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right, totally comparable to what Trump has 'allegedly' done...
Also Hunter Biden and Joe Biden are shockingly not the same person. His son enjoying butt stuff doesn't disqualify Biden from being President (he can do that through his own actions and policies well enough). Nor does it even disqualify Hunter himself.
Hunter Biden allegedly asked a strip club employee go out to buy him a sex toy that strippers then used on him at a Manhattan club.
This week shocking reports emerged accusing Biden of frequenting two Washington D.C. strip clubs where he met Lunden Roberts, the woman who sued Hunter Biden over the paternity of her child.
Biden also allegedly visited Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club NYC in Manhattan two times about a year ago, where he spent several thousand dollars and on one occasion sent an employee out to buy a dildo for strippers to use on him, according to a new Page Six report.
During both trips to the club, Biden and a female companion reportedly got a private room where they ordered bottles of alcohol and were joined by several strippers.
On one of those nights, workers suspected Biden was high and staff reportedly warned him that drugs weren't allowed on the premises.
That same night Biden allegedly sent a club worker out to purchase a dildo so the strippers could use it on him, a Page Six source reported.
'He was a pretty nice guy,' one source said. 'He was pretty friendly and a pretty good tipper.'
The news comes as it was revealed that Biden fathered a love child with a stripper named Lunden Roberts, also known by the stage name 'Dallas', who worked at The Mpire Gentlemen's Club in Washington D.C.
Biden allegedly frequented that club after dating his late brother's widow.
'He was well-known,' a source told Page Six of Biden, the son of democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
DailyMail.com revealed that Biden is the father of the Arkansas woman's child after obtaining court records.
How Joe Biden is still the front runner is beyond me.
Not a fan of Joe Biden, but i also really dislike that attack.
Firstly, i don't think what Hunter Biden does is very relevant to what Joe Biden does.
Secondly, this clearly aims at the evangelical right and the general idea that sex is bad. If someone wants to pay strippers to use a dildo on them, why is that horribly bad? The only problem i see here were if he were married and cheating on his wife. But since this claims it happened "after dating his late brother's widow.", which according to Hunter Bidens wikipedia is a point in his life when he was not married.
That whole piece just looks like an attempt at character assassination by proximity. It details a lot of things that people think are bad for some reason or another (strippers, sex, dildos, people using dildos on men, dating brothers widow, drugs, alcohol), links those to Hunter Biden, and then links that to Joe Biden.
I don't think that sort of mudslinging is a good thing. If you want to attack a presidential candidates, talk about them, or even better, about their policy. Don't dig deep into their family to find any sex stuff you can find, and pull that into the open.
Hunter Biden allegedly asked a strip club employee go out to buy him a sex toy that strippers then used on him at a Manhattan club.
This week shocking reports emerged accusing Biden of frequenting two Washington D.C. strip clubs where he met Lunden Roberts, the woman who sued Hunter Biden over the paternity of her child.
Biden also allegedly visited Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club NYC in Manhattan two times about a year ago, where he spent several thousand dollars and on one occasion sent an employee out to buy a dildo for strippers to use on him, according to a new Page Six report.
During both trips to the club, Biden and a female companion reportedly got a private room where they ordered bottles of alcohol and were joined by several strippers.
On one of those nights, workers suspected Biden was high and staff reportedly warned him that drugs weren't allowed on the premises.
That same night Biden allegedly sent a club worker out to purchase a dildo so the strippers could use it on him, a Page Six source reported.
'He was a pretty nice guy,' one source said. 'He was pretty friendly and a pretty good tipper.'
The news comes as it was revealed that Biden fathered a love child with a stripper named Lunden Roberts, also known by the stage name 'Dallas', who worked at The Mpire Gentlemen's Club in Washington D.C.
Biden allegedly frequented that club after dating his late brother's widow.
'He was well-known,' a source told Page Six of Biden, the son of democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
DailyMail.com revealed that Biden is the father of the Arkansas woman's child after obtaining court records.
How Joe Biden is still the front runner is beyond me.
You sound like someone who doesn't know what a prostate is But the article is targeting a certain branch of the american population successfully it seems.
On November 28 2019 23:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: also, I have the impression that some are only popular if you disassociate them from the tax increase necessary to fund them.
Like, taxing the fuck out of billionaires so they stop being billionaires is an independent goal for me. But that's not how you fund education or universal health care or the other attractive elements of a scandinavian social democratic society, that's done through higher income taxes across the board, or stuff like VAT.
Sanders and Warren have tried to explain that the net cost of these things would go down for the average American, because an increase in taxes would be offset by the lack of premiums and other healthcare-related fees that we currently have to pay. Sadly, many Americans stop listening when they hear "taxes would go up" and don't wait 10 more seconds to hear "but overall you'll pay less, and that's what matters financially".
I'm just curious what role you see liberal media outlets playing in that?
