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On November 24 2019 20:27 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2019 16:47 Excludos wrote:On November 24 2019 09:25 redlightdistrict wrote:You has been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the involvement in a Man's taking his own life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-charged-boyfriends-suicide-being-145546553.html
You, dressed in a white sweater and black pants, didn’t speak during the proceedings. She was taken into custody in handcuffs after the judge set her bail at $5,000. She posted bail soon afterward and was released.
You, who was born in South Korea and is a naturalized U.S. citizen, was also ordered to surrender her passport and remain in Massachusetts. Her next court date is in January, and her case won’t go to trial until November 2020.
Prosecutors say You and Alexander Urtula, 22, of Cedar Grove, New Jersey, exchanged more than 75,000 texts in the last two months of their turbulent, 18-month relationship, with You sending the majority of them.
They say You isolated Urtula from his friends, urged him multiple times to “go kill yourself” and called him “worthless” in a constant barrage of messages.
Urtula died in Boston on May 20, just minutes before his Boston College graduation.
During You’s arraignment, assistant prosecutor Caitlin Grasso said the two Boston College students had met through the university’s Filipino student society.
But You, she said, became upset after learning Urtula was still communicating with an ex-girlfriend.
Grasso read from some of the thousands messages You sent to Urtula, many laden with expletives and sent in one-word bursts and capital letters.
She also detailed how You, who withdrew from the university over the summer, forced Urtula to block his friends on social media and regularly monitored his location through his smartphone’s GPS.
If you is convicted, this could set a prescient in America for people being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide. This is a real life case of Sydney Barringer from the movie Magnolia + Show Spoiler + Did you even read the whole case? This is mental abuse in this case was on another level. They sent 75000 messages over the course of 2 months, and she would pressure him into answering at any time to the detriment of sleep. She also repeatedly told him to go kill himself, or she would. The messages, which are public, are horrible. Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened, so there's no precedent to set. Pressuring someone into taking their own lives is not ok. Because 75000 texts is such a large number, for context that's at best(two 31 day months back to back) ~1210 texts from a single person a day with an average of 1 text every ~1m11s.
Yepp. It's mind blowing. I bet most are probably really short. But the important outtakes that was brought forward were all fairly long too. These people did nothing but text every waking moments of their lives for those last two months.
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Yeah, without any knowledge of the specific laws in question, that is almost certainly some kind of crime.
Also, her being named "You" makes everything incredibly confusing to read.
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Forever-Republican Michael Bloomberg has finally *officially* announced that he's running as a super-centrist billionaire candidate for the Democratic primary. (One of many sources: https://news.yahoo.com/michael-bloomberg-launches-democratic-presidential-150121155.html ) Maybe he'll sap popularity from other moderate, traditional candidates like Joe Biden? He obviously won't win, but maybe it'll be a net benefit for Warren and Sanders?
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On November 25 2019 00:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Forever-Republican Michael Bloomberg has finally *officially* announced that he's running as a super-centrist billionaire candidate for the Democratic primary. (One of many sources: https://news.yahoo.com/michael-bloomberg-launches-democratic-presidential-150121155.html ) Maybe he'll sap popularity from other moderate, traditional candidates like Joe Biden? He obviously won't win, but maybe it'll be a net benefit for Warren and Sanders?
About the only good thing that him running might do IMO.
I wonder if we’re just in a lag period and the super wealthy/candidates of the super wealthy just haven’t figured out how to use the ‘new’ media properly or if the current ground can hold.
If you’d told me years ago when Citizens United was judged that a Bernie Sanders would be electorally competitive with a funding strategy of that kind I would have thought you a lunatic, but yer here we are today.
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On November 24 2019 16:47 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2019 09:25 redlightdistrict wrote:You has been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the involvement in a Man's taking his own life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-charged-boyfriends-suicide-being-145546553.html
You, dressed in a white sweater and black pants, didn’t speak during the proceedings. She was taken into custody in handcuffs after the judge set her bail at $5,000. She posted bail soon afterward and was released.
You, who was born in South Korea and is a naturalized U.S. citizen, was also ordered to surrender her passport and remain in Massachusetts. Her next court date is in January, and her case won’t go to trial until November 2020.
Prosecutors say You and Alexander Urtula, 22, of Cedar Grove, New Jersey, exchanged more than 75,000 texts in the last two months of their turbulent, 18-month relationship, with You sending the majority of them.
They say You isolated Urtula from his friends, urged him multiple times to “go kill yourself” and called him “worthless” in a constant barrage of messages.
Urtula died in Boston on May 20, just minutes before his Boston College graduation.
During You’s arraignment, assistant prosecutor Caitlin Grasso said the two Boston College students had met through the university’s Filipino student society.
But You, she said, became upset after learning Urtula was still communicating with an ex-girlfriend.
Grasso read from some of the thousands messages You sent to Urtula, many laden with expletives and sent in one-word bursts and capital letters.
