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I'm reminded of this article on why white (and/or white adjacent) people think there is "anti-whiteness" everywhere they look.
“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Equality can feel like oppression. But it’s not. What you’re feeling is just the discomfort of losing a little bit of your privilege — the same discomfort that an only child feels when she goes to preschool and discovers that there are other kids who want to play with the same toys as she does. All this anger we see from people screaming “All Lives Matter” in response to black protesters at rallies. All this anger we see from people insisting that their “religious freedom” is being infringed because a gay couple wants to get married . All these people angry about immigrants, angry about Muslims, angry about “Happy Holidays,” angry about not being able to say bigoted things without being called a bigot…+ Show Spoiler +They all basically boil down to people who have grown accustomed to walking straight at other folks, and expecting them to move. So when “those people” in their path don’t move — when those people start wondering, “Why am I always moving out of this guy’s way?”; when those people start asking themselves, “What if I didn’t move? What if I just kept walking too?”; when those people start believing that they have every bit as much right to that aisle as anyone else — it can seem like their rights are being taken away.
www.gcorr.org
They even see anti-white racism, divisive, fight-starting in capitalization while seeing white supremacist propaganda as conciliatory lol.
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On July 18 2019 06:57 KwarK wrote:
There aren’t no go zones in Sweden, that’s a thing Trump made up after watching a documentary on Fox and then confusingly tweeted about as “what happened in Sweden last night” when he meant “what I saw on tv last night, about Sweden”. Nowhere in Sweden is as dangerous as The Warzone (or as the city suggests we call it, the international district) in my US city and The Warzone is 100% safe during the day and has always been fine for me at night.
Also Africa used to be rich and still has vast wealth in natural resources. Colonists went there with guns and plundered it. The primary fear of white supremacists is not that society will fall apart if they lose power, it’s that it won’t. It’s that the institutions they created to abuse and exploit minorities will be used against them.
Thats not accurate. Maybe Trump blew things out of proportion by calling them no go zones, but there are problem areas in certain places in Sweden where even the police will advise people against going in there.
Tim Pool, on a interview following his visit mentioned how the police advised him against going into a certain neighborhood of Stockholm. He also interviewed a someone who works in the government there there and they mentioned that crime rates have increased in the problem areas.
Sounds to me like integration certainly failed there.
I'll throw you another example. Lauren Southern went on visit to Australia and went into a majority muslim neighborhood. Someone called the police, they didn't arrest her but warned her against going to the mosque as they feared her mere presence could provoke an incident.
When you have the police warning you from going into certain areas/neighborhoods it definitely seems to me like something went wrong.
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On July 18 2019 07:29 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 06:57 KwarK wrote:
There aren’t no go zones in Sweden, that’s a thing Trump made up after watching a documentary on Fox and then confusingly tweeted about as “what happened in Sweden last night” when he meant “what I saw on tv last night, about Sweden”. Nowhere in Sweden is as dangerous as The Warzone (or as the city suggests we call it, the international district) in my US city and The Warzone is 100% safe during the day and has always been fine for me at night.
Also Africa used to be rich and still has vast wealth in natural resources. Colonists went there with guns and plundered it. The primary fear of white supremacists is not that society will fall apart if they lose power, it’s that it won’t. It’s that the institutions they created to abuse and exploit minorities will be used against them. Thats not accurate. Maybe Trump blew things out of proportion by calling them no go zones, but there are problem areas in certain places in Sweden where even the police will advise people against going in there. Tim Pool, on a interview following his visit mentioned how the police advised him against going into a certain neighborhood of Stockholm. He also interviewed a someone who works in the government there there and they mentioned that crime rates have increased in the problem areas. Sounds to me like integration certainly failed there. I'll throw you another example. Lauren Southern went on visit to Australia and went into a majority muslim neighborhood. Someone called the police, they didn't arrest her but warned her against going to the mosque as they feared her mere presence could provoke an incident. When you have the police warning you from going into certain areas/neighborhoods it definitely seems to me like something went wrong.