Hm, that's a good question. I think if most moderate/ left-leaning media outlets had to choose between a moderate candidate/ idea (Biden, Buttigieg, Medicare for "All who want it", keeping private insurance as an option) or a more progressive candidate/ idea, they would prefer the baby steps of the former, so I'd imagine that they wouldn't go out of their way to fully clarify the pro arguments for a progressive agenda, and focus mainly on either the con arguments of the progressive agenda or the pro arguments for the more moderate middle plan. I think they would prefer this because I'd imagine that most large corporations are uneasy when it comes to revolutionary ideas and radical changes, and Sanders and Warren haven't exactly been using rhetoric that sounds supportive of big influencers, one-percenters, big business, etc.
On November 28 2019 22:38 Nebuchad wrote: The best strategy for liberals right now is most likely to just go after Trump. Liberalism is very unpopular right now, they don't have much appeal in terms of policies.
I think that some of the moderate liberal candidates, like Biden and Buttigieg, have benefited from just dialing back the "extreme progressivism" on the policy positions that progressive candidates, like Sanders and Warren, have proposed. For example, Sanders and Warren want true M4A, and then Biden and Buttigieg retaliate with "Whoa that would cost too much and people need to choose whatever they want," which completely misrepresents both of those situations (cost and freedom) but it resonates with most voters who haven't looked into the situation. It's the kind of rhetoric that makes it sound like the moderate liberals are coming up with their own new positions, instead of just straddling between the status quo and true progress.
On November 28 2019 22:59 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On November 28 2019 22:38 Nebuchad wrote: The best strategy for liberals right now is most likely to just go after Trump. Liberalism is very unpopular right now, they don't have much appeal in terms of policies.
No idea where this take came from. Most Democratic policies are quite popular with the electorate.
My guess is that he's semantically differentiating between moderate no-real-change positions and actual progressivism, although it would be useful to know which policies he thinks are unpopular. Even the moderates want to legalize/ decriminalize marijuna, do something about guns, support women's rights, seriously address climate change, etc., all of which have amazing support.
Okay but again it's mostly a reaction, as you describe it. Sanders and Warren offer something, they say "No, that's bad", in the same way that Trump offers something and they say "No, that's bad". The idea of offering something outside of criticizing others is what Sent was going for, and I don't think liberals have done well, or are going to do well, if they choose to go there in this political moment.
I see. I highly value and appreciate when different candidates actually sit down and hash out the pros and cons of serious policy positions. Legitimate substance. I think that even the moderate candidates have done a decent job of doing this, whereas Trump obviously just runs on buzzwords and catchphrases. That being said, I don't think the average voter is as engaged in the nitty gritty that we are, and I think that appeals to emotions and colorful rhetoric resonates with a lot more people.
Hunter Biden allegedly asked a strip club employee go out to buy him a sex toy that strippers then used on him at a Manhattan club.
This week shocking reports emerged accusing Biden of frequenting two Washington D.C. strip clubs where he met Lunden Roberts, the woman who sued Hunter Biden over the paternity of her child.
Biden also allegedly visited Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club NYC in Manhattan two times about a year ago, where he spent several thousand dollars and on one occasion sent an employee out to buy a dildo for strippers to use on him, according to a new Page Six report.
During both trips to the club, Biden and a female companion reportedly got a private room where they ordered bottles of alcohol and were joined by several strippers.
On one of those nights, workers suspected Biden was high and staff reportedly warned him that drugs weren't allowed on the premises.
That same night Biden allegedly sent a club worker out to purchase a dildo so the strippers could use it on him, a Page Six source reported.
'He was a pretty nice guy,' one source said. 'He was pretty friendly and a pretty good tipper.'
The news comes as it was revealed that Biden fathered a love child with a stripper named Lunden Roberts, also known by the stage name 'Dallas', who worked at The Mpire Gentlemen's Club in Washington D.C.
Biden allegedly frequented that club after dating his late brother's widow.
'He was well-known,' a source told Page Six of Biden, the son of democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
DailyMail.com revealed that Biden is the father of the Arkansas woman's child after obtaining court records.
How Joe Biden is still the front runner is beyond me.
What the hell does Hunter Biden have to do with Joe Biden? That's like saying Melania is legitimately a piece of shit because Donald Trump literally exists. Hunter is a grown-ass man; I doubt that his daddy forced him to do something shady at a strip club.
This absurd attack is like last election, where people tried to attack Hillary Clinton over the fact that Bill Clinton cheated on her.
Also - and again, this is completely irrelevant - Donald Trump has done a million worse things than Hunter Biden has done. (And only one of them is running for president.)
On November 28 2019 14:23 Belisarius wrote: Pete's position as the leading moderate who's not an octogenarian gaffe-machine means he can expect a bump every time Biden does something stupid. The last debate certainly qualified, so it could be that.
I agree things will probably be different once he starts taking fire. It feels like he's gone under the radar on nearly every front so far.
Also, since I got the new page, this was dead on and deserves the header:
On November 28 2019 00:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The future will look back and see it as one of two ways. Either they will look back and see it as a time when in a fit of collective madness, elected a most despicable, corrupt president who lies and the rest of the populace and political machinery manages to fight back and rule of law is restored, or due to that the Republican party see nothing wrong with abusing state power for political power, it'll be seen as the birth of one party rule, a most glorious revolution that still control the country today.
This impeachment proceeding is a crossroad. The next election is a crossroad. 2020 will decide whether USA will slide towards autocracy or can retain democracy. There is no guarantee whatsoever that in 100 years Americans will look back and think Trump presidency was insane.
