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On November 26 2019 22:59 Gorgonoth wrote: Morning Consult poll taken after the debate has Biden at 30, Sanders at 21, Warren at 15, and Buttigeg at 9. Morning Consult has had Biden at 32 for months now, so a slight dip for him, but I think the most notable change is Warren's steady slide every week now since late October when she was at 20%. Of course we need 2-5 more polls post debate to get a feel for its actual effect, but I think we could be seeing a Sanders v Biden as the front-runners as Warren loses support. Buttigeg winning Iowa and NH is of course still in play, which hurts Sanders who did very well in these states over Clinton.
Morning Consult has a massive sample size, regularly their polls surpass 15,000. For comparison Emerson, Ipsos, Yougov, and Monmouth rarely crack a thousand. Its certainly good to see changing trends among a much more significant test group.
And an absolutely absurd aberration from Quinnipiac just showed up as well on that same site, with Buttigieg not only getting double-digits, but somehow doubling his normal support rate and surpassing both Sanders and Warren, which makes no sense. That poll says: "Biden 24, Sanders 13, Warren 14, Buttigieg 16", but that can't possibly be true o.O Up until now, Buttigieg has been solidly at 4-10% over the past month, being pretty much alone in a second tier (as Harris falls down into the low tier, where everyone else is), significantly below the Big Three. Thoughts on this pro-Pete poll?
In an unexpected move /s Trump now distances himself from Giuliani, saying he never directed him to go to Ukraine and that Giuliani has other clients and that you should ask Giuliani what he was doing there. Giuliani of course has said many times he was working for his client Trump there...
On November 27 2019 12:55 Starlightsun wrote: Isn't that her third time on his show?
She was on 6 months ago and it got 2.6 million views and a year ago which got 1.5 million views. Dunno why the internet and fox news keeps her trending all the time while she has 1% popularity.
On November 27 2019 12:55 Starlightsun wrote: Isn't that her third time on his show?
She was on 6 months ago and it got 2.6 million views and a year ago which got 1.5 million views. Dunno why the internet and fox news keeps her trending all the time while she has 1% popularity.
Because she's a looker. People fawn over those who are deemed "beautiful" and whether you agree or not, she is certainly that.
On November 27 2019 11:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: In an unexpected move /s Trump now distances himself from Giuliani, saying he never directed him to go to Ukraine and that Giuliani has other clients and that you should ask Giuliani what he was doing there. Giuliani of course has said many times he was working for his client Trump there...
It's sad that history books will never be able to convey how crazy this president is.
On November 27 2019 11:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: In an unexpected move /s Trump now distances himself from Giuliani, saying he never directed him to go to Ukraine and that Giuliani has other clients and that you should ask Giuliani what he was doing there. Giuliani of course has said many times he was working for his client Trump there...
It's sad that history books will never be able to convey how crazy this president is.
I think they will. People in a hundred years will look at it as one of those bizarre, extravagant moment in history when countries puts their destiny in the hand of idiots and grotesque crooks. Has happened before, will happen again.
One thing is certain, Trump will be remembered, and will remain as one of the extraordinary presidents. I don't know if the average Joe will know who was Bill Clinton in 2119, but he will most probably know that the US voters elected a complete moron at one point whose name was Donald Trump.
On November 27 2019 11:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: In an unexpected move /s Trump now distances himself from Giuliani, saying he never directed him to go to Ukraine and that Giuliani has other clients and that you should ask Giuliani what he was doing there. Giuliani of course has said many times he was working for his client Trump there...
It's sad that history books will never be able to convey how crazy this president is.
Oh I predict some memoirs to come out that reveal that reality is even worse then we now think it is.
On November 27 2019 11:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: In an unexpected move /s Trump now distances himself from Giuliani, saying he never directed him to go to Ukraine and that Giuliani has other clients and that you should ask Giuliani what he was doing there. Giuliani of course has said many times he was working for his client Trump there...
It's sad that history books will never be able to convey how crazy this president is.
Oh I predict some memoirs to come out that reveal that reality is even worse then we now think it is.
It’s one thing to read about it, it’s another to live it. Surreal times we live in. Definitely agree with your prediction 100%
On November 27 2019 11:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: In an unexpected move /s Trump now distances himself from Giuliani, saying he never directed him to go to Ukraine and that Giuliani has other clients and that you should ask Giuliani what he was doing there. Giuliani of course has said many times he was working for his client Trump there...
It's sad that history books will never be able to convey how crazy this president is.
I think they will. People in a hundred years will look at it as one of those bizarre, extravagant moment in history when countries puts their destiny in the hand of idiots and grotesque crooks. Has happened before, will happen again.