Curious choice of an example to pick. So what does it say when groups tell minorities to not travel to missouri kansas or alabama because of racist or discriminatory laws? Or other nnations warning their citizens to be careful traveling to America? Surely something went wrong, no?
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On July 18 2019 07:36 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 07:29 Destructicon wrote:On July 18 2019 06:57 KwarK wrote:
There aren’t no go zones in Sweden, that’s a thing Trump made up after watching a documentary on Fox and then confusingly tweeted about as “what happened in Sweden last night” when he meant “what I saw on tv last night, about Sweden”. Nowhere in Sweden is as dangerous as The Warzone (or as the city suggests we call it, the international district) in my US city and The Warzone is 100% safe during the day and has always been fine for me at night.
Also Africa used to be rich and still has vast wealth in natural resources. Colonists went there with guns and plundered it. The primary fear of white supremacists is not that society will fall apart if they lose power, it’s that it won’t. It’s that the institutions they created to abuse and exploit minorities will be used against them. Thats not accurate. Maybe Trump blew things out of proportion by calling them no go zones, but there are problem areas in certain places in Sweden where even the police will advise people against going in there. Tim Pool, on a interview following his visit mentioned how the police advised him against going into a certain neighborhood of Stockholm. He also interviewed a someone who works in the government there there and they mentioned that crime rates have increased in the problem areas. Sounds to me like integration certainly failed there. I'll throw you another example. Lauren Southern went on visit to Australia and went into a majority muslim neighborhood. Someone called the police, they didn't arrest her but warned her against going to the mosque as they feared her mere presence could provoke an incident. When you have the police warning you from going into certain areas/neighborhoods it definitely seems to me like something went wrong. Curious choice of an example to pick. So what does it say when groups tell minorities to not travel to missouri kansas or alabama because of racist or discriminatory laws? Or other nnations warning their citizens to be careful traveling to America? Surely something went wrong, no?
I think it's been pretty incontrovertibly demonstrated that Europeans completely failed to assimilate the cultural values of Turtle Island inhabitants when they immigrated here.
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On July 18 2019 07:36 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 07:29 Destructicon wrote:On July 18 2019 06:57 KwarK wrote:
There aren’t no go zones in Sweden, that’s a thing Trump made up after watching a documentary on Fox and then confusingly tweeted about as “what happened in Sweden last night” when he meant “what I saw on tv last night, about Sweden”. Nowhere in Sweden is as dangerous as The Warzone (or as the city suggests we call it, the international district) in my US city and The Warzone is 100% safe during the day and has always been fine for me at night.
Also Africa used to be rich and still has vast wealth in natural resources. Colonists went there with guns and plundered it. The primary fear of white supremacists is not that society will fall apart if they lose power, it’s that it won’t. It’s that the institutions they created to abuse and exploit minorities will be used against them. Thats not accurate. Maybe Trump blew things out of proportion by calling them no go zones, but there are problem areas in certain places in Sweden where even the police will advise people against going in there. Tim Pool, on a interview following his visit mentioned how the police advised him against going into a certain neighborhood of Stockholm. He also interviewed a someone who works in the government there there and they mentioned that crime rates have increased in the problem areas. Sounds to me like integration certainly failed there. I'll throw you another example. Lauren Southern went on visit to Australia and went into a majority muslim neighborhood. Someone called the police, they didn't arrest her but warned her against going to the mosque as they feared her mere presence could provoke an incident. When you have the police warning you from going into certain areas/neighborhoods it definitely seems to me like something went wrong. Curious choice of an example to pick. So what does it say when groups tell minorities to not travel to missouri kansas or alabama because of racist or discriminatory laws? Or other nnations warning their citizens to be careful traveling to America? Surely something went wrong, no?
On the face of it, what you describe is equally bad, but I want to understand more context.