That Trump is a comical cartoon villian distracts from the serious threat to democracy that he is and distracts from why the impeachment is so important. The Democrats have no choice but to try to impeach Trump, to go out there and say that abusing the power of the state to be directed at political opponents is reprehensible, regardless of whether the population thinks supports impeachment or not, because if they don't even fight against such an obvious breach of political freedom that is one of the basis of democratic rights, they will be next.
The next election may be the most important America has ever had. It's deeply worrying that there's no dem candidate who seems any better than a toss-up in the general.
Every election people say it’s the most important election. It should be pretty clear anyway that 2016, ushering in Trump, will be seen as more important than 2020 barring some kind of authoritarian meltdown or mass election fraud.
Hunter Biden allegedly asked a strip club employee go out to buy him a sex toy that strippers then used on him at a Manhattan club.
This week shocking reports emerged accusing Biden of frequenting two Washington D.C. strip clubs where he met Lunden Roberts, the woman who sued Hunter Biden over the paternity of her child.
Biden also allegedly visited Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club NYC in Manhattan two times about a year ago, where he spent several thousand dollars and on one occasion sent an employee out to buy a dildo for strippers to use on him, according to a new Page Six report.
During both trips to the club, Biden and a female companion reportedly got a private room where they ordered bottles of alcohol and were joined by several strippers.
On one of those nights, workers suspected Biden was high and staff reportedly warned him that drugs weren't allowed on the premises.
That same night Biden allegedly sent a club worker out to purchase a dildo so the strippers could use it on him, a Page Six source reported.
'He was a pretty nice guy,' one source said. 'He was pretty friendly and a pretty good tipper.'
The news comes as it was revealed that Biden fathered a love child with a stripper named Lunden Roberts, also known by the stage name 'Dallas', who worked at The Mpire Gentlemen's Club in Washington D.C.
Biden allegedly frequented that club after dating his late brother's widow.
'He was well-known,' a source told Page Six of Biden, the son of democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
DailyMail.com revealed that Biden is the father of the Arkansas woman's child after obtaining court records.
How Joe Biden is still the front runner is beyond me.
What the hell does Hunter Biden have to do with Joe Biden? That's like saying Melania is legitimately a piece of shit because Donald Trump literally exists. Hunter is a grown-ass man; I doubt that his daddy forced him to do something shady at a strip club.
This absurd attack is like last election, where people tried to attack Hillary Clinton over the fact that Bill Clinton cheated on her.
Also - and again, this is completely irrelevant - Donald Trump has done a million worse things than Hunter Biden has done. (And only one of them is running for president.)
It pales in comparison to how Trump behaves, that said I still think it reflects badly on Joe Biden. Not necessarily the conduct but the combo of conduct plus the connections his dad has.
Whatever sexual mores one has are fair game if you ask me as long as you’re not cheating or what have you. Denying paternity in such a matter on the other hand, just rather poor form.
They appear to be considered irrelevant as it’s not exactly affecting Joe Biden in the polling thus far.
Personally it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, the rich and powerful having their fun and attempting to leave a (presumably) much less wealthy and powerful woman to deal with the consequences.
I really can’t comment as to Joe Biden on this, perhaps he asked his son to do the right thing, perhaps he did not and I don’t know. If the latter I do think that reflects badly on his values and character.
On November 28 2019 14:23 Belisarius wrote: Pete's position as the leading moderate who's not an octogenarian gaffe-machine means he can expect a bump every time Biden does something stupid. The last debate certainly qualified, so it could be that.
I agree things will probably be different once he starts taking fire. It feels like he's gone under the radar on nearly every front so far.
Also, since I got the new page, this was dead on and deserves the header:
On November 28 2019 00:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The future will look back and see it as one of two ways. Either they will look back and see it as a time when in a fit of collective madness, elected a most despicable, corrupt president who lies and the rest of the populace and political machinery manages to fight back and rule of law is restored, or due to that the Republican party see nothing wrong with abusing state power for political power, it'll be seen as the birth of one party rule, a most glorious revolution that still control the country today.
This impeachment proceeding is a crossroad. The next election is a crossroad. 2020 will decide whether USA will slide towards autocracy or can retain democracy. There is no guarantee whatsoever that in 100 years Americans will look back and think Trump presidency was insane.
That Trump is a comical cartoon villian distracts from the serious threat to democracy that he is and distracts from why the impeachment is so important. The Democrats have no choice but to try to impeach Trump, to go out there and say that abusing the power of the state to be directed at political opponents is reprehensible, regardless of whether the population thinks supports impeachment or not, because if they don't even fight against such an obvious breach of political freedom that is one of the basis of democratic rights, they will be next.
The next election may be the most important America has ever had. It's deeply worrying that there's no dem candidate who seems any better than a toss-up in the general.
Every election people say it’s the most important election. It should be pretty clear anyway that 2016, ushering in Trump, will be seen as more important than 2020 barring some kind of authoritarian meltdown or mass election fraud.
