US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2023

On January 15 2020 00:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Bernie's sudden surge is funny because I think a lot of people were convincing themselves they could settle for Warren for a bit. Eventually, I and others have settled on "actually, fucking give me Bernie or give me death".

On January 15 2020 00:58 plated.rawr wrote:

And this is how Trump wins again.

On January 15 2020 00:58 plated.rawr wrote:

And this is how Trump wins again.

On January 15 2020 00:58 plated.rawr wrote:

And this is how Trump wins again.

On January 15 2020 01:05 Nebuchad wrote:


Why?

So am i the only one expecting this Warren-Sanders woman thing to be an attempt at turning their respective bases hostile to each other? When Warrens-supporters hate Bernie and visa versa, the result is less votes for the eventual candidate whoever it ends up being. Only Trump wins when democrat voters stay home rather than voting for the second best their team could field.

Warrens, Sanders, whatever. Get Trump out of the white house, take control of the Senate, and have him answer for his life of crime.

Edit: autocovfefe

On January 15 2020 01:08 plated.rawr wrote:

Context:

On January 15 2020 01:08 plated.rawr wrote:

Context:


Edit: please, be enthusiastic for your candidate, please work toward actual change than more status quo. But leave your juvenile sense of self-entitlement at the door even if your preferred racing horse isnt the one going to the Grand finale - like in 2016, theres so much more at stake than your pride.

On January 15 2020 01:08 plated.rawr wrote:

Context:

On January 15 2020 01:11 Mohdoo wrote:


You know who "hated" Trump supporters? Cruz and Kasich supporters. You know who overwhelmingly voted for Trump? Cruz and Kasich supporters. Also, [citation needed] regarding warren/bernie supporters hating each other. It's just not true.

So am i the only one expecting this Warren-Sanders woman thing to be an attempt at turning their respective bases hostile to each other? When Warrens-supporters hate Bernie and visa versa, the result is less votes for the eventual candidate whoever it ends up being. Only Trump wins when democrat voters stay home rather than voting for the second best their team could field.

Warrens, Sanders, whatever. Get Trump out of the white house, take control of the Senate, and have him answer for his life of crime.

Edit: autocovfefe

On January 15 2020 01:19 plated.rawr wrote:

If the republican voters have one defining strength that democrats lack, its eyes on the core goal - a president aligned to their interests. They vote Trump because in their mind, any democrat would be over all worse.

Apply the same logic, swallow your pride and do your civic duty - anyone not Trump is an improvement over Trump.

As for Warren/Sandnes, again, context:

Again, the point is not to give to entusiasm or let the core-rotten democratic party to unassailed. However, at the end of it all, when it's time to vote for Trump or for anyone else - do your civic duty and vote.

On January 15 2020 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:


I think this reasoning is poor because, personally, I'd benefit a lot more by cynically supporting Trump than standing on principle and not voting for someone worse than Sanders.

The argument is told to Sanders supporters but really it more aptly applies to establishment candidate supporters.

On January 15 2020 01:18 Nebuchad wrote:


It's fairly easy to tell that the people who convinced you of this are weaponizing language. Every stat we have shows that if it's the "centrist" liberal that loses, more of their supporters flock to the rightwinger than if it's the leftist that loses. If these people were really worried about reelecting Trump so much, they'd focus on liberals that might run to him, not on social democrats, as that is a much larger threat. Just go on the Twitter feed of liberals who hate Bernie and you will see a bunch of answers by people who swear they'll never vote for him or that "they plan to vote blue no matter who but he makes them want to reconsider", stuff like that. The fact that they don't focus on this threat, the fact that they never did and never will, shows that this isn't really a concern that they have, it's just an argument that they use.

On January 15 2020 01:24 Mohdoo wrote:



Since I did a poor job at conveying it: Give me Bernie or give me death, in the primary.

But let me be clear, even if Bernie loses in the primary, I am still willing to vote for Danny Devito if the party makes that decision at the convention.

On January 15 2020 01:37 plated.rawr wrote:
I do not consume too much English political discourse aside from this thread. If you feel my language is weaponized, you're probably a part of the cause.

On January 15 2020 01:37 plated.rawr wrote:

By juvenile entitlement i do not mean purely of financial gains, but more so that because you have strong political leanings and have worked hard for your race horse that this somehow means your horse is entitled a place in the finale.

Hard work does not neccessarily result in worthwile payoff. Those that deserve to win, do not neccessarily do so.

Therefore, bet on the horse you've got in the Grand finale, not the one you'd wish you had.


I do not consume too much English political discourse aside from this thread. If you feel my language is weaponized, you're probably a part of the cause.

On January 15 2020 01:41 Nebuchad wrote:


Okay so why do you think it is that you're immediately jumping on a leftist who expresses strong preference for Bernie, but you'd never see a Biden supporter and think "there's a decent chance that they'd vote for Trump if Sanders won, I should call them out on this"?