Are you at risk of being beaten or worse if you travel to Missouri, Kansas or Alabama?
Also what nation has warned their citizens against traveling to America? I also visited the US briefly last year and I didn't receive any warning from my country.
In what context was the warning issued?
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On July 18 2019 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:I'm reminded of this article on why white (and/or white adjacent) people think there is "anti-whiteness" everywhere they look. Show nested quote +“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Equality can feel like oppression. But it’s not. What you’re feeling is just the discomfort of losing a little bit of your privilege — the same discomfort that an only child feels when she goes to preschool and discovers that there are other kids who want to play with the same toys as she does. All this anger we see from people screaming “All Lives Matter” in response to black protesters at rallies. All this anger we see from people insisting that their “religious freedom” is being infringed because a gay couple wants to get married . All these people angry about immigrants, angry about Muslims, angry about “Happy Holidays,” angry about not being able to say bigoted things without being called a bigot…+ Show Spoiler +They all basically boil down to people who have grown accustomed to walking straight at other folks, and expecting them to move. So when “those people” in their path don’t move — when those people start wondering, “Why am I always moving out of this guy’s way?”; when those people start asking themselves, “What if I didn’t move? What if I just kept walking too?”; when those people start believing that they have every bit as much right to that aisle as anyone else — it can seem like their rights are being taken away. www.gcorr.orgThey even see anti-white racism, divisive, fight-starting in capitalization while seeing white supremacist propaganda as conciliatory lol.
Yeah that basically boils down to the argument of "I've enjoyed privilege my entire life, so evening out the playing field for everyone else and taking away my free unearned entitlements isn't fair!" The level of offense that white people feel when being told that black lives also matter reminds me of Christians flipping out when they have to share public space with other religions, rituals, and icons, or when men interpret the support of women as the tearing down of men.
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On July 18 2019 07:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:I'm reminded of this article on why white (and/or white adjacent) people think there is "anti-whiteness" everywhere they look. “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Equality can feel like oppression. But it’s not. What you’re feeling is just the discomfort of losing a little bit of your privilege — the same discomfort that an only child feels when she goes to preschool and discovers that there are other kids who want to play with the same toys as she does. All this anger we see from people screaming “All Lives Matter” in response to black protesters at rallies. All this anger we see from people insisting that their “religious freedom” is being infringed because a gay couple wants to get married . All these people angry about immigrants, angry about Muslims, angry about “Happy Holidays,” angry about not being able to say bigoted things without being called a bigot…+ Show Spoiler +They all basically boil down to people who have grown accustomed to walking straight at other folks, and expecting them to move. So when “those people” in their path don’t move — when those people start wondering, “Why am I always moving out of this guy’s way?”; when those people start asking themselves, “What if I didn’t move? What if I just kept walking too?”; when those people start believing that they have every bit as much right to that aisle as anyone else — it can seem like their rights are being taken away. They even see anti-white racism, divisive, fight-starting in capitalization while seeing white supremacist propaganda as conciliatory lol. Yeah that basically boils down to the argument of "I've enjoyed privilege my entire life, so evening out the playing field for everyone else and taking away my free unearned entitlements isn't fair!" The level of offense that white people feel when being told that black lives also matter reminds me of Christians flipping out when they have to share public space with other religions, rituals, and icons, or when men interpret the support of women as the tearing down of men.
Trump’s freak out over red Starbucks cups is the iconic example of this kind of entitlement in my opinion. For whatever reason American Christians decided that they deserved Starbucks cups devoted to their holidays and therefore when Starbucks decided to cater to everyone equally they lost their custard over it. It’s the perfect intersection of petty and disconnected.