2020 will decide whether this will be a blip or a trend. If Trump doesn't get impeached, whoever is next, whether Republican or Democrat, has gauged that it doesn't matter, nor does the public care, if you use state power as a weapon against political opponents. Whoever it is, will have the tools to be in power forever.
Hunter Biden allegedly asked a strip club employee go out to buy him a sex toy that strippers then used on him at a Manhattan club.
This week shocking reports emerged accusing Biden of frequenting two Washington D.C. strip clubs where he met Lunden Roberts, the woman who sued Hunter Biden over the paternity of her child.
Biden also allegedly visited Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club NYC in Manhattan two times about a year ago, where he spent several thousand dollars and on one occasion sent an employee out to buy a dildo for strippers to use on him, according to a new Page Six report.
During both trips to the club, Biden and a female companion reportedly got a private room where they ordered bottles of alcohol and were joined by several strippers.
On one of those nights, workers suspected Biden was high and staff reportedly warned him that drugs weren't allowed on the premises.
That same night Biden allegedly sent a club worker out to purchase a dildo so the strippers could use it on him, a Page Six source reported.
'He was a pretty nice guy,' one source said. 'He was pretty friendly and a pretty good tipper.'
The news comes as it was revealed that Biden fathered a love child with a stripper named Lunden Roberts, also known by the stage name 'Dallas', who worked at The Mpire Gentlemen's Club in Washington D.C.
Biden allegedly frequented that club after dating his late brother's widow.
'He was well-known,' a source told Page Six of Biden, the son of democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
DailyMail.com revealed that Biden is the father of the Arkansas woman's child after obtaining court records.
How Joe Biden is still the front runner is beyond me.
You really need to reconsider where you get your news from. First you posted a Project Veritas video, and now you're posting highly suspect stuff from tabloids.
Hunter Biden allegedly asked a strip club employee go out to buy him a sex toy that strippers then used on him at a Manhattan club.
This week shocking reports emerged accusing Biden of frequenting two Washington D.C. strip clubs where he met Lunden Roberts, the woman who sued Hunter Biden over the paternity of her child.
Biden also allegedly visited Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club NYC in Manhattan two times about a year ago, where he spent several thousand dollars and on one occasion sent an employee out to buy a dildo for strippers to use on him, according to a new Page Six report.
During both trips to the club, Biden and a female companion reportedly got a private room where they ordered bottles of alcohol and were joined by several strippers.
On one of those nights, workers suspected Biden was high and staff reportedly warned him that drugs weren't allowed on the premises.
That same night Biden allegedly sent a club worker out to purchase a dildo so the strippers could use it on him, a Page Six source reported.
'He was a pretty nice guy,' one source said. 'He was pretty friendly and a pretty good tipper.'
The news comes as it was revealed that Biden fathered a love child with a stripper named Lunden Roberts, also known by the stage name 'Dallas', who worked at The Mpire Gentlemen's Club in Washington D.C.
Biden allegedly frequented that club after dating his late brother's widow.
'He was well-known,' a source told Page Six of Biden, the son of democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
DailyMail.com revealed that Biden is the father of the Arkansas woman's child after obtaining court records.
How Joe Biden is still the front runner is beyond me.
What the hell does Hunter Biden have to do with Joe Biden? That's like saying Melania is legitimately a piece of shit because Donald Trump literally exists. Hunter is a grown-ass man; I doubt that his daddy forced him to do something shady at a strip club.
This absurd attack is like last election, where people tried to attack Hillary Clinton over the fact that Bill Clinton cheated on her.
Not just smearing her over Bill cheating on her. Several of the big tabloids also claimed she was terminally ill and things like that without any evidence. The illness claims fed into the narrative that she wasn't fit or strong enough for president. Of course now there's Donald in charge, who doesn't believe in exercise and opted to ride separately in a golf cart rather than walk with the other leaders at a G7 event.
It's true that people won't remember this election. They will remember 2016, and they will remember whatever he or the next person does to cement control, because those are flashier, but this is the tipping point nonetheless. Like any western authoritarian, he is aiming to exploit the protections offered by democracy in order to destroy those protections. This is the last window where they still function well enough that he can be prevented.
Also, to be clear, I don't think the Democrats should be laser focused on Trump in their messaging. Making the external conversation about him puts the ball squarely where he wants it. I think they should be laser focused on him in their goals and strategy. We don't know who the best candidate against him is, but finding that out is absolutely crucial, and this primary seems unlikely to do so on its own.
At minimum, I'd be saturating every swing state with focus groups and anonymous ballot polls, and if anyone emerged with a clear h2h lead in the general I would be throwing the weight of the party apparatus behind them immediately. I don't even care if it turns out to be Biden.
On November 28 2019 23:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: also, I have the impression that some are only popular if you disassociate them from the tax increase necessary to fund them.
Like, taxing the fuck out of billionaires so they stop being billionaires is an independent goal for me. But that's not how you fund education or universal health care or the other attractive elements of a scandinavian social democratic society, that's done through higher income taxes across the board, or stuff like VAT.
Sanders and Warren have tried to explain that the net cost of these things would go down for the average American, because an increase in taxes would be offset by the lack of premiums and other healthcare-related fees that we currently have to pay. Sadly, many Americans stop listening when they hear "taxes would go up" and don't wait 10 more seconds to hear "but overall you'll pay less, and that's what matters financially".