She also detailed how You, who withdrew from the university over the summer, forced Urtula to block his friends on social media and regularly monitored his location through his smartphone’s GPS.
If you is convicted, this could set a prescient in America for people being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide. This is a real life case of Sydney Barringer from the movie Magnolia + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec51smvcsDY Did you even read the whole case? This is mental abuse in this case was on another level. They sent 75000 messages over the course of 2 months, and she would pressure him into answering at any time to the detriment of sleep. She also repeatedly told him to go kill himself, or she would. The messages, which are public, are horrible. Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened, so there's no precedent to set. Pressuring someone into taking their own lives is not ok.
It really doesn't sound like You is trying to make him kill himself in the last text messages. You has a plausible defense
“I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula writes. “I’m leaving everyone.”
“ALEX,” You responds. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP.”
“You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” Urtula says. And then he stops responding. From the transcript, it appears that You continued to attempt to call and text Urtula despite his silence.
“please i need you,” she writes, each sentence a new message. “please. i need you so much please. i [expletive] love you like no [expletive] other please i’m so sorry. i’m so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE. PLEASE BE WITH ME MY LOVE PLEASE. [expletive] LOVE ME AND BE WITH ME O [expletive] LOVE YOU. PLEASE. please I’m so sorry i’m begging you please alex please. can you wait for 20 minutes please. PLEASE. DONT DO THIS PLEASE. IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE.“
RBG was in the hospital again for the second time this month.
https://apnews.com/59ece692dd804865bac9df546549ab70
Trump must have all his potential nominees on speed dial if/when she is ruled incapable of preforming her duties so he can jam his nominee in before the 2020 election shaping the Supreme Court for the next 40 years.
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On November 25 2019 02:58 redlightdistrict wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2019 16:47 Excludos wrote:On November 24 2019 09:25 redlightdistrict wrote:You has been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the involvement in a Man's taking his own life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-charged-boyfriends-suicide-being-145546553.html
You, dressed in a white sweater and black pants, didn’t speak during the proceedings. She was taken into custody in handcuffs after the judge set her bail at $5,000. She posted bail soon afterward and was released.
You, who was born in South Korea and is a naturalized U.S. citizen, was also ordered to surrender her passport and remain in Massachusetts. Her next court date is in January, and her case won’t go to trial until November 2020.
Prosecutors say You and Alexander Urtula, 22, of Cedar Grove, New Jersey, exchanged more than 75,000 texts in the last two months of their turbulent, 18-month relationship, with You sending the majority of them.
They say You isolated Urtula from his friends, urged him multiple times to “go kill yourself” and called him “worthless” in a constant barrage of messages.
Urtula died in Boston on May 20, just minutes before his Boston College graduation.
During You’s arraignment, assistant prosecutor Caitlin Grasso said the two Boston College students had met through the university’s Filipino student society.
But You, she said, became upset after learning Urtula was still communicating with an ex-girlfriend.
Grasso read from some of the thousands messages You sent to Urtula, many laden with expletives and sent in one-word bursts and capital letters.
She also detailed how You, who withdrew from the university over the summer, forced Urtula to block his friends on social media and regularly monitored his location through his smartphone’s GPS.
If you is convicted, this could set a prescient in America for people being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide. This is a real life case of Sydney Barringer from the movie Magnolia + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec51smvcsDY Did you even read the whole case? This is mental abuse in this case was on another level. They sent 75000 messages over the course of 2 months, and she would pressure him into answering at any time to the detriment of sleep. She also repeatedly told him to go kill himself, or she would. The messages, which are public, are horrible. Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened, so there's no precedent to set. Pressuring someone into taking their own lives is not ok. It really doesn't sound like You is trying to make him kill himself in the last text messages. You has a plausible defense Show nested quote +
“I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula writes. “I’m leaving everyone.”
“ALEX,” You responds. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP.”
“You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” Urtula says. And then he stops responding. From the transcript, it appears that You continued to attempt to call and text Urtula despite his silence.
“please i need you,” she writes, each sentence a new message. “please. i need you so much please. i [expletive] love you like no [expletive] other please i’m so sorry. i’m so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE. PLEASE BE WITH ME MY LOVE PLEASE. [expletive] LOVE ME AND BE WITH ME O [expletive] LOVE YOU. PLEASE. please I’m so sorry i’m begging you please alex please. can you wait for 20 minutes please. PLEASE. DONT DO THIS PLEASE. IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE.“
Right after:
“do everyone a favor and go f---ing kill yourself,” calling him “WORTHLESS.” In another, she wrote, “I WANT TO BASH YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL” and told him to go smash his “HEAD ON THE SINK REPEATEDLY.”
Whether she is found guilty or not is up for grabs, that's what a court case is for after all. But in no way is this a case of "being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide." or in any way a precedent. It's just a regular case of someone being shitty, manipulative and abusive. Whether she is found guilty or not just depends on exactly how abuse they find her.
