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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
I like how Biden mentions 'I did that / It was me/ I was there' on every subject. He still has trouble with stumbling or breaking off sentences a lot though. Not sure why Steyer does the camera lens stare like this. They are steering to some Warren/Sanders drama. "Senator Warren, why is Sanders wrong?' Before she could even say if she agreed or disagreed with Sanders statement lol. Bernie looks good and fired up Are they really required to call Buttigieg 'major 'every time? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23295 Posts
lol Steyer piling on Warren, Biden, and Pete for supporting trade deals ignoring climate change. | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
AFIAK Bernie is the only one against it on the stage, which is pretty bold since it's got some big support. A lot (not all) of big unions support it. Seems like it will help certain sectors of the US economy, have some unclear effects in other sectors from what I can tell. This is the best debate I've seen so far. Good questions on foreign policy and the economy. Hold up getting into Warren Sanders | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12262 Posts
- I didn't. - Elizabeth Warren, how did you feel when Bernie said the bad thing? What the actual fuck... | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23295 Posts
On January 15 2020 11:47 Nebuchad wrote: - Bernie Sanders, why did you say the bad thing? - I didn't. - Elizabeth Warren, how did you feel when Bernie said the bad thing? What the actual fuck... Yeah, uh, that was... incredible? | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
Yeah, that moderator was so obviously pro-Warren. | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44598 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
I feel like I heard the audience kind of gasp at that bullshit | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
'How would you keep your plans from bankrupting the country?' ??? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12262 Posts
On January 15 2020 12:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: The phrasing on these healthcare questions are so negative on Sanders from the start wtf 'How would you keep your plans from bankrupting the country?' ??? Going mask off against social democracy. | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
On January 15 2020 12:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: The phrasing on these healthcare questions are so negative on Sanders from the start wtf 'How would you keep your plans from bankrupting the country?' ??? I'll give it to you they put Bernie on the back foot. But It's not entirely unwarranted. His plan is ridiculously expensive relative to the field and he has transparency issues with how it's going to be paid for and at times seems out of touch with the consequences that spending 30 trillion on his plan will have. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12262 Posts
On January 15 2020 12:06 Gorgonoth wrote: I'll give it to you they put Bernie on the back foot. But It's not entirely unwarranted. His plan is ridiculously expensive relative to the field and he has transparency issues with how it's going to be paid for and at times seems out of touch with the consequences that spending 30 trillion on his plan will have. Rewatch his answer. The first thing he said was that the 30 trillion are also going to get spent under the current system: you can't logically argue that he's not being transparent without arguing that all the plans that intend to keep the system also lack transparency. You can attack the notion that it will cost less or the same, I don't know for a fact that it's true, but they aren't attacking the notion, they're just flat out saying that he isn't answering a question that he answered. This leads me to believe it btw, cause if it wasn't true that his plan would save money, they would absolutely be attacking him on that instead of lying about him not answering. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15713 Posts
On January 15 2020 11:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Based on that bullshit debate skirmish between Warren and Sanders, I'm officially voting for Sanders over Warren now. That's some ridiculous moderator bias + Warren making a last ditch effort by misrepresenting statistics. I'm disappointed, Warren. I'd been going back and forth between the two for months now, and this tips the scales big time for me. Can you elaborate? Missed that | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Strongly suspect that Warren is playing off the relative unpopularity of Sanders amongst women voters and questionable narrative that he is a misogynist with that BS story. I don't know what DPB means but I just don't buy, I suspect it's a dishonest, strategic move by Warren and it makes me distrust her. | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
On January 15 2020 12:11 Nebuchad wrote: Rewatch his answer. The first thing he said was that the 30 trillion are also going to get spent under the current system: you can't logically argue that he's not being transparent without arguing that all the plans that intend to keep the system also lack transparency. You can attack the notion that it will cost less or the same, I don't know for a fact that it's true, but they aren't attacking the notion, they're just flat out saying that he isn't answering a question that he answered. This leads me to believe it btw, cause if it wasn't true that his plan would save money, they would absolutely be attacking him on that instead of lying about him not answering. What I mean by having transparency issues with it is him skirting around the fact that he will be increasing taxes heavily to pay for his plan. Biden and others have had to hammer that out of him in previous debates at least. This is to be expected, no one expects a candidate to put their least popular part of a plan forward first. Maybe I missed it, but I've heard Sanders admit many times that his plan costs more. I mean a it's hard to imagine a 30+ trillion dollar plan actually costing the same as Joe's Obamacare 2.0. Also, not sure if you watched the other debates but it's literally Joe's entire attack (that it costs too much) on Sanders every time, same from Pete, Klobuchar and others in the past. EDIT: Think I misunderstood what you said about them attacking him on lying. In previous debates, I recall exchanges with Joe calling him out on "lying" with regards to his healthcare plans. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13984 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On January 15 2020 12:18 Djzapz wrote: Strongly suspect that Warren is playing off the relative unpopularity of Sanders amongst women voters and questionable narrative that he is a misogynist with that BS story. I don't know what DPB means but I just don't buy, I suspect it's a dishonest, strategic move by Warren and it makes me distrust her. It was 95% this type of move. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On January 15 2020 11:47 Nebuchad wrote: - Bernie Sanders, why did you say the bad thing? - I didn't. - Elizabeth Warren, how did you feel when Bernie said the bad thing? What the actual fuck... Quoting you, but really for any Euro in the thread: Why do you have such a strong preference for Sanders over Warren? Like they both sound identical to me - like 80s social democrats. Some version of socialized education, some version of socialized medicine, taxation on wealth rather than just income, blah blah. I alternate between voting left and social democrats when I vote in Sweden (I live in the US), and I just can't bring myself to care about whatever people call the differences between them. | ||
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