I'm just curious what role you see liberal media outlets playing in that?
Hm, that's a good question. I think if most moderate/ left-leaning media outlets had to choose between a moderate candidate/ idea (Biden, Buttigieg, Medicare for "All who want it", keeping private insurance as an option) or a more progressive candidate/ idea, they would prefer the baby steps of the former, so I'd imagine that they wouldn't go out of their way to fully clarify the pro arguments for a progressive agenda, and focus mainly on either the con arguments of the progressive agenda or the pro arguments for the more moderate middle plan. I think they would prefer this because I'd imagine that most large corporations are uneasy when it comes to revolutionary ideas and radical changes, and Sanders and Warren haven't exactly been using rhetoric that sounds supportive of big influencers, one-percenters, big business, etc.
Do you believe the liberal/moderate outlets and the people they appeal to with this presentation are acting as allies to the people or those corporations?
On November 29 2019 06:39 Belisarius wrote: It's true that people won't remember this election. They will remember 2016, and they will remember whatever he or the next person does to cement control, because those are flashier, but this is the tipping point nonetheless. Like any western authoritarian, he is aiming to exploit the protections offered by democracy in order to destroy those protections. This is the last window where they still function well enough that he can be prevented. ...
I think this is overselling the immediate danger a little... although in the long run I think no matter which way this particular instance goes the democracy and general values of the United States are circling the drain.
On November 28 2019 00:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The future will look back and see it as one of two ways. Either they will look back and see it as a time when in a fit of collective madness, elected a most despicable, corrupt president who lies and the rest of the populace and political machinery manages to fight back and rule of law is restored, or due to that the Republican party see nothing wrong with abusing state power for political power, it'll be seen as the birth of one party rule, a most glorious revolution that still control the country today.
This impeachment proceeding is a crossroad. The next election is a crossroad. 2020 will decide whether USA will slide towards autocracy or can retain democracy. There is no guarantee whatsoever that in 100 years Americans will look back and think Trump presidency was insane.
That Trump is a comical cartoon villian distracts from the serious threat to democracy that he is and distracts from why the impeachment is so important. The Democrats have no choice but to try to impeach Trump, to go out there and say that abusing the power of the state to be directed at political opponents is reprehensible, regardless of whether the population thinks supports impeachment or not, because if they don't even fight against such an obvious breach of political freedom that is one of the basis of democratic rights, they will be next.
To that point I don't think it's quite appreciated how big a deal the Navy Seal thing is. It was a sort of gauntlet laying for the military. Police overwhelmingly support Trump, so there's no need for one there.
Trump basically sided with a war criminal over the Seals that reported him and the superior officers/jury who were essentially letting him off with a slap on the wrist. People should probably be more terrified by what that portends. Particularly since the military has seen increasing numbers of these types of incidents.
It's actually crazy. I hadn't read up what the guy was about. Turns out he had fellow servicemen report him for sniping down a little girl and an old man, indiscriminately spraying a neighborhood with a machine gun and rockets, and killing a captured 15 year old prisoner with a knife and then posing with the corpse. It's really fucked up.
The fired Navy Secretary called out Trump hard for it:
This was a shocking and unprecedented intervention in a low-level review. It was also a reminder that the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices.
So the commander in chief is completely unfit for duty.
The simple answer to why this happened is that the guys lawyers went on Fox and Fox dictates 80% of Trumps policy making. But there could also be a more sinister reason in that it's basically a 'go ahead, there's no line you can't cross' signal to Border Patrol and ICE loyalists.
On November 28 2019 00:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The future will look back and see it as one of two ways. Either they will look back and see it as a time when in a fit of collective madness, elected a most despicable, corrupt president who lies and the rest of the populace and political machinery manages to fight back and rule of law is restored, or due to that the Republican party see nothing wrong with abusing state power for political power, it'll be seen as the birth of one party rule, a most glorious revolution that still control the country today.
This impeachment proceeding is a crossroad. The next election is a crossroad. 2020 will decide whether USA will slide towards autocracy or can retain democracy. There is no guarantee whatsoever that in 100 years Americans will look back and think Trump presidency was insane.
That Trump is a comical cartoon villian distracts from the serious threat to democracy that he is and distracts from why the impeachment is so important. The Democrats have no choice but to try to impeach Trump, to go out there and say that abusing the power of the state to be directed at political opponents is reprehensible, regardless of whether the population thinks supports impeachment or not, because if they don't even fight against such an obvious breach of political freedom that is one of the basis of democratic rights, they will be next.
To that point I don't think it's quite appreciated how big a deal the Navy Seal thing is. It was a sort of gauntlet laying for the military. Police overwhelmingly support Trump, so there's no need for one there.
Trump basically sided with a war criminal over the Seals that reported him and the superior officers/jury who were essentially letting him off with a slap on the wrist. People should probably be more terrified by what that portends. Particularly since the military has seen increasing numbers of these types of incidents.
It's actually crazy. I hadn't read up what the guy was about. Turns out he had fellow servicemen report him for sniping down a little girl and an old man, indiscriminately spraying a neighborhood with a machine gun and rockets, and killing a captured 15 year old prisoner with a knife and then posing with the corpse. It's really fucked up.
