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On November 25 2019 16:26 RenSC2 wrote:
Ahh, the Bloomberg conspiracy to stop Bernie, that must be it. It couldn't possibly be a billionaire with an over-inflated ego who thinks that he should be the one to run things. He sees a front-runner in Biden who can't gain traction and is a walking gaffe machine. He sees Warren and Bernie who turn off large swathes of Americans (most Americans are not progressives and don't want progressive policies, sorry). And then he sees Buttigieg who is the mayor of a mid sized town, that's his resume. In that weak field, Buttigieg has gained some following as his name and message gets out, but he's still far from a strong candidate. You don't think Bloomberg sees that field and says, "I can beat those guys"?
Bloomberg's run is not a conspiracy against Bernie. Its a billionaire who thinks very highly of himself, who hates Trump, and thinks that he can do a lot better than Trump and the current candidates. I don't support him because he didn't have the guts to get in the race on time and actually debate the other candidates. He can't just buy my vote with a bunch of ads and I think the majority feel the same way. However, I still pick him 1000 times over Trump.
You say "conspiracy" as if billionaires and their lackeys don't have a mutual interest in Trump winning over Bernie (but think they'd be better than both)? Doesn't have to be some cloak and dagger stuff, simply a recognition of/belief in what you've pointed out, the vulnerability that presents to the donor class, then a reasonable (given the context) reaction.
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On November 25 2019 14:24 Gorgonoth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2019 06:06 JimmiC wrote:On November 25 2019 06:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 25 2019 05:17 redlightdistrict wrote:On November 25 2019 03:32 Excludos wrote:On November 25 2019 02:58 redlightdistrict wrote:On November 24 2019 16:47 Excludos wrote:On November 24 2019 09:25 redlightdistrict wrote:You has been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the involvement in a Man's taking his own life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-charged-boyfriends-suicide-being-145546553.html
You, dressed in a white sweater and black pants, didn’t speak during the proceedings. She was taken into custody in handcuffs after the judge set her bail at $5,000. She posted bail soon afterward and was released.
You, who was born in South Korea and is a naturalized U.S. citizen, was also ordered to surrender her passport and remain in Massachusetts. Her next court date is in January, and her case won’t go to trial until November 2020.
Prosecutors say You and Alexander Urtula, 22, of Cedar Grove, New Jersey, exchanged more than 75,000 texts in the last two months of their turbulent, 18-month relationship, with You sending the majority of them.
They say You isolated Urtula from his friends, urged him multiple times to “go kill yourself” and called him “worthless” in a constant barrage of messages.
Urtula died in Boston on May 20, just minutes before his Boston College graduation.
During You’s arraignment, assistant prosecutor Caitlin Grasso said the two Boston College students had met through the university’s Filipino student society.
But You, she said, became upset after learning Urtula was still communicating with an ex-girlfriend.
Grasso read from some of the thousands messages You sent to Urtula, many laden with expletives and sent in one-word bursts and capital letters.
She also detailed how You, who withdrew from the university over the summer, forced Urtula to block his friends on social media and regularly monitored his location through his smartphone’s GPS.
If you is convicted, this could set a prescient in America for people being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide. This is a real life case of Sydney Barringer from the movie Magnolia + Show Spoiler + Did you even read the whole case? This is mental abuse in this case was on another level. They sent 75000 messages over the course of 2 months, and she would pressure him into answering at any time to the detriment of sleep. She also repeatedly told him to go kill himself, or she would. The messages, which are public, are horrible. Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened, so there's no precedent to set. Pressuring someone into taking their own lives is not ok. It really doesn't sound like You is trying to make him kill himself in the last text messages. You has a plausible defense
“I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula writes. “I’m leaving everyone.”
“ALEX,” You responds. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP.”
“You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” Urtula says. And then he stops responding. From the transcript, it appears that You continued to attempt to call and text Urtula despite his silence.