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On July 18 2019 07:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:I'm reminded of this article on why white (and/or white adjacent) people think there is "anti-whiteness" everywhere they look. “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Equality can feel like oppression. But it’s not. What you’re feeling is just the discomfort of losing a little bit of your privilege — the same discomfort that an only child feels when she goes to preschool and discovers that there are other kids who want to play with the same toys as she does. All this anger we see from people screaming “All Lives Matter” in response to black protesters at rallies. All this anger we see from people insisting that their “religious freedom” is being infringed because a gay couple wants to get married . All these people angry about immigrants, angry about Muslims, angry about “Happy Holidays,” angry about not being able to say bigoted things without being called a bigot…+ Show Spoiler +They all basically boil down to people who have grown accustomed to walking straight at other folks, and expecting them to move. So when “those people” in their path don’t move — when those people start wondering, “Why am I always moving out of this guy’s way?”; when those people start asking themselves, “What if I didn’t move? What if I just kept walking too?”; when those people start believing that they have every bit as much right to that aisle as anyone else — it can seem like their rights are being taken away. They even see anti-white racism, divisive, fight-starting in capitalization while seeing white supremacist propaganda as conciliatory lol. Yeah that basically boils down to the argument of "I've enjoyed privilege my entire life, so evening out the playing field for everyone else and taking away my free unearned entitlements isn't fair!" The level of offense that white people feel when being told that black lives also matter reminds me of Christians flipping out when they have to share public space with other religions, rituals, and icons, or when men interpret the support of women as the tearing down of men.
While each struggle has it's own unique features, white/white adjacent men have been using slight variations of the same arguments for hundreds of years now. Every time, convincing themselves it's a novel perspective, unconsidered by those who ridicule it.
Feels like watching someone on a groundhogs day loop stuck in between discovering there's a problem and doing anything about it. It always ends with "tell me nicer how to fix it so I can more obnoxiously ignore it" then starts over.
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Trump's campaign rally or whatever should be interesting tonight....
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On July 18 2019 07:42 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 07:36 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 18 2019 07:29 Destructicon wrote:On July 18 2019 06:57 KwarK wrote:
There aren’t no go zones in Sweden, that’s a thing Trump made up after watching a documentary on Fox and then confusingly tweeted about as “what happened in Sweden last night” when he meant “what I saw on tv last night, about Sweden”. Nowhere in Sweden is as dangerous as The Warzone (or as the city suggests we call it, the international district) in my US city and The Warzone is 100% safe during the day and has always been fine for me at night.
Also Africa used to be rich and still has vast wealth in natural resources. Colonists went there with guns and plundered it. The primary fear of white supremacists is not that society will fall apart if they lose power, it’s that it won’t. It’s that the institutions they created to abuse and exploit minorities will be used against them. Thats not accurate. Maybe Trump blew things out of proportion by calling them no go zones, but there are problem areas in certain places in Sweden where even the police will advise people against going in there. Tim Pool, on a interview following his visit mentioned how the police advised him against going into a certain neighborhood of Stockholm. He also interviewed a someone who works in the government there there and they mentioned that crime rates have increased in the problem areas. Sounds to me like integration certainly failed there. I'll throw you another example. Lauren Southern went on visit to Australia and went into a majority muslim neighborhood. Someone called the police, they didn't arrest her but warned her against going to the mosque as they feared her mere presence could provoke an incident. When you have the police warning you from going into certain areas/neighborhoods it definitely seems to me like something went wrong. Curious choice of an example to pick. So what does it say when groups tell minorities to not travel to missouri kansas or alabama because of racist or discriminatory laws? Or other nnations warning their citizens to be careful traveling to America? Surely something went wrong, no? On the face of it, what you describe is equally bad, but I want to understand more context. Are you at risk of being beaten or worse if you travel to Missouri, Kansas or Alabama? Also what nation has warned their citizens against traveling to America? I also visited the US briefly last year and I didn't receive any warning from my country. In what context was the warning issued?
Have you heard of any of those states?
What nation/country are you from?
Depending on the answers to those, I can give you a better explanation.