The fired Navy Secretary called out Trump hard for it:
This was a shocking and unprecedented intervention in a low-level review. It was also a reminder that the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices.
So the commander in chief is completely unfit for duty. Nice.
The simple answer to why this happened is that the guys lawyers went on Fox and Fox dictates 80% of Trumps policy making. But there could also be a more sinister reason in that it's basically a 'go ahead, there's no line you can't cross' signal to Border Patrol and ICE loyalists.
It's worth noting the max sentence he was facing from the jury for all that was a demotion and 4 months in the brig (but the commanding officer had the discretion to reduce it to nothing).
Trump made it worse, but it was already really bad.
On November 28 2019 23:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: also, I have the impression that some are only popular if you disassociate them from the tax increase necessary to fund them.
Like, taxing the fuck out of billionaires so they stop being billionaires is an independent goal for me. But that's not how you fund education or universal health care or the other attractive elements of a scandinavian social democratic society, that's done through higher income taxes across the board, or stuff like VAT.
Sanders and Warren have tried to explain that the net cost of these things would go down for the average American, because an increase in taxes would be offset by the lack of premiums and other healthcare-related fees that we currently have to pay. Sadly, many Americans stop listening when they hear "taxes would go up" and don't wait 10 more seconds to hear "but overall you'll pay less, and that's what matters financially".
I'm just curious what role you see liberal media outlets playing in that?
Hm, that's a good question. I think if most moderate/ left-leaning media outlets had to choose between a moderate candidate/ idea (Biden, Buttigieg, Medicare for "All who want it", keeping private insurance as an option) or a more progressive candidate/ idea, they would prefer the baby steps of the former, so I'd imagine that they wouldn't go out of their way to fully clarify the pro arguments for a progressive agenda, and focus mainly on either the con arguments of the progressive agenda or the pro arguments for the more moderate middle plan. I think they would prefer this because I'd imagine that most large corporations are uneasy when it comes to revolutionary ideas and radical changes, and Sanders and Warren haven't exactly been using rhetoric that sounds supportive of big influencers, one-percenters, big business, etc.
Do you believe the liberal/moderate outlets and the people they appeal to with this presentation are acting as allies to the people or those corporations?
I think that it's not necessarily the case that the interests of those corporations must line up with the best interest of the viewers, and while I don't think those liberal outlets are as bad as Fox, per se, I think they're definitely making sure they do what's best for themselves first. So I think they'll act as allies to the people as long as it doesn't undermine their company's well-being.
On November 28 2019 23:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: also, I have the impression that some are only popular if you disassociate them from the tax increase necessary to fund them.
Like, taxing the fuck out of billionaires so they stop being billionaires is an independent goal for me. But that's not how you fund education or universal health care or the other attractive elements of a scandinavian social democratic society, that's done through higher income taxes across the board, or stuff like VAT.
Sanders and Warren have tried to explain that the net cost of these things would go down for the average American, because an increase in taxes would be offset by the lack of premiums and other healthcare-related fees that we currently have to pay. Sadly, many Americans stop listening when they hear "taxes would go up" and don't wait 10 more seconds to hear "but overall you'll pay less, and that's what matters financially".
I'm just curious what role you see liberal media outlets playing in that?
Hm, that's a good question. I think if most moderate/ left-leaning media outlets had to choose between a moderate candidate/ idea (Biden, Buttigieg, Medicare for "All who want it", keeping private insurance as an option) or a more progressive candidate/ idea, they would prefer the baby steps of the former, so I'd imagine that they wouldn't go out of their way to fully clarify the pro arguments for a progressive agenda, and focus mainly on either the con arguments of the progressive agenda or the pro arguments for the more moderate middle plan. I think they would prefer this because I'd imagine that most large corporations are uneasy when it comes to revolutionary ideas and radical changes, and Sanders and Warren haven't exactly been using rhetoric that sounds supportive of big influencers, one-percenters, big business, etc.
Do you believe the liberal/moderate outlets and the people they appeal to with this presentation are acting as allies to the people or those corporations?
I think that it's not necessarily the case that the interests of those corporations must line up with the best interest of the viewers, and while I don't think those liberal outlets are as bad as Fox, per se, I think they're definitely making sure they do what's best for themselves first. So I think they'll act as allies to the people as long as it doesn't undermine their company's well-being.
Where, besides healthcare, do you see liberal outlets best interests in opposition to the people? In alliance?
I'm not looking for a comprehensive list, I'm just trying to better understand the perspective.
Hunter Biden allegedly asked a strip club employee go out to buy him a sex toy that strippers then used on him at a Manhattan club.
This week shocking reports emerged accusing Biden of frequenting two Washington D.C. strip clubs where he met Lunden Roberts, the woman who sued Hunter Biden over the paternity of her child.
Biden also allegedly visited Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club NYC in Manhattan two times about a year ago, where he spent several thousand dollars and on one occasion sent an employee out to buy a dildo for strippers to use on him, according to a new Page Six report.
During both trips to the club, Biden and a female companion reportedly got a private room where they ordered bottles of alcohol and were joined by several strippers.