“please i need you,” she writes, each sentence a new message. “please. i need you so much please. i [expletive] love you like no [expletive] other please i’m so sorry. i’m so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE. PLEASE BE WITH ME MY LOVE PLEASE. [expletive] LOVE ME AND BE WITH ME O [expletive] LOVE YOU. PLEASE. please I’m so sorry i’m begging you please alex please. can you wait for 20 minutes please. PLEASE. DONT DO THIS PLEASE. IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE.“
Right after: “do everyone a favor and go f---ing kill yourself,” calling him “WORTHLESS.” In another, she wrote, “I WANT TO BASH YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL” and told him to go smash his “HEAD ON THE SINK REPEATEDLY.” Whether she is found guilty or not is up for grabs, that's what a court case is for after all. But in no way is this a case of "being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide." or in any way a precedent. It's just a regular case of someone being shitty, manipulative and abusive. Whether she is found guilty or not just depends on exactly how abuse they find her. It also brings into question if you is suffering from a personality disorder, addiction, or compulsion. You cant be completely lucid in the mind if you are firing off thousands of text messages a day, and that might make you eligible for a rehabilitation treatment facility instead of being sentenced to jail time. For example, my friend has an 8 year old son that who developed severe pornography addiction and started to act aggressively sexual with the girls in his 2nd grade classroom. Instead of a judge ruling him guilty of rape, and sending him to juvenile hall, the judge ruled the son to have therapy and meet with a psychologist. You can have those issues without it spilling over into malicious acts. Yes any mitigating factors should be taken into account and appropriate therapy or whatever looked into too, at the end of the day somebody is dead. In the case of the 8 year old porn fiend I mean yes that seems appropriate rather than locking him up, equally those issues should never have gotten to the stage they did If an 8 year old has a porn addiction it is probably time to remove the kid from the home. You can totally control what your kid watches at that age and stage. If this is a real story you need to tell you friend the parent to get counseling and take some control back. Scares me to think this true and if that parent is still looking after the child I'm super worried about the child and any other children in the home. As sad as it is, a grade-schooler (8 is a bit younger than normal but certainly 10+) that views hardcore pornography compulsively and has issues with it affecting their behavior is probably far more common than people realize and typically parents are just as oblivious. In the last five or so years, smartphones are ubiquitously given to 10-12-year-olds and there's little policing going on of their internet traffic by and large. Hardcore pornography is consumed easily by 4th, 5th and 6th graders all the time. It's really a massive problem, and its still such a taboo that often parents and children never broach the subject even if its been a negative habit for so long. Most people consume porn and I think in the majority of cases people can consume it benignly but it does have an effect and I've known kids who are pretty messed up by it.
It’s harder than ever, luckily for me my dad was tech savvy and also open enough for it not to have been a huge factor, and now I too can have that ‘digital guardian’ role.
That said I think too many parents just let their kids do whatever on their various devices in lieu of supervising it and then blame the devices.
I don’t think people do really consume porn benignly, at best it’s non-harmful. It’s also way more extreme than when I was a youngster, partly just from ease of access and moving on to the new thing.
It’s a difficult conversation to have as I tend to run up against charges of being a prude, or lacking a sex-positive attitude or whatever. Which isn’t really the case at all, I just don’t think commodifying sex into a codified commercial package designed to entice visually as much as possible is going to have good effects on how men and women view sex in the real world, expectations wise or whatever.
It is quite bizarre having conversations with (mostly) women who bemoan objectification of the female form who defend porn to the hilt, but people can be bizarre.
Of course, I’m not saying you become a monster if you watch a porn video, that would be preposterous. I just think it’s a difficult conversation to have with your kid for the obvious awkwardness, but also that most of us partake as well. It’s become normalised now in the way alcohol is where people only consider you have a problem if your intake is insanely excessive, where I’d say the threshold is way before then.
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In various news today, the Navy secretary was fired on the whole Gallagher issue. Spencer explained that he doesn't take a tweet as an official order. Espy argues that he tried to establish a back-channel to the White House directly, proposing a sham inquiry to allow Gallagher to retire as a SEAL. Looking at Spencer's resignation letter, I find that dubious at best...
In a letter addressed to Trump after his termination, obtained by multiple news organizations, Spencer wrote that he "cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States."
He also added that the president "deserved and should expect" a Navy secretary "who is aligned with his vision," but added, "it has become apparent that in this respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline."
(you'll find that on all websites. This particular quote is taken from the Foxnews article)
Other news : Lev Parnas provided audio, video recordings and pictures of him, Giuliani and Trump to the Intelligence Committee. Let me grab my popcorn and wait to see if it will turn out to be a whole bag of nothing, or something fun.
Some of the information is already in the SDNY and couldn't be provided to the House Committee.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-intelligence-committee-possession-video-audio-recordings-giuliani/story?id=67276448
About the SDNY : do you remember when Weisselberg from Trump Organisation got immunity about the SDNY inquiry into porn star payments ?
Well the SDNY blocked the Manhattan DA from investigating this for a whole year because their own inquiry was ongoing. A few monthes ago, they notified that their inquiry was over, and nothing happened. The Manhattan DA (Cyrus Vance Jr) is now complaining that this leaves them very, very little time for an investigation before the statute of limitation expires in this case, as the last payment was made in early december 2017, and is only 2 years...
Running down the clock... I don't understand how statute of limitations even apply when an investigation is ongoing, and discovery/subpoenas on the way...? Just appeal the subpoenas until the SC and you already gained more than a year by default ?
https://ctmirror.org/2019/11/24/prosecutors-zero-in-on-trump-cfo-allen-weisselberg/
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I question various depictions of them and the lack of context with which they are assessed yeah. There's also the whole "remove the beam" thing.