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On November 25 2019 02:58 redlightdistrict wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2019 16:47 Excludos wrote:On November 24 2019 09:25 redlightdistrict wrote:You has been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the involvement in a Man's taking his own life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-charged-boyfriends-suicide-being-145546553.html
You, dressed in a white sweater and black pants, didn’t speak during the proceedings. She was taken into custody in handcuffs after the judge set her bail at $5,000. She posted bail soon afterward and was released.
You, who was born in South Korea and is a naturalized U.S. citizen, was also ordered to surrender her passport and remain in Massachusetts. Her next court date is in January, and her case won’t go to trial until November 2020.
Prosecutors say You and Alexander Urtula, 22, of Cedar Grove, New Jersey, exchanged more than 75,000 texts in the last two months of their turbulent, 18-month relationship, with You sending the majority of them.
They say You isolated Urtula from his friends, urged him multiple times to “go kill yourself” and called him “worthless” in a constant barrage of messages.
Urtula died in Boston on May 20, just minutes before his Boston College graduation.
During You’s arraignment, assistant prosecutor Caitlin Grasso said the two Boston College students had met through the university’s Filipino student society.
But You, she said, became upset after learning Urtula was still communicating with an ex-girlfriend.
Grasso read from some of the thousands messages You sent to Urtula, many laden with expletives and sent in one-word bursts and capital letters.
She also detailed how You, who withdrew from the university over the summer, forced Urtula to block his friends on social media and regularly monitored his location through his smartphone’s GPS.
If you is convicted, this could set a prescient in America for people being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide. This is a real life case of Sydney Barringer from the movie Magnolia + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec51smvcsDY Did you even read the whole case? This is mental abuse in this case was on another level. They sent 75000 messages over the course of 2 months, and she would pressure him into answering at any time to the detriment of sleep. She also repeatedly told him to go kill himself, or she would. The messages, which are public, are horrible. Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened, so there's no precedent to set. Pressuring someone into taking their own lives is not ok. It really doesn't sound like You is trying to make him kill himself in the last text messages. You has a plausible defense Show nested quote +
“I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula writes. “I’m leaving everyone.”
“ALEX,” You responds. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP.”
“You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” Urtula says. And then he stops responding. From the transcript, it appears that You continued to attempt to call and text Urtula despite his silence.
“please i need you,” she writes, each sentence a new message. “please. i need you so much please. i [expletive] love you like no [expletive] other please i’m so sorry. i’m so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE. PLEASE BE WITH ME MY LOVE PLEASE. [expletive] LOVE ME AND BE WITH ME O [expletive] LOVE YOU. PLEASE. please I’m so sorry i’m begging you please alex please. can you wait for 20 minutes please. PLEASE. DONT DO THIS PLEASE. IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE.“
RBG was in the hospital again for the second time this month. https://apnews.com/59ece692dd804865bac9df546549ab70Trump must have all his potential nominees on speed dial if/when she is ruled incapable of preforming her duties so he can jam his nominee in before the 2020 election shaping the Supreme Court for the next 40 years.
Sounds like the realization that all the shitty things you have done are about to come home to roost.
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On November 25 2019 03:32 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2019 02:58 redlightdistrict wrote:On November 24 2019 16:47 Excludos wrote:On November 24 2019 09:25 redlightdistrict wrote:You has been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the involvement in a Man's taking his own life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-charged-boyfriends-suicide-being-145546553.html
You, dressed in a white sweater and black pants, didn’t speak during the proceedings. She was taken into custody in handcuffs after the judge set her bail at $5,000. She posted bail soon afterward and was released.
You, who was born in South Korea and is a naturalized U.S. citizen, was also ordered to surrender her passport and remain in Massachusetts. Her next court date is in January, and her case won’t go to trial until November 2020.
Prosecutors say You and Alexander Urtula, 22, of Cedar Grove, New Jersey, exchanged more than 75,000 texts in the last two months of their turbulent, 18-month relationship, with You sending the majority of them.
They say You isolated Urtula from his friends, urged him multiple times to “go kill yourself” and called him “worthless” in a constant barrage of messages.
Urtula died in Boston on May 20, just minutes before his Boston College graduation.
During You’s arraignment, assistant prosecutor Caitlin Grasso said the two Boston College students had met through the university’s Filipino student society.
But You, she said, became upset after learning Urtula was still communicating with an ex-girlfriend.
Grasso read from some of the thousands messages You sent to Urtula, many laden with expletives and sent in one-word bursts and capital letters.
She also detailed how You, who withdrew from the university over the summer, forced Urtula to block his friends on social media and regularly monitored his location through his smartphone’s GPS.
If you is convicted, this could set a prescient in America for people being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide. This is a real life case of Sydney Barringer from the movie Magnolia + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec51smvcsDY Did you even read the whole case? This is mental abuse in this case was on another level. They sent 75000 messages over the course of 2 months, and she would pressure him into answering at any time to the detriment of sleep. She also repeatedly told him to go kill himself, or she would. The messages, which are public, are horrible. Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened, so there's no precedent to set. Pressuring someone into taking their own lives is not ok. It really doesn't sound like You is trying to make him kill himself in the last text messages. You has a plausible defense
“I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula writes. “I’m leaving everyone.”