On one of those nights, workers suspected Biden was high and staff reportedly warned him that drugs weren't allowed on the premises.
That same night Biden allegedly sent a club worker out to purchase a dildo so the strippers could use it on him, a Page Six source reported.
'He was a pretty nice guy,' one source said. 'He was pretty friendly and a pretty good tipper.'
The news comes as it was revealed that Biden fathered a love child with a stripper named Lunden Roberts, also known by the stage name 'Dallas', who worked at The Mpire Gentlemen's Club in Washington D.C.
Biden allegedly frequented that club after dating his late brother's widow.
'He was well-known,' a source told Page Six of Biden, the son of democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
DailyMail.com revealed that Biden is the father of the Arkansas woman's child after obtaining court records.
How Joe Biden is still the front runner is beyond me.
What the hell does Hunter Biden have to do with Joe Biden? That's like saying Melania is legitimately a piece of shit because Donald Trump literally exists. Hunter is a grown-ass man; I doubt that his daddy forced him to do something shady at a strip club.
This absurd attack is like last election, where people tried to attack Hillary Clinton over the fact that Bill Clinton cheated on her.
Also - and again, this is completely irrelevant - Donald Trump has done a million worse things than Hunter Biden has done. (And only one of them is running for president.)
You can learn a lot about someone by their children. Beau Biden died of being a drug addict. This article claims Hunter Biden is also has a drug habit. Not saying Biden is responsible for his children's actions, but it is an indicator of someone who is having a hard time having a successful family unit. If Joe is having trouble running a successful family, its morel likely than not Joe would have trouble running a country. Not saying its fair but its how voters will be perceiving these events. If my neighbor had two children struggling with with drug overdoses and relapses, i would think less of them than a Neighbor who's children have not openly engaged in such nefarious activities.
Hunter Biden allegedly asked a strip club employee go out to buy him a sex toy that strippers then used on him at a Manhattan club.
This week shocking reports emerged accusing Biden of frequenting two Washington D.C. strip clubs where he met Lunden Roberts, the woman who sued Hunter Biden over the paternity of her child.
Biden also allegedly visited Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club NYC in Manhattan two times about a year ago, where he spent several thousand dollars and on one occasion sent an employee out to buy a dildo for strippers to use on him, according to a new Page Six report.
During both trips to the club, Biden and a female companion reportedly got a private room where they ordered bottles of alcohol and were joined by several strippers.
On one of those nights, workers suspected Biden was high and staff reportedly warned him that drugs weren't allowed on the premises.
That same night Biden allegedly sent a club worker out to purchase a dildo so the strippers could use it on him, a Page Six source reported.
'He was a pretty nice guy,' one source said. 'He was pretty friendly and a pretty good tipper.'
The news comes as it was revealed that Biden fathered a love child with a stripper named Lunden Roberts, also known by the stage name 'Dallas', who worked at The Mpire Gentlemen's Club in Washington D.C.
Biden allegedly frequented that club after dating his late brother's widow.
'He was well-known,' a source told Page Six of Biden, the son of democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
DailyMail.com revealed that Biden is the father of the Arkansas woman's child after obtaining court records.
How Joe Biden is still the front runner is beyond me.
What the hell does Hunter Biden have to do with Joe Biden? That's like saying Melania is legitimately a piece of shit because Donald Trump literally exists. Hunter is a grown-ass man; I doubt that his daddy forced him to do something shady at a strip club.
This absurd attack is like last election, where people tried to attack Hillary Clinton over the fact that Bill Clinton cheated on her.
Also - and again, this is completely irrelevant - Donald Trump has done a million worse things than Hunter Biden has done. (And only one of them is running for president.)
You can learn a lot about someone by their children. Beau Biden died of being a drug addict. This article claims Hunter Biden is also has a drug habit. Not saying Biden is responsible for his children's actions, but it is an indicator of someone who is having a hard time having a successful family unit. If Joe is having trouble running a successful family, its morel likely than not Joe would have trouble running a country. Not saying its fair but its how voters will be perceiving these events. If my neighbor had two children struggling with with drug overdoses and relapses, i would think less of them than a Neighbor who's children have not openly engaged in such nefarious activities.
Hunter Biden allegedly asked a strip club employee go out to buy him a sex toy that strippers then used on him at a Manhattan club.
This week shocking reports emerged accusing Biden of frequenting two Washington D.C. strip clubs where he met Lunden Roberts, the woman who sued Hunter Biden over the paternity of her child.
Biden also allegedly visited Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club NYC in Manhattan two times about a year ago, where he spent several thousand dollars and on one occasion sent an employee out to buy a dildo for strippers to use on him, according to a new Page Six report.
During both trips to the club, Biden and a female companion reportedly got a private room where they ordered bottles of alcohol and were joined by several strippers.
On one of those nights, workers suspected Biden was high and staff reportedly warned him that drugs weren't allowed on the premises.
That same night Biden allegedly sent a club worker out to purchase a dildo so the strippers could use it on him, a Page Six source reported.
'He was a pretty nice guy,' one source said. 'He was pretty friendly and a pretty good tipper.'