One thing is certain, Trump will be remembered, and will remain as one of the extraordinary presidents. I don't know if the average Joe will know who was Bill Clinton in 2119, but he will most probably know that the US voters elected a complete moron at one point whose name was Donald Trump.
To be honest, it'd be a huge relief to know we even make it to 2119.
The future will look back and see it as one of two ways. Either they will look back and see it as a time when in a fit of collective madness, elected a most despicable, corrupt president who lies and the rest of the populace and political machinery manages to fight back and rule of law is restored, or due to that the Republican party see nothing wrong with abusing state power for political power, it'll be seen as the birth of one party rule, a most glorious revolution that still control the country today.
This impeachment proceeding is a crossroad. The next election is a crossroad. 2020 will decide whether USA will slide towards autocracy or can retain democracy. There is no guarantee whatsoever that in 100 years Americans will look back and think Trump presidency was insane.
That Trump is a comical cartoon villian distracts from the serious threat to democracy that he is and distracts from why the impeachment is so important. The Democrats have no choice but to try to impeach Trump, to go out there and say that abusing the power of the state to be directed at political opponents is reprehensible, regardless of whether the population thinks supports impeachment or not, because if they don't even fight against such an obvious breach of political freedom that is one of the basis of democratic rights, they will be next.
On November 28 2019 00:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The future will look back and see it as one of two ways. Either they will look back and see it as a time when in a fit of collective madness, elected a most despicable, corrupt president who lies and the rest of the populace and political machinery manages to fight back and rule of law is restored, or due to that the Republican party see nothing wrong with abusing state power for political power, it'll be seen as the birth of one party rule, a most glorious revolution that still control the country today.
This impeachment proceeding is a crossroad. The next election is a crossroad. 2020 will decide whether USA will slide towards autocracy or can retain democracy. There is no guarantee whatsoever that in 100 years Americans will look back and think Trump presidency was insane.
That Trump is a comical cartoon villian distracts from the serious threat to democracy that he is and distracts from why the impeachment is so important. The Democrats have no choice but to try to impeach Trump, to go out there and say that abusing the power of the state to be directed at political opponents is reprehensible, regardless of whether the population thinks supports impeachment or not, because if they don't even fight against such an obvious breach of political freedom that is one of the basis of democratic rights, they will be next.
I agree with you and the ending of your last paragraph. It's even harder when you get those who only see it as a waste of time because the system itself is defunct and nothing will fundamentally change. So they roam around to either distract, obfuscate, or mislead others.When you have a group of people at the minimum trying to do something right and they still can't get any support, then the populace at large has only itself to blame for the fall.
On November 28 2019 00:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The future will look back and see it as one of two ways. Either they will look back and see it as a time when in a fit of collective madness, elected a most despicable, corrupt president who lies and the rest of the populace and political machinery manages to fight back and rule of law is restored, or due to that the Republican party see nothing wrong with abusing state power for political power, it'll be seen as the birth of one party rule, a most glorious revolution that still control the country today.
This impeachment proceeding is a crossroad. The next election is a crossroad. 2020 will decide whether USA will slide towards autocracy or can retain democracy. There is no guarantee whatsoever that in 100 years Americans will look back and think Trump presidency was insane.
That Trump is a comical cartoon villian distracts from the serious threat to democracy that he is and distracts from why the impeachment is so important. The Democrats have no choice but to try to impeach Trump, to go out there and say that abusing the power of the state to be directed at political opponents is reprehensible, regardless of whether the population thinks supports impeachment or not, because if they don't even fight against such an obvious breach of political freedom that is one of the basis of democratic rights, they will be next.
To that point I don't think it's quite appreciated how big a deal the Navy Seal thing is. It was a sort of gauntlet laying for the military. Police overwhelmingly support Trump, so there's no need for one there.
Trump basically sided with a war criminal over the Seals that reported him and the superior officers/jury who were essentially letting him off with a slap on the wrist. People should probably be more terrified by what that portends. Particularly since the military has seen increasing numbers of these types of incidents.
On November 28 2019 00:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The future will look back and see it as one of two ways. Either they will look back and see it as a time when in a fit of collective madness, elected a most despicable, corrupt president who lies and the rest of the populace and political machinery manages to fight back and rule of law is restored, or due to that the Republican party see nothing wrong with abusing state power for political power, it'll be seen as the birth of one party rule, a most glorious revolution that still control the country today.
This impeachment proceeding is a crossroad. The next election is a crossroad. 2020 will decide whether USA will slide towards autocracy or can retain democracy. There is no guarantee whatsoever that in 100 years Americans will look back and think Trump presidency was insane.
