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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada418 Posts
Hope that makes some sense, also you should watch some Dave Rubin, If your putting him in the boat as that post your also way off course. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10761 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13984 Posts
On July 08 2019 23:47 ShoCkeyy wrote: Here's the difference, if Bill was tried and convicted, he needs to go to jail. He obviously did fucked up shit. If Trump is tried and convicted, he needs to go to jail as well, he obviously did fucked up shit... Ask a Trump lover, and they'll call for Bill's conviction, but not for Trumps. I'm genuinely curious if you think that if you ask say someone who hates trump that they wouldn't just call for trumps conviction and not Bills? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9675 Posts
On July 08 2019 23:59 Taelshin wrote: Jock - STERN GOTTEM. Your totally right, i'm part of the free speech crowd, 100% and I knew someone would bring that up though i'm shocked you didn't have a take on biff's post. The difference is this is forum has shown to have higher standards, Myself having not met them in the past, I try to conform to those rules. How ever , that post is so egregious not only do I think it doesn't meet the rules and standards of this forum, But It would likely not meet the standards of face to face discourse/news print/main stream media. Though I'm certainly not a lawyer, id have to imagine something directed at an individual such as that post would amount to slander. Likely the person would ask the publication to remove said post/article/commentary and they would oblige. Honestly I could be off base here though. I guess the admins HERE will sort that out in this instance. Hope that makes some sense, also you should watch some Dave Rubin, If your putting him in the boat as that post your also way off course. It wasn't trying to be a gotcha. I'm interested in what the boundaries of free speech should be from different people's pov. I think biff's post is bad, and yeah you're right i didn't say that and should've done. I would ban him for it if it were my forum, but i don't really agree that freedom of speech trumps stuff like fairness. This forum does have higher standards and I agree with them, I just wasn't sure whether you would or not. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On July 09 2019 00:06 Sermokala wrote: I'm genuinely curious if you think that if you ask say someone who hates trump that they wouldn't just call for trumps conviction and not Bills? Nah, I haven't met a person who hates Trump, yet wouldn't like to see Bill arrested. They would most likely call for Bill's arrest too. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On July 09 2019 00:09 JimmiC wrote: I think if Bill is guilty most Dems would want him arrested. Look how fast they turned on Al Franken and that was "nothing" in comparison to what is possible in this. For the record, the Franken thing was actually nothing. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 09 2019 00:09 JimmiC wrote: I think if Bill is guilty most Dems would want him arrested. Look how fast they turned on Al Franken and that was "nothing" in comparison to what is possible in this. Bill does seem to be awash in Epstein's filth. He was on his plane dozens of times with young girls, went to Epstein's rape island, etc. If there is justice in the world, bill will soon be going to jail. As for trump, it certainly would be consistent with his character (and his expressed attraction to minor females) to have partaken. When he spoke favorably of Epstein, it wasn't just schmoozing; he spoke favorably of epsteins predilection for minor females. And as far as the victim's lawyer claiming that trump wasn't a part of the misconduct, that is premised entirely on trumps word which is presumptively a lie. And in fact if trump accused others, it is presumptively a projection as well. Key moment is 1:12: | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
We saw Harris do it in the debate, but is it a good idea? The job market added 220k jobs in June, but the wage growth was only 6 cents an hour. Would it be a smart choice for dems to hammer trump on people working more, but not making more? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Mohdoo
United States15713 Posts
