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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On January 15 2020 13:38 BerserkSword wrote: Man maybe New Yorkers like me and Bernie really do have a different sense of manners lol. I didnt see anything unfriendly about what Bernie did. He didnt look phased or frustrated at all imo. Just your average "dont worry about it ill see ya later" kinda gesture. I also dont think Warren rejected handshake. More like she was focused on something else. I'm from NY too  it has nothing to do with understanding gestures haha. Why was he pointing fingers, talking sternly and walked away from her and tom while they were trying to talk to him. He was pissed and so was she (for some reason)EDIT: Ah ok | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On January 15 2020 13:22 GreenHorizons wrote: Here's the clip so people can have something to work with: + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/sluggahjells/status/1217298629154803713 Steyers face is priceless, he's got an interview coming asking what he heard I imagine Warren will shortly announce Naniwa and Zenio as campaign advisers | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On January 15 2020 13:41 BerserkSword wrote: Edit: OK after watching GreenHorizon's clip instead of the CNN rewind....maybe there was a hint of frustration in Bernie lmao Can you link it | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On January 15 2020 13:39 TentativePanda wrote: Also, the bias from CNN is absolutely nuts. Both focusing on the warren/bernie thing and then assuming warren is right is nuts. And the thing that drives me crazy the most is when they say Bernie hurt Hillarys campaign. Like wtf she basically got a sabotage favor from the DNC and media to discredit Bernie, she was the destructive one Shoutout to the CNN analyst in the postgame who said that this made Bernie look bad because he forgot this wasn't a he said/she said, it was a reported story. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
https://twitter.com/sluggahjells/status/1217298629154803713?s=20 From Green Horizon's post last page in case my link doesnt work for some reason. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23228 Posts
On January 15 2020 13:44 Nebuchad wrote: Shoutout to the CNN analyst in the postgame who said that this made Bernie look bad because if he forgot this wasn't a he said/she said, it was a reported story. I hadn't realized until somewhat recently just how oblivious these folks are to how they are perceived outside of their cocktail crowds. They've convinced themselves Twitter isn't real rather than it just being a particularly vocal segment of the younger population, but not entirely disconnected from the general population of the US. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On January 15 2020 13:44 Nebuchad wrote: Shoutout to the CNN analyst in the postgame who said that this made Bernie look bad because he forgot this wasn't a he said/she said, it was a reported story. BRO lmao. She was annoying me pre-debate too. Even Anderson Cooper had to call her out and be like "it actually *is* a he said she said moment" | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On January 15 2020 13:47 GreenHorizons wrote: I hadn't realized until somewhat recently just how oblivious these folks are to how they are perceived outside of their cocktail crowds. They've convinced themselves Twitter isn't real rather than it just being a particularly vocal segment of the younger population, but not entirely disconnected from the general population of the US. Yeah I'm on the fence about whether they are oblivious or just that invested in warping public opinion to what they want it to be | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On January 15 2020 14:08 BerserkSword wrote: well, steyer didn't spill the beans lol Was he asked? | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
Yes. He was shown the clip and asked what was said lmao. He said "I dont know, I didn't really hear, it was awkward, so I wanted to say goodnight and get out of there ASAP. I think they were talking about getting together or something." paraphrased of course | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On January 15 2020 09:08 farvacola wrote: There are numerous reasons to conclude the opposite, that things are bad and getting worse for a significant number of people across the shrinking middle class and lower class. 7 year car loans are being given regularly, the high risk personal loan market is booming without much check in sight, and iirc at least some measures of mobility suggest that shifting between classes is harder now than it has been decades. Real wage growth, especially when it takes student loan debt into account and sets off the inflationary effect of benefits-as-income, is fairly bad and has been for a while now. Conservative economic think tanks think they’ve got a good argument when they insist that any measure of real wages must include face value benefits numbers, which evens out the difference between productivity and wage gains, but this tack totally fails to address the economic impact of paying workers in benefits instead of cash. That impact includes what I like to call a “race to the top” problem in which the benefits industry, primarily health insurance, is encouraged to seek high rents from employer funded sources, which then leads to inflated provider prices that push out from the market many of the folks who need health insurance where an employer is not involved. All of this is to say that economic intuitions point in contradicting directions at present I don't think any of that matters until a recession hits. Most people don't think that deeply about it. They just look at their checks and what they can buy and compare their yearly income to last year. Car leases have never been more popular, so car loans are an afterthought. And most of those trends were just as bad or worse from 2011-2016. I actually think mobility is as vigorous as its been in a long time but feel free to show me where I'm wrong on that. When a recession hits and the Airbnb petty mogul real estate bubble pops and people can't afford to bring Uber Eats to their door every night because they lost their job then we can talk about how fragile the economy is. Until then I think most people see it as good times right now. More than a decade without a recession and pay checks going up. | ||