“ALEX,” You responds. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP.”
“You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” Urtula says. And then he stops responding. From the transcript, it appears that You continued to attempt to call and text Urtula despite his silence.
“please i need you,” she writes, each sentence a new message. “please. i need you so much please. i [expletive] love you like no [expletive] other please i’m so sorry. i’m so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE. PLEASE BE WITH ME MY LOVE PLEASE. [expletive] LOVE ME AND BE WITH ME O [expletive] LOVE YOU. PLEASE. please I’m so sorry i’m begging you please alex please. can you wait for 20 minutes please. PLEASE. DONT DO THIS PLEASE. IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE.“
Right after: “do everyone a favor and go f---ing kill yourself,” calling him “WORTHLESS.” In another, she wrote, “I WANT TO BASH YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL” and told him to go smash his “HEAD ON THE SINK REPEATEDLY.” Whether she is found guilty or not is up for grabs, that's what a court case is for after all. But in no way is this a case of "being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide." or in any way a precedent. It's just a regular case of someone being shitty, manipulative and abusive. Whether she is found guilty or not just depends on exactly how abuse they find her.
It also brings into question if you is suffering from a personality disorder, addiction, or compulsion. You cant be completely lucid in the mind if you are firing off thousands of text messages a day, and that might make you eligible for a rehabilitation treatment facility instead of being sentenced to jail time.
For example, my friend has an 8 year old son that who developed severe pornography addiction and started to act aggressively sexual with the girls in his 2nd grade classroom. Instead of a judge ruling him guilty of rape, and sending him to juvenile hall, the judge ruled the son to have therapy and meet with a psychologist.
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8 years old. Severe porn addiction. There's a lot wrong with that part of the sentence.
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On November 25 2019 02:58 redlightdistrict wrote:It really doesn't sound like You is trying to make him kill himself in the last text messages. You has a plausible defense Show nested quote +
“I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula writes. “I’m leaving everyone.”
“ALEX,” You responds. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP.”
“You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” Urtula says. And then he stops responding. From the transcript, it appears that You continued to attempt to call and text Urtula despite his silence.
“please i need you,” she writes, each sentence a new message. “please. i need you so much please. i [expletive] love you like no [expletive] other please i’m so sorry. i’m so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE. PLEASE BE WITH ME MY LOVE PLEASE. [expletive] LOVE ME AND BE WITH ME O [expletive] LOVE YOU. PLEASE. please I’m so sorry i’m begging you please alex please. can you wait for 20 minutes please. PLEASE. DONT DO THIS PLEASE. IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE.“
"If you love me (do this)" is classic emotionally abusive behavior.
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Northern Ireland25488 Posts
On November 25 2019 05:17 redlightdistrict wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2019 03:32 Excludos wrote:On November 25 2019 02:58 redlightdistrict wrote:On November 24 2019 16:47 Excludos wrote:On November 24 2019 09:25 redlightdistrict wrote:You has been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the involvement in a Man's taking his own life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-charged-boyfriends-suicide-being-145546553.html
You, dressed in a white sweater and black pants, didn’t speak during the proceedings. She was taken into custody in handcuffs after the judge set her bail at $5,000. She posted bail soon afterward and was released.
You, who was born in South Korea and is a naturalized U.S. citizen, was also ordered to surrender her passport and remain in Massachusetts. Her next court date is in January, and her case won’t go to trial until November 2020.
Prosecutors say You and Alexander Urtula, 22, of Cedar Grove, New Jersey, exchanged more than 75,000 texts in the last two months of their turbulent, 18-month relationship, with You sending the majority of them.
They say You isolated Urtula from his friends, urged him multiple times to “go kill yourself” and called him “worthless” in a constant barrage of messages.
Urtula died in Boston on May 20, just minutes before his Boston College graduation.
During You’s arraignment, assistant prosecutor Caitlin Grasso said the two Boston College students had met through the university’s Filipino student society.
But You, she said, became upset after learning Urtula was still communicating with an ex-girlfriend.
Grasso read from some of the thousands messages You sent to Urtula, many laden with expletives and sent in one-word bursts and capital letters.
She also detailed how You, who withdrew from the university over the summer, forced Urtula to block his friends on social media and regularly monitored his location through his smartphone’s GPS.
If you is convicted, this could set a prescient in America for people being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide. This is a real life case of Sydney Barringer from the movie Magnolia + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec51smvcsDY Did you even read the whole case? This is mental abuse in this case was on another level. They sent 75000 messages over the course of 2 months, and she would pressure him into answering at any time to the detriment of sleep. She also repeatedly told him to go kill himself, or she would. The messages, which are public, are horrible. Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened, so there's no precedent to set. Pressuring someone into taking their own lives is not ok. It really doesn't sound like You is trying to make him kill himself in the last text messages. You has a plausible defense
“I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula writes. “I’m leaving everyone.”