On July 09 2019 01:07 IyMoon wrote: What do people think about the new strategy idea to go after Trump on the economy? We saw Harris do it in the debate, but is it a good idea? The job market added 220k jobs in June, but the wage growth was only 6 cents an hour. Would it be a smart choice for dems to hammer trump on people working more, but not making more? It should entirely reflect polling/research data regarding public opinion of the economy. If 70% of people think the economy is doing well, maybe don't talk about the economy. But I still think it is worth pointing out the the numbers for the economy do not mean anything to every day Americans. Mass layoffs is usually good for stock prices. Most people don't even own stock. Of the total economic growth, how much of that has led to wage increases in the lower class? These are points worth making, but saying you're gonna change something people don't want changed is a bad idea. Similarly: People advocating for single payer need to make it 1000000% clear you keep every single medical person you ever interact with. It's just those shitbags who only cover 40% of your $3000 procedure that we are trying to replace. "People love their doctors, not their insurance company" is a phrase we need to be pounding over and over again. We need a unified method of paying for the medical expenses of our citizens and the current model of payment is inefficient and really shitty. Single payer is our attempt to remove the shitty part of healthcare (insurance) while keeping all the same medical professionals around. If Harris and others keep saying "Economy went up by ____%, yet worker wages went up ____%? I want to fix that by increasing the minimum wage to match economic growth" is a good message. Worker wages should go up with the economy. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10761 Posts
On July 09 2019 00:31 Danglars wrote: A Frenchman uses videotaped rape as political rhetoric, and a Swiss does the “they hate it cuz it’s true” defense. This reinforces certain stereotypes about Europeans commenting on American politics. So, isn't it true? xDaunt has stated before that he has no issue with Trump because he likes what he is doing. And the evangelical vote went to trump, if hypocrisi ever needed a clear example that even toddlers could understand, this is it. I don't remember me attacking introvert or Sermo aside from disagreements in the last 6 months and they generally seem to have less issues with all the leftists here than you and xDaunt. There are reasons for that. | ||
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
On July 09 2019 01:21 Mohdoo wrote: It should entirely reflect polling/research data regarding public opinion of the economy. If 70% of people think the economy is doing well, maybe don't talk about the economy. But I still think it is worth pointing out the the numbers for the economy do not mean anything to every day Americans. Mass layoffs is usually good for stock prices. Most people don't even own stock. Of the total economic growth, how much of that has led to wage increases in the lower class? These are points worth making, but saying you're gonna change something people don't want changed is a bad idea. Similarly: People advocating for single payer need to make it 1000000% clear you keep every single medical person you ever interact with. It's just those shitbags who only cover 40% of your $3000 procedure that we are trying to replace. "People love their doctors, not their insurance company" is a phrase we need to be pounding over and over again. We need a unified method of paying for the medical expenses of our citizens and the current model of payment is inefficient and really shitty. Single payer is our attempt to remove the shitty part of healthcare (insurance) while keeping all the same medical professionals around. If Harris and others keep saying "Economy went up by ____%, yet worker wages went up ____%? I want to fix that by increasing the minimum wage to match economic growth" is a good message. Worker wages should go up with the economy. To add to that, it’s worth noting that Trump capitalized (knowingly or not) on the notion that folks did not feel as though the positive economic numbers/forecasts in ‘16 matched up with the economic realities of their lives on the ground. Given crazy stats like around one third of GoFundMe’s being for medical bills, I think harping on the disconnect between talking head economic indicators and “what is actually going on” makes political sense. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13984 Posts
On July 09 2019 01:25 Velr wrote: So, isn't it true? xDaunt has stated before that he has no issue with Trump because he likes what he is doing. And the evangelical vote went to trump, if hypocrisi ever needed a clear example that even toddlers could understand, this is it. I don't remember me attacking introvert or Sermo aside from disagreements in the last 6 months and they generally seem to have less issues with all the leftists here than you and xDaunt. There are reasons for that. So we're clear you are saying that you agree that xdaunt would defend trump if he was on tape rapeing a 7 year old girl? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8998 Posts
On July 09 2019 01:57 Sermokala wrote: So we're clear you are saying that you agree that xdaunt would defend trump if he was on tape rapeing a 7 year old girl? I am pretty sure he's talking about the need to defend trump no matter what. Not that specific instance only. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
This is a horrible topic for us to be on and it should die a horrible death. He wouldn't defend it and we all know that. I get that he likes trump but come on people