The news comes as it was revealed that Biden fathered a love child with a stripper named Lunden Roberts, also known by the stage name 'Dallas', who worked at The Mpire Gentlemen's Club in Washington D.C.
Biden allegedly frequented that club after dating his late brother's widow.
'He was well-known,' a source told Page Six of Biden, the son of democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
DailyMail.com revealed that Biden is the father of the Arkansas woman's child after obtaining court records.
How Joe Biden is still the front runner is beyond me.
What the hell does Hunter Biden have to do with Joe Biden? That's like saying Melania is legitimately a piece of shit because Donald Trump literally exists. Hunter is a grown-ass man; I doubt that his daddy forced him to do something shady at a strip club.
This absurd attack is like last election, where people tried to attack Hillary Clinton over the fact that Bill Clinton cheated on her.
Also - and again, this is completely irrelevant - Donald Trump has done a million worse things than Hunter Biden has done. (And only one of them is running for president.)
You can learn a lot about someone by their children. Beau Biden died of being a drug addict. This article claims Hunter Biden is also has a drug habit. Not saying Biden is responsible for his children's actions, but it is an indicator of someone who is having a hard time having a successful family unit. If Joe is having trouble running a successful family, its morel likely than not Joe would have trouble running a country. Not saying its fair but its how voters will be perceiving these events. If my neighbor had two children struggling with with drug overdoses and relapses, i would think less of them than a Neighbor who's children have not openly engaged in such nefarious activities.
Where are you getting this information? Beau Biden died of brain cancer. It was well publicized.
At least try to get the basic facts right.
edit: here's a source, and no, it isn't a tabloid:
Joseph "Beau" Biden III, an Iraq War veteran who served as the attorney general of Delaware and was a son of Vice President Joe Biden, died Saturday at age 46, the White House said in a statement.
He died after battling brain cancer, according to the vice president's office.
"Beau Biden was, quite simply, the finest man any of us have ever known," his father wrote in a statement.
Biden had suffered known health problems dating back to 2010, when he experienced a stroke that did not affect his motor skills or speech.
In 2013, Beau Biden was treated at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston after he became disoriented and weak while on vacation. He was diagnosed with brain cancer, and after undergoing surgery was given a clean bill of health.
The cancer returned this spring and Biden pursued aggressive treatment at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, the vice president's office said. He died Saturday evening, surrounded by his extended family.
Aside from Vice President and Dr. Jill Biden, Beau Biden is survived by his wife, Hallie; two children, Natalie and Hunter; a brother, also named Hunter; and a half-sister, Ashley.
Hunter Biden allegedly asked a strip club employee go out to buy him a sex toy that strippers then used on him at a Manhattan club.
This week shocking reports emerged accusing Biden of frequenting two Washington D.C. strip clubs where he met Lunden Roberts, the woman who sued Hunter Biden over the paternity of her child.
Biden also allegedly visited Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club NYC in Manhattan two times about a year ago, where he spent several thousand dollars and on one occasion sent an employee out to buy a dildo for strippers to use on him, according to a new Page Six report.
During both trips to the club, Biden and a female companion reportedly got a private room where they ordered bottles of alcohol and were joined by several strippers.
On one of those nights, workers suspected Biden was high and staff reportedly warned him that drugs weren't allowed on the premises.
That same night Biden allegedly sent a club worker out to purchase a dildo so the strippers could use it on him, a Page Six source reported.
'He was a pretty nice guy,' one source said. 'He was pretty friendly and a pretty good tipper.'
The news comes as it was revealed that Biden fathered a love child with a stripper named Lunden Roberts, also known by the stage name 'Dallas', who worked at The Mpire Gentlemen's Club in Washington D.C.
Biden allegedly frequented that club after dating his late brother's widow.
'He was well-known,' a source told Page Six of Biden, the son of democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
DailyMail.com revealed that Biden is the father of the Arkansas woman's child after obtaining court records.
How Joe Biden is still the front runner is beyond me.
Not a fan of Joe Biden, but i also really dislike that attack.
Firstly, i don't think what Hunter Biden does is very relevant to what Joe Biden does.
Secondly, this clearly aims at the evangelical right and the general idea that sex is bad. If someone wants to pay strippers to use a dildo on them, why is that horribly bad? The only problem i see here were if he were married and cheating on his wife. But since this claims it happened "after dating his late brother's widow.", which according to Hunter Bidens wikipedia is a point in his life when he was not married.
That whole piece just looks like an attempt at character assassination by proximity. It details a lot of things that people think are bad for some reason or another (strippers, sex, dildos, people using dildos on men, dating brothers widow, drugs, alcohol), links those to Hunter Biden, and then links that to Joe Biden.
I don't think that sort of mudslinging is a good thing. If you want to attack a presidential candidates, talk about them, or even better, about their policy. Don't dig deep into their family to find any sex stuff you can find, and pull that into the open.
What Hunter Biden does becomes relevant when he is on the Board of Burisma making a million per year, and has no reason to be on the board. Then the company gets investigated, and Joe biden (while vice president) uses a billion dollars in aid as leverage to get the investigator fired.
Here is a clip of Joe Biden bragging about doing it.
EPT