“ALEX,” You responds. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP.”
“You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” Urtula says. And then he stops responding. From the transcript, it appears that You continued to attempt to call and text Urtula despite his silence.
“please i need you,” she writes, each sentence a new message. “please. i need you so much please. i [expletive] love you like no [expletive] other please i’m so sorry. i’m so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE. PLEASE BE WITH ME MY LOVE PLEASE. [expletive] LOVE ME AND BE WITH ME O [expletive] LOVE YOU. PLEASE. please I’m so sorry i’m begging you please alex please. can you wait for 20 minutes please. PLEASE. DONT DO THIS PLEASE. IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE.“
Right after: “do everyone a favor and go f---ing kill yourself,” calling him “WORTHLESS.” In another, she wrote, “I WANT TO BASH YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL” and told him to go smash his “HEAD ON THE SINK REPEATEDLY.” Whether she is found guilty or not is up for grabs, that's what a court case is for after all. But in no way is this a case of "being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide." or in any way a precedent. It's just a regular case of someone being shitty, manipulative and abusive. Whether she is found guilty or not just depends on exactly how abuse they find her. It also brings into question if you is suffering from a personality disorder, addiction, or compulsion. You cant be completely lucid in the mind if you are firing off thousands of text messages a day, and that might make you eligible for a rehabilitation treatment facility instead of being sentenced to jail time. For example, my friend has an 8 year old son that who developed severe pornography addiction and started to act aggressively sexual with the girls in his 2nd grade classroom. Instead of a judge ruling him guilty of rape, and sending him to juvenile hall, the judge ruled the son to have therapy and meet with a psychologist.
You can have those issues without it spilling over into malicious acts.
Yes any mitigating factors should be taken into account and appropriate therapy or whatever looked into too, at the end of the day somebody is dead.
In the case of the 8 year old porn fiend I mean yes that seems appropriate rather than locking him up, equally those issues should never have gotten to the stage they did
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On November 25 2019 05:17 redlightdistrict wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2019 03:32 Excludos wrote:On November 25 2019 02:58 redlightdistrict wrote:On November 24 2019 16:47 Excludos wrote:On November 24 2019 09:25 redlightdistrict wrote:You has been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the involvement in a Man's taking his own life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-charged-boyfriends-suicide-being-145546553.html
You, dressed in a white sweater and black pants, didn’t speak during the proceedings. She was taken into custody in handcuffs after the judge set her bail at $5,000. She posted bail soon afterward and was released.
You, who was born in South Korea and is a naturalized U.S. citizen, was also ordered to surrender her passport and remain in Massachusetts. Her next court date is in January, and her case won’t go to trial until November 2020.
Prosecutors say You and Alexander Urtula, 22, of Cedar Grove, New Jersey, exchanged more than 75,000 texts in the last two months of their turbulent, 18-month relationship, with You sending the majority of them.
They say You isolated Urtula from his friends, urged him multiple times to “go kill yourself” and called him “worthless” in a constant barrage of messages.
Urtula died in Boston on May 20, just minutes before his Boston College graduation.
During You’s arraignment, assistant prosecutor Caitlin Grasso said the two Boston College students had met through the university’s Filipino student society.
But You, she said, became upset after learning Urtula was still communicating with an ex-girlfriend.
Grasso read from some of the thousands messages You sent to Urtula, many laden with expletives and sent in one-word bursts and capital letters.
She also detailed how You, who withdrew from the university over the summer, forced Urtula to block his friends on social media and regularly monitored his location through his smartphone’s GPS.
If you is convicted, this could set a prescient in America for people being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide. This is a real life case of Sydney Barringer from the movie Magnolia + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec51smvcsDY Did you even read the whole case? This is mental abuse in this case was on another level. They sent 75000 messages over the course of 2 months, and she would pressure him into answering at any time to the detriment of sleep. She also repeatedly told him to go kill himself, or she would. The messages, which are public, are horrible. Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened, so there's no precedent to set. Pressuring someone into taking their own lives is not ok. It really doesn't sound like You is trying to make him kill himself in the last text messages. You has a plausible defense
“I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula writes. “I’m leaving everyone.”
“ALEX,” You responds. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP.”
“You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” Urtula says. And then he stops responding. From the transcript, it appears that You continued to attempt to call and text Urtula despite his silence.