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Do you question the allegations of organ harvesting in those camps and in china's prisons in general too ?
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On November 26 2019 00:34 JimmiC wrote:Thank you for posting, this confirms all the whispers that have been sneaking out of China for years about these. With China's extreme controls on the media and internet it is not surprising that it took this long for confirmation. I hope more of these leaks come out, there is a lot of horrible, horrible human rights abuses going on that need to be taken out into the open in the hopes that international pressure can be placed in hopes of some changes, though I'm not sure it will work. Those in power are so wealthy and so committed to control I'm not any amount of pressure will matter. It also really puts into perspective why the people of Hong Kong are so scared and willing to fight for their freedom so hard. They don't want to be put in "reeducation" camps and I'm sure stamping out their freedom and bending them to Chinese will will be a top priority at some point. There might be some talk against China but nothing will happen. Its far away on the other side of the world so people will conveniently ignore it and China is to big in the global economy to risk damage from large scale sanctions.
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On November 26 2019 00:49 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2019 00:34 JimmiC wrote:Thank you for posting, this confirms all the whispers that have been sneaking out of China for years about these. With China's extreme controls on the media and internet it is not surprising that it took this long for confirmation. I hope more of these leaks come out, there is a lot of horrible, horrible human rights abuses going on that need to be taken out into the open in the hopes that international pressure can be placed in hopes of some changes, though I'm not sure it will work. Those in power are so wealthy and so committed to control I'm not any amount of pressure will matter. It also really puts into perspective why the people of Hong Kong are so scared and willing to fight for their freedom so hard. They don't want to be put in "reeducation" camps and I'm sure stamping out their freedom and bending them to Chinese will will be a top priority at some point. There might be some talk against China but nothing will happen. Its far away on the other side of the world so people will conveniently ignore it and China is to big in the global economy to risk damage from large scale sanctions.
Doesn't mean that the world should remain mum on the issues. By remaining silent, we give consent to what is going on and that cannot be allowed. True, it may not be very effective to getting things to change, but it still needs to be out in the open and people have the right to know.
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The United States and Israel were the only countries that voted against UN General Assembly draft resolutions calling for a nuclear weapons-free Middle East, measures to stop an arms race in outer space, and an end to the blockade of Cuba.
Important breakthroughs have arrived at the United Nations seeking to prevent an arms race in outer space and create a nuclear weapons-free Middle East. There are just two main obstacles: the United States and Israel.
While Washington and corporate media outlets portray China and Russia as aggressive warmongering rogue states, their votes at the UN show which nations are actually expanding dangerous militarism into new frontiers.
China and Russia joined dozens of other countries in sponsoring resolutions at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) that sought to prevent armed conflict in space. Most of the international community supported these historic peace measures. The only consistent outliers were the US and Israel.
Beijing and Moscow have been leading global efforts to stop the use of weapons in space. Meanwhile, Washington has unilaterally blocked the international consensus on preventing the deadly space race.
Moreover, as nearly all UN member states have united in calling for a Middle East free of nuclear weapons, the US and Israel have singlehandedly undermined their peace efforts.
This roguish behavior predates the election of President Donald Trump.
At the UNGA on November 7, almost every country in the world also voted to end the US embargo against Cuba. This was the 28th year in row that the international community united in calling for the American noose to be taken off the neck of the Cuban people.
While 187 member states supported the resolution demanding an end to the blockade, the US, Israel, and Brazil’s far-right government were the lone nations to oppose it. American allies Colombia and Ukraine abstained.
thegrayzone.com
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Didn't see any years posted about the roguish behavior claim.
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Didn't Obama and others in his administration loosen the embargo? I'm pretty sure they were close to lifting sanctions but congress cockblocked him on that. So....
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On November 26 2019 01:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Didn't Obama and others in his administration loosen the embargo? I'm pretty sure they were close to lifting sanctions but congress cockblocked him on that. So....
Did you have a point?
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On November 26 2019 02:11 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2019 01:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Didn't Obama and others in his administration loosen the embargo? I'm pretty sure they were close to lifting sanctions but congress cockblocked him on that. So.... Did you have a point?
Did you?
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On November 26 2019 02:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2019 02:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 26 2019 01:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Didn't Obama and others in his administration loosen the embargo? I'm pretty sure they were close to lifting sanctions but congress cockblocked him on that. So.... Did you have a point? Did you?
I was addressing the longstanding roguish behavior of the US you seemed to be unaware of/disputing. You?
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I was remarking that the US has been adhering to the non-proliferation of nukes in space since it was signed decades ago. And that the Cuban embargo was softened to a degree. Also that the roguish behavior is sensationalist at best. A complete farce at worst. You?
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Funny, I tought everyone talked about China/Uighurs and a direct question was thrown your way... But you rather deflected instead of engaging with that because you look horrible on it by posting something that the US/Israel have done for ages.
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