That Trump is a comical cartoon villian distracts from the serious threat to democracy that he is and distracts from why the impeachment is so important. The Democrats have no choice but to try to impeach Trump, to go out there and say that abusing the power of the state to be directed at political opponents is reprehensible, regardless of whether the population thinks supports impeachment or not, because if they don't even fight against such an obvious breach of political freedom that is one of the basis of democratic rights, they will be next.
To that point I don't think it's quite appreciated how big a deal the Navy Seal thing is. It was a sort of gauntlet laying for the military. Police overwhelmingly support Trump, so there's no need for one there.
Trump basically sided with a war criminal over the Seals that reported him and the superior officers/jury who were essentially letting him off with a slap on the wrist. People should probably be more terrified by what that portends. Particularly since the military has seen increasing numbers of these types of incidents.
Perhaps you will in a few decades have a fully civilized army, just as Japan did in WW2. You just have a different meaning for the word, as the two sides had at that time. Just now removed by time instead of nation and cultural background.
On November 27 2019 11:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: In an unexpected move /s Trump now distances himself from Giuliani, saying he never directed him to go to Ukraine and that Giuliani has other clients and that you should ask Giuliani what he was doing there. Giuliani of course has said many times he was working for his client Trump there...
It's sad that history books will never be able to convey how crazy this president is.
It's going to be interesting to read those books. Imagine trying to choose what to quote when the president now tweets 1000 times a day and in 3rd grader language. You'd have to sift through all the tweet and facebook crap of the people against/supporting him too. It always amazes me how historians are able to pour over vast amounts of source material, but now with the internet I'd think it would become overwhelming.
On November 27 2019 11:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: In an unexpected move /s Trump now distances himself from Giuliani, saying he never directed him to go to Ukraine and that Giuliani has other clients and that you should ask Giuliani what he was doing there. Giuliani of course has said many times he was working for his client Trump there...
It's sad that history books will never be able to convey how crazy this president is.
It's going to be interesting to read those books. Imagine trying to choose what to quote when the president now tweets 1000 times a day and in 3rd grader language. You'd have to sift through all the tweet and facebook crap of the people against/supporting him too. It always amazes me how historians are able to pour over vast amounts of source material, but now with the internet I'd think it would become overwhelming.
Think it would have to be a group effort. Check each tweet, what impact it had on discourse and then if it had any actual impact on things actually happening. If both are low put it in the bottom of the list and never look at it again. The 10/10 scores after you know more about their actual impacts you pick among. With perhaps another scale of how ludicrous they are just to add in that you can laugh about history as well.
Now that Giuliani's under the bus the last few people who haven't joined the bus crew and are implicated in ukraine are Pompeo, Pence and Perry from what I recall.
It's going to be a pretty interesting time with Giuliani and seeing if he drags everyone else under the bus with him since trump's disavowed directing Rudy to extort the ukraine
On November 26 2019 22:59 Gorgonoth wrote: Morning Consult poll taken after the debate has Biden at 30, Sanders at 21, Warren at 15, and Buttigeg at 9. Morning Consult has had Biden at 32 for months now, so a slight dip for him, but I think the most notable change is Warren's steady slide every week now since late October when she was at 20%. Of course we need 2-5 more polls post debate to get a feel for its actual effect, but I think we could be seeing a Sanders v Biden as the front-runners as Warren loses support. Buttigeg winning Iowa and NH is of course still in play, which hurts Sanders who did very well in these states over Clinton.
Morning Consult has a massive sample size, regularly their polls surpass 15,000. For comparison Emerson, Ipsos, Yougov, and Monmouth rarely crack a thousand. Its certainly good to see changing trends among a much more significant test group.
And an absolutely absurd aberration from Quinnipiac just showed up as well on that same site, with Buttigieg not only getting double-digits, but somehow doubling his normal support rate and surpassing both Sanders and Warren, which makes no sense. That poll says: "Biden 24, Sanders 13, Warren 14, Buttigieg 16", but that can't possibly be true o.O Up until now, Buttigieg has been solidly at 4-10% over the past month, being pretty much alone in a second tier (as Harris falls down into the low tier, where everyone else is), significantly below the Big Three. Thoughts on this pro-Pete poll?
I think the Pete surge is for real. We've seen a number of polls to show that confirm that he is indeed trending upwards nationally, and doing very well in Iowa+ NH. The RCP average has him up 5.7 in Iowa and 3 in NH.
(RCP doesn't have a couple polls which buttress the Quinnipac Pete national polling boost, Two CNN polls and YouGov have him at 11,12 and 17 nationally)
New Hampshire is looking ridiculously close, not that Iowa couldn't change in a week either. It's still very much in play for four candidates.
It seems like when ever any candidate starts trending upward, they get an increased round of scrutiny, (see Kamala and Warren.) Buttigeg really didn't get challenged too much this debate which surprised me, I expect the December debate to be an attempted kneecapping of Pete.
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