“please i need you,” she writes, each sentence a new message. “please. i need you so much please. i [expletive] love you like no [expletive] other please i’m so sorry. i’m so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE. PLEASE BE WITH ME MY LOVE PLEASE. [expletive] LOVE ME AND BE WITH ME O [expletive] LOVE YOU. PLEASE. please I’m so sorry i’m begging you please alex please. can you wait for 20 minutes please. PLEASE. DONT DO THIS PLEASE. IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE.“
Right after: “do everyone a favor and go f---ing kill yourself,” calling him “WORTHLESS.” In another, she wrote, “I WANT TO BASH YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL” and told him to go smash his “HEAD ON THE SINK REPEATEDLY.” Whether she is found guilty or not is up for grabs, that's what a court case is for after all. But in no way is this a case of "being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide." or in any way a precedent. It's just a regular case of someone being shitty, manipulative and abusive. Whether she is found guilty or not just depends on exactly how abuse they find her. It also brings into question if you is suffering from a personality disorder, addiction, or compulsion. You cant be completely lucid in the mind if you are firing off thousands of text messages a day, and that might make you eligible for a rehabilitation treatment facility instead of being sentenced to jail time.
This is a totally different argument
You have gone from "this is a clear case of someone being punished for another's actions" all the way to "but she was not in her right mind and can't be held accountable."
That defense would be available even if she had outright stabbed him. Your original premise, that this is a groundbreaking and dangerous precedent, is false. Move on.
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On November 25 2019 00:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Forever-Republican Michael Bloomberg has finally *officially* announced that he's running as a super-centrist billionaire candidate for the Democratic primary. (One of many sources: https://news.yahoo.com/michael-bloomberg-launches-democratic-presidential-150121155.html ) Maybe he'll sap popularity from other moderate, traditional candidates like Joe Biden? He obviously won't win, but maybe it'll be a net benefit for Warren and Sanders?
I don't think Bloomberg has any intention of winning the Democratic nomination, I think he's running to position himself for the option of being the centrist spoiler in a Sanders vs Trump general.
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On November 25 2019 11:44 GreenHorizons wrote:I don't think Bloomberg has any intention of winning the Democratic nomination, I think he's running to position himself for the option of being the centrist spoiler in a Sanders vs Trump general.
So he's actively trying to sabotage the general election so that Trump can win? He can't win the presidency, so he wants to make sure a progressive doesn't win at all? (And what if Biden wins the primary, since Biden is also a centrist? Would Bloomberg still run for the hell of it, just to make the Democrats lose?)
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I think Bloomberg is running to try to push the scales towards a brokered convention?
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On November 25 2019 06:06 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2019 06:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 25 2019 05:17 redlightdistrict wrote:On November 25 2019 03:32 Excludos wrote:On November 25 2019 02:58 redlightdistrict wrote:On November 24 2019 16:47 Excludos wrote:On November 24 2019 09:25 redlightdistrict wrote:You has been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the involvement in a Man's taking his own life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-charged-boyfriends-suicide-being-145546553.html
You, dressed in a white sweater and black pants, didn’t speak during the proceedings. She was taken into custody in handcuffs after the judge set her bail at $5,000. She posted bail soon afterward and was released.
You, who was born in South Korea and is a naturalized U.S. citizen, was also ordered to surrender her passport and remain in Massachusetts. Her next court date is in January, and her case won’t go to trial until November 2020.
Prosecutors say You and Alexander Urtula, 22, of Cedar Grove, New Jersey, exchanged more than 75,000 texts in the last two months of their turbulent, 18-month relationship, with You sending the majority of them.
They say You isolated Urtula from his friends, urged him multiple times to “go kill yourself” and called him “worthless” in a constant barrage of messages.
Urtula died in Boston on May 20, just minutes before his Boston College graduation.
During You’s arraignment, assistant prosecutor Caitlin Grasso said the two Boston College students had met through the university’s Filipino student society.
But You, she said, became upset after learning Urtula was still communicating with an ex-girlfriend.
Grasso read from some of the thousands messages You sent to Urtula, many laden with expletives and sent in one-word bursts and capital letters.
She also detailed how You, who withdrew from the university over the summer, forced Urtula to block his friends on social media and regularly monitored his location through his smartphone’s GPS.
If you is convicted, this could set a prescient in America for people being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide. This is a real life case of Sydney Barringer from the movie Magnolia + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec51smvcsDY Did you even read the whole case? This is mental abuse in this case was on another level. They sent 75000 messages over the course of 2 months, and she would pressure him into answering at any time to the detriment of sleep. She also repeatedly told him to go kill himself, or she would. The messages, which are public, are horrible. Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened, so there's no precedent to set. Pressuring someone into taking their own lives is not ok. It really doesn't sound like You is trying to make him kill himself in the last text messages. You has a plausible defense
“I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula writes. “I’m leaving everyone.”
“ALEX,” You responds. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP.”
“You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” Urtula says. And then he stops responding. From the transcript, it appears that You continued to attempt to call and text Urtula despite his silence.