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On July 18 2019 07:59 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 07:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 18 2019 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:I'm reminded of this article on why white (and/or white adjacent) people think there is "anti-whiteness" everywhere they look. “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Equality can feel like oppression. But it’s not. What you’re feeling is just the discomfort of losing a little bit of your privilege — the same discomfort that an only child feels when she goes to preschool and discovers that there are other kids who want to play with the same toys as she does. All this anger we see from people screaming “All Lives Matter” in response to black protesters at rallies. All this anger we see from people insisting that their “religious freedom” is being infringed because a gay couple wants to get married . All these people angry about immigrants, angry about Muslims, angry about “Happy Holidays,” angry about not being able to say bigoted things without being called a bigot…+ Show Spoiler +They all basically boil down to people who have grown accustomed to walking straight at other folks, and expecting them to move. So when “those people” in their path don’t move — when those people start wondering, “Why am I always moving out of this guy’s way?”; when those people start asking themselves, “What if I didn’t move? What if I just kept walking too?”; when those people start believing that they have every bit as much right to that aisle as anyone else — it can seem like their rights are being taken away. They even see anti-white racism, divisive, fight-starting in capitalization while seeing white supremacist propaganda as conciliatory lol. Yeah that basically boils down to the argument of "I've enjoyed privilege my entire life, so evening out the playing field for everyone else and taking away my free unearned entitlements isn't fair!" The level of offense that white people feel when being told that black lives also matter reminds me of Christians flipping out when they have to share public space with other religions, rituals, and icons, or when men interpret the support of women as the tearing down of men. While each struggle has it's own unique features, white/white adjacent men have been using slight variations of the same arguments for hundreds of years now. Every time, convincing themselves it's a novel perspective, unconsidered by those who ridicule it. Feels like watching someone on a groundhogs day loop stuck in between discovering there's a problem and doing anything about it. It always ends with "tell me nicer how to fix it so I can more obnoxiously ignore it" then starts over.
That's true... it's all about how indignant white people are when it comes to acknowledging the rights of others: how dare white slaveowners be forced to lose their "property"? -> how dare white people be forced to learn, eat, drink, and go to the bathroom in the same facilities as those who are "inferior"? -> how dare white people be forced to accept that systemic discrimination exists?... and the fact that that indignation isn't realized by white people as literally an example of that systemic discrimination is mind-boggling.
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On July 18 2019 08:00 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Trump's campaign rally or whatever should be interesting tonight....
Or scary. If this administration has reached the phase where our president has no problems being openly racist, and his aides instantly respond to journalists by asking them what their ethnicity is before answering their questions, this might be the beginning of things getting a whole lot worse for minorities in America. They feel like they don't need plausible deniability anymore. And they've already done shit at rallies that makes me nervous for anyone nearby.
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On July 18 2019 07:29 Destructicon wrote:
I'll throw you another example. Lauren Southern went on visit to Australia and went into a majority muslim neighborhood. Someone called the police, they didn't arrest her but warned her against going to the mosque as they feared her mere presence could provoke an incident.
When you have the police warning you from going into certain areas/neighborhoods it definitely seems to me like something went wrong. Do you really think that someone like Lauren Southern being warned against going to a mosque is the same as the police warning you from going into certain areas?
I am sure you have watched die hard 3. Or atleast the beginning.
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On July 18 2019 08:19 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 08:00 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Trump's campaign rally or whatever should be interesting tonight.... Or scary. If this administration has reached the phase where our president has no problems being openly racist, and his aides instantly respond to journalists by asking them what their ethnicity is before answering their questions, this might be the beginning of things getting a whole lot worse for minorities in America. They feel like they don't need plausible deniability anymore. And they've already done shit at rallies that makes me nervous for anyone nearby.