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Yurie
11833 Posts
On January 15 2020 14:37 IgnE wrote: I don't think any of that matters until a recession hits. Most people don't think that deeply about it. They just look at their checks and what they can buy and compare their yearly income to last year. Car leases have never been more popular, so car loans are an afterthought. And most of those trends were just as bad or worse from 2011-2016. I actually think mobility is as vigorous as its been in a long time but feel free to show me where I'm wrong on that. When a recession hits and the Airbnb petty mogul real estate bubble pops and people can't afford to bring Uber Eats to their door every night because they lost their job then we can talk about how fragile the economy is. Until then I think most people see it as good times right now. More than a decade without a recession and pay checks going up. Yup, in the last year the US got back above its previous year 2000 peak in median household income (inflation adjusted). So it is looking good. Though any recession will cut it back down. Though looking at the bottom 3/4:th its been more or less flat since the 60's. Not sure if it is 100% accurate but it is what I found: https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2019/11/26/u-s-household-incomes-a-50-year-perspective https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Real_median_US_household_income_through_2018.png | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On January 15 2020 11:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Based on that bullshit debate skirmish between Warren and Sanders, I'm officially voting for Sanders over Warren now. That's some ridiculous moderator bias + Warren making a last ditch effort by misrepresenting statistics. I'm disappointed, Warren. I'd been going back and forth between the two for months now, and this tips the scales big time for me. Good for you, I've always been pretty firmly in the Bernie camp, but at times Warren had won my heart as well. My hope is that they fix this garbage between themselves, because I don't think either one can win without the others supporters... I was hoping Warren understood that, Sanders proved in 2016 he could be the adult in the room. Sadly, Warren appears confused to me... like a hurt dog biting the wrong person. I hope a lot of people are seeing that stuff for what it is... bullshit. Anyone calling Sanders sexist is just a fucking moron, and a lier. For the record, I don't really think Warren is behind this as much as either she has shitty advisers and cnn is really just trying to force a fight between them. Which is all about ratings and money. cnn has always shit on sanders... I think they would lose money with Warren or Sanders in office. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On January 15 2020 12:13 mierin wrote: I wish I had the balls to not vote D no matter what this election. Establishment democrats sicken me almost as much as Trump. Make sure you caucus! This is our best chance at getting a real progressive in the White House. Only time in my lifetime. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
The day before the debate, cnn ran a story which stated that Sanders said a woman couldn't win in 2020. They ran the article to pit the two against each other. In the article is says that Sanders said it directly to Warren, which is a bunch of drama, and likely bullshit. Sanders outright denies it, Warren won't comment. It's all cnn setting up drama for their own debate and ratings. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On January 15 2020 12:22 KlaCkoN wrote: Quoting you, but really for any Euro in the thread: Why do you have such a strong preference for Sanders over Warren? Like they both sound identical to me - like 80s social democrats. Some version of socialized education, some version of socialized medicine, taxation on wealth rather than just income, blah blah. I alternate between voting left and social democrats when I vote in Sweden (I live in the US), and I just can't bring myself to care about whatever people call the differences between them. Bernie's campaign is also run almost or entirely on individual contributions from people... In other words, there is no way he is bought by any special interest. Warren, it's unclear to me, but someone must have given her money... and in America that means you "owe" them. Also Sanders was already well established in 2016 from his previous run. Not too long after that he was named the most popular politician in America. He has a lot of energy behind him. I feel like Warren is Sanders lite. She could be right there with him, but I don't think she is right now. User was warned for this post: do not quadruple post | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21678 Posts
On January 15 2020 12:22 Sermokala wrote: Didn't watch the debate so I might be missing specific context but importing drugs from overseas has issues with reliability, the Netherlands is actually looking into producing more drugs locally because of supply issues leading to occasional shortages.This is bizzare. Why would the government manufacture drugs when they can just import them from overseas? When your kickstarter is a few weeks late because of issues in China that's a minor annoyance, when it happens with medication it can be a big issue. On January 15 2020 13:52 TentativePanda wrote: They know, a bunch of people work for them with their sole job being to know what plays so they can play off of that. CNN set itself the goal of pitting Sanders against Warren and so simply created the story to give themselves fodder for the debate. Yeah I'm on the fence about whether they are oblivious or just that invested in warping public opinion to what they want it to be I was sceptical of that before but hearing about how obviously biased and set up it was in the debate convinces me. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25307 Posts
Or any variation thereof really. She can put her talking points out there without looking disingenuous and disloyal to a long-term colleague and fellow progressive. It made her look bad here and it made the moderator look even worse. Good grief the media sometimes. They’ll let people off the hook with softball questions when their comments are verifiably on the record and phrase questions referring to unverified gossip as if they’re gospel. | ||
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