“please i need you,” she writes, each sentence a new message. “please. i need you so much please. i [expletive] love you like no [expletive] other please i’m so sorry. i’m so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE. PLEASE BE WITH ME MY LOVE PLEASE. [expletive] LOVE ME AND BE WITH ME O [expletive] LOVE YOU. PLEASE. please I’m so sorry i’m begging you please alex please. can you wait for 20 minutes please. PLEASE. DONT DO THIS PLEASE. IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE.“
Right after: “do everyone a favor and go f---ing kill yourself,” calling him “WORTHLESS.” In another, she wrote, “I WANT TO BASH YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL” and told him to go smash his “HEAD ON THE SINK REPEATEDLY.” Whether she is found guilty or not is up for grabs, that's what a court case is for after all. But in no way is this a case of "being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide." or in any way a precedent. It's just a regular case of someone being shitty, manipulative and abusive. Whether she is found guilty or not just depends on exactly how abuse they find her. It also brings into question if you is suffering from a personality disorder, addiction, or compulsion. You cant be completely lucid in the mind if you are firing off thousands of text messages a day, and that might make you eligible for a rehabilitation treatment facility instead of being sentenced to jail time. For example, my friend has an 8 year old son that who developed severe pornography addiction and started to act aggressively sexual with the girls in his 2nd grade classroom. Instead of a judge ruling him guilty of rape, and sending him to juvenile hall, the judge ruled the son to have therapy and meet with a psychologist. You can have those issues without it spilling over into malicious acts. Yes any mitigating factors should be taken into account and appropriate therapy or whatever looked into too, at the end of the day somebody is dead. In the case of the 8 year old porn fiend I mean yes that seems appropriate rather than locking him up, equally those issues should never have gotten to the stage they did If an 8 year old has a porn addiction it is probably time to remove the kid from the home. You can totally control what your kid watches at that age and stage. If this is a real story you need to tell you friend the parent to get counseling and take some control back. Scares me to think this true and if that parent is still looking after the child I'm super worried about the child and any other children in the home.
As sad as it is, a grade-schooler (8 is a bit younger than normal but certainly 10+) that views hardcore pornography compulsively and has issues with it affecting their behavior is probably far more common than people realize and typically parents are just as oblivious.
In the last five or so years, smartphones are ubiquitously given to 10-12-year-olds and there's little policing going on of their internet traffic by and large. Hardcore pornography is consumed easily by 4th, 5th and 6th graders all the time.
It's really a massive problem, and its still such a taboo that often parents and children never broach the subject even if its been a negative habit for so long. Most people consume porn and I think in the majority of cases people can consume it benignly but it does have an effect and I've known kids who are pretty messed up by it.
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On November 25 2019 14:24 Gorgonoth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2019 06:06 JimmiC wrote:On November 25 2019 06:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 25 2019 05:17 redlightdistrict wrote:On November 25 2019 03:32 Excludos wrote:On November 25 2019 02:58 redlightdistrict wrote:On November 24 2019 16:47 Excludos wrote:On November 24 2019 09:25 redlightdistrict wrote:You has been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the involvement in a Man's taking his own life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-charged-boyfriends-suicide-being-145546553.html
You, dressed in a white sweater and black pants, didn’t speak during the proceedings. She was taken into custody in handcuffs after the judge set her bail at $5,000. She posted bail soon afterward and was released.
You, who was born in South Korea and is a naturalized U.S. citizen, was also ordered to surrender her passport and remain in Massachusetts. Her next court date is in January, and her case won’t go to trial until November 2020.
Prosecutors say You and Alexander Urtula, 22, of Cedar Grove, New Jersey, exchanged more than 75,000 texts in the last two months of their turbulent, 18-month relationship, with You sending the majority of them.
They say You isolated Urtula from his friends, urged him multiple times to “go kill yourself” and called him “worthless” in a constant barrage of messages.
Urtula died in Boston on May 20, just minutes before his Boston College graduation.
During You’s arraignment, assistant prosecutor Caitlin Grasso said the two Boston College students had met through the university’s Filipino student society.
But You, she said, became upset after learning Urtula was still communicating with an ex-girlfriend.
Grasso read from some of the thousands messages You sent to Urtula, many laden with expletives and sent in one-word bursts and capital letters.
She also detailed how You, who withdrew from the university over the summer, forced Urtula to block his friends on social media and regularly monitored his location through his smartphone’s GPS.
If you is convicted, this could set a prescient in America for people being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide. This is a real life case of Sydney Barringer from the movie Magnolia + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec51smvcsDY Did you even read the whole case? This is mental abuse in this case was on another level. They sent 75000 messages over the course of 2 months, and she would pressure him into answering at any time to the detriment of sleep. She also repeatedly told him to go kill himself, or she would. The messages, which are public, are horrible. Besides, this isn't the first time this has happened, so there's no precedent to set. Pressuring someone into taking their own lives is not ok. It really doesn't sound like You is trying to make him kill himself in the last text messages. You has a plausible defense
“I’m far away on a tall place and I’m not gonna be here for long,” Urtula writes. “I’m leaving everyone.”
“ALEX,” You responds. “WHAT SRE YOU [expletive] DOING. IF U [expletive] LOVE ME STOP.”
“You’ll have everything once I’m gone,” Urtula says. And then he stops responding. From the transcript, it appears that You continued to attempt to call and text Urtula despite his silence.