I feel like Trump's blatant racism has been pretty much normalized for some time now; even candidate Trump was clearly racist (and even home-renter Trump was clearly racist back in the day). It's not like Trump has mastered some 4-D dogwhistling, where his discrimination has been very subtle and nuanced up until this outburst. I don't think Trump's going to change what he's been saying or thinking for decades now, because he's never held accountable. It's really up to the Republican Party to stop Trump, because the Democrats can't do it alone. Sadly, the Republicans often just fall in line, because they worry that speaking out against the leader of their party would be political suicide.
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On July 18 2019 08:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 08:19 NewSunshine wrote:On July 18 2019 08:00 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Trump's campaign rally or whatever should be interesting tonight.... Or scary. If this administration has reached the phase where our president has no problems being openly racist, and his aides instantly respond to journalists by asking them what their ethnicity is before answering their questions, this might be the beginning of things getting a whole lot worse for minorities in America. They feel like they don't need plausible deniability anymore. And they've already done shit at rallies that makes me nervous for anyone nearby. I feel like Trump's blatant racism has been pretty much normalized for some time now; even candidate Trump was clearly racist (and even home-renter Trump was clearly racist back in the day). It's not like Trump has mastered some 4-D dogwhistling, where his discrimination has been very subtle and nuanced up until this outburst. I don't think Trump's going to change what he's been saying or thinking for decades now, because he's never held accountable. It's really up to the Republican Party to stop Trump, because the Democrats can't do it alone. Sadly, the Republicans often just fall in line, because they worry that speaking out against the leader of their party would be political suicide.
Have you considered a lot of Republicans (and a non-insignificant number of Democrats, think Northam) may agree with the sentiments and just believe the dog-whistles are a superior strategy?
Because they want to keep the racist ideas and policy without the identifier and that's a lot easier to manage with dog whistles and calls for consideration of Trump supporters feelings.
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On July 18 2019 08:00 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Trump's campaign rally or whatever should be interesting tonight....
Hard to watch him speak without becoming a dumber person.
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On July 18 2019 08:53 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 08:00 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Trump's campaign rally or whatever should be interesting tonight.... Hard to watch him speak without becoming a dumber person.
Dude is legit trying to incite civil war as only a moron of his caliber could and the crowd is eating it up.
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On July 18 2019 08:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 08:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 18 2019 08:19 NewSunshine wrote:On July 18 2019 08:00 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Trump's campaign rally or whatever should be interesting tonight.... Or scary. If this administration has reached the phase where our president has no problems being openly racist, and his aides instantly respond to journalists by asking them what their ethnicity is before answering their questions, this might be the beginning of things getting a whole lot worse for minorities in America. They feel like they don't need plausible deniability anymore. And they've already done shit at rallies that makes me nervous for anyone nearby. I feel like Trump's blatant racism has been pretty much normalized for some time now; even candidate Trump was clearly racist (and even home-renter Trump was clearly racist back in the day). It's not like Trump has mastered some 4-D dogwhistling, where his discrimination has been very subtle and nuanced up until this outburst. I don't think Trump's going to change what he's been saying or thinking for decades now, because he's never held accountable. It's really up to the Republican Party to stop Trump, because the Democrats can't do it alone. Sadly, the Republicans often just fall in line, because they worry that speaking out against the leader of their party would be political suicide. Have you considered a lot of Republicans (and a non-insignificant number of Democrats, think Northam) may agree with the sentiments and just believe the dog-whistles are a superior strategy?
"Agree with the sentiments" meaning that a lot of the support that Trump gets are also from true racists who agree with Trump on his xenophobic/ discriminatory rants? Absolutely. And it's definitely not just with Republican politicians, but a reasonable amount of regular American citizens who support Trump too.
We even see support for Trump occasionally increase when he lashes out with these inappropriate rants: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1UB2UD?fbclid=IwAR3V_xgDxHW3bNQb-saGl4-79I6UynxpnUx2L21FNmi6WgbRb1uFA8Y6IE0
Trump supporters are making it harder and harder to defend the claim that they're not actually racist but are merely happy to defend and enable a racist... The more I see and hear crap like this, the more I'm convinced that most Trump supporters truly are as deplorable as their orange god. They just lack the celebrity status, platform, and family wealth that Trump has.
On July 18 2019 08:34 JimmiC wrote:
I think it is pretty disingenuous to call all white people who are frightened of change racist. A while some are many are not. Many of the poor white low class Trump supporters don’t feel that they have been privileged and get extra angry when a rich person tells them that they just don’t get it because of x y z.
That's definitely fair, and surely it wouldn't be impossible to find some counterexamples to the claim that all white people and/or conservatives and/or Trump supporters are explicitly racist. I'd imagine that there's a set of Trump supporters, for example, who feel like Trump's ignorance and discrimination are less important in the grand scheme of things than a specific view Trump has on some other policy that is more relevant to that set of supporters. (Plenty of voters, on all sides of the political spectrum, are single-issue voters anyway, so people may only care about guns or abortion, for example, and not pay any attention to discriminatory rhetoric.) A lot of it comes down to weighing the pros and cons of a candidate or president, and I'd imagine that if you're white and not directly feeling the impact of Trump's words aimed against non-whites, you may not consider it a big deal. To your point about working class/ poor whites not understanding their privilege and being offended by that sentiment because they interpret that as "your life must have been easy" when it clearly hasn't, I agree that's a message that is often not made as perfectly clear as it should be, and being told about white privilege by a non-white person in a higher social class certainly can confuse and piss off hard-working, poor, white people.
The most success I have had is pointing out shared experiences of unfairness and then explained that white privilege is not that all white people get to be rich and don’t have hardship it is that they are given the benifits of the doubt. If you are a White person getting on a plane no one thinks you are going to blow it up compared to someone who looks Muslim. If your a White person walking into a mall you don’t have the “theft prevention” staff follow you like you do if you Indigenous. If you are walking down the street people don’t cross to the other side (unless you are bald and all tatted up).
These types of things often people can relate to because they have maybe done them themselves. They can’t relate to the efonmic stuff because many of them are in just as shitty or shittier situation than people of various colours. They also don’t care about the bunch of white people that have benefited because those white people also fucked them. That is why the myth Trump created that he is like them (when really he is a spoiled rich kid who oppressed and screws people poorer than them) is so powerful. They are sick of hearing how good they have it when they can’t afford health care, a new car and whatever and they see “plenty” of people of various colours doing better than them.
I think those are really good examples, although I've also seen some people try to justify that kind of discrimination by saying that the black person is statistically more likely to rob or jump you anyway, or that Muslim people are more likely to suicide bomb anyway, so that's it's okay to prejudge those groups when you see them in specific locations. When I'm given that defense, I try to come up with a stereotypical prejudice that would affect the individual defending these "precautions", with something like "So then surely we should ban- or at least cavity search daily- all white students or male students from going to school, because they're much more likely to shoot up the school than other demographics?"
If the American left stopped shitting on them so hard all the time and judging them they would likely all vote left. It is very strange that in the US so many union and blue collar workers support the right basically everywhere else this is the lefts stronghold. Trump has basically weaponized indemnity politics to get people to vote against their own economic interests just so that they don’t have to have wealthier people tell them how good they actually have it.
Are they, though? I agree that white people could definitely feel like they're not being focused on as much as other groups (and it's obviously because they're not facing daily discrimination and systemic violence, but white people are blissfully ignorant of this so they take it personally that they're not the main recipient of these messages), but the only party that attempts to help the poor and working-class families- regardless of skin color- is the Democratic party. Perhaps the Democratic candidates really need to speak more slowly and clearly about how healthcare for everyone includes white people, how minimum wage increases include white people, and how a cleaner, better, more educated country helps white people too. As a white guy, I can connect the dots that these things will apply to me, but I guess a lot of other people need more hand-holding in terms of the explanations of various political platforms. This seemed to be the underlying thesis for why so many white people got so offended by groups asserting that black lives matter too.
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