“please i need you,” she writes, each sentence a new message. “please. i need you so much please. i [expletive] love you like no [expletive] other please i’m so sorry. i’m so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE. PLEASE BE WITH ME MY LOVE PLEASE. [expletive] LOVE ME AND BE WITH ME O [expletive] LOVE YOU. PLEASE. please I’m so sorry i’m begging you please alex please. can you wait for 20 minutes please. PLEASE. DONT DO THIS PLEASE. IM BEGGING YOU PLEASE.“
Right after: “do everyone a favor and go f---ing kill yourself,” calling him “WORTHLESS.” In another, she wrote, “I WANT TO BASH YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL” and told him to go smash his “HEAD ON THE SINK REPEATEDLY.” Whether she is found guilty or not is up for grabs, that's what a court case is for after all. But in no way is this a case of "being held accountable for someone's else choice to commit suicide." or in any way a precedent. It's just a regular case of someone being shitty, manipulative and abusive. Whether she is found guilty or not just depends on exactly how abuse they find her. It also brings into question if you is suffering from a personality disorder, addiction, or compulsion. You cant be completely lucid in the mind if you are firing off thousands of text messages a day, and that might make you eligible for a rehabilitation treatment facility instead of being sentenced to jail time. For example, my friend has an 8 year old son that who developed severe pornography addiction and started to act aggressively sexual with the girls in his 2nd grade classroom. Instead of a judge ruling him guilty of rape, and sending him to juvenile hall, the judge ruled the son to have therapy and meet with a psychologist. You can have those issues without it spilling over into malicious acts. Yes any mitigating factors should be taken into account and appropriate therapy or whatever looked into too, at the end of the day somebody is dead. In the case of the 8 year old porn fiend I mean yes that seems appropriate rather than locking him up, equally those issues should never have gotten to the stage they did If an 8 year old has a porn addiction it is probably time to remove the kid from the home. You can totally control what your kid watches at that age and stage. If this is a real story you need to tell you friend the parent to get counseling and take some control back. Scares me to think this true and if that parent is still looking after the child I'm super worried about the child and any other children in the home. As sad as it is, a grade-schooler (8 is a bit younger than normal but certainly 10+) that views hardcore pornography compulsively and has issues with it affecting their behavior is probably far more common than people realize and typically parents are just as oblivious. In the last five or so years, smartphones are ubiquitously given to 10-12-year-olds and there's little policing going on of their internet traffic by and large. Hardcore pornography is consumed easily by 4th, 5th and 6th graders all the time. It's really a massive problem, and its still such a taboo that often parents and children never broach the subject even if its been a negative habit for so long. Most people consume porn and I think in the majority of cases people can consume it benignly but it does have an effect and I've known kids who are pretty messed up by it.
You can rationalize it all you want, bad parenting is bad parenting.
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On November 25 2019 13:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2019 11:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 25 2019 00:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Forever-Republican Michael Bloomberg has finally *officially* announced that he's running as a super-centrist billionaire candidate for the Democratic primary. (One of many sources: https://news.yahoo.com/michael-bloomberg-launches-democratic-presidential-150121155.html ) Maybe he'll sap popularity from other moderate, traditional candidates like Joe Biden? He obviously won't win, but maybe it'll be a net benefit for Warren and Sanders? I don't think Bloomberg has any intention of winning the Democratic nomination, I think he's running to position himself for the option of being the centrist spoiler in a Sanders vs Trump general. So he's actively trying to sabotage the general election so that Trump can win? He can't win the presidency, so he wants to make sure a progressive doesn't win at all? (And what if Biden wins the primary, since Biden is also a centrist? Would Bloomberg still run for the hell of it, just to make the Democrats lose?)
He's the establishments plan Z to stop Bernie imo. They'd rather lose to Trump than see Bernie win, you can see it in the media coverage, or when people like Manchin just outright say it.
On November 25 2019 13:59 Gorgonoth wrote:
I think Bloomberg is running to try to push the scales towards a brokered convention?
Certainly a hope of his and the establishment imo.
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Ahh, the Bloomberg conspiracy to stop Bernie, that must be it. It couldn't possibly be a billionaire with an over-inflated ego who thinks that he should be the one to run things. He sees a front-runner in Biden who can't gain traction and is a walking gaffe machine. He sees Warren and Bernie who turn off large swathes of Americans (most Americans are not progressives and don't want progressive policies, sorry). And then he sees Buttigieg who is the mayor of a mid sized town, that's his resume. In that weak field, Buttigieg has gained some following as his name and message gets out, but he's still far from a strong candidate. You don't think Bloomberg sees that field and says, "I can beat those guys"?
Bloomberg's run is not a conspiracy against Bernie. Its a billionaire who thinks very highly of himself, who hates Trump, and thinks that he can do a lot better than Trump and the current candidates. I don't support him because he didn't have the guts to get in the race on time and actually debate the other candidates. He can't just buy my vote with a bunch of ads and I think the majority feel the same way. However, I still pick him 1000 times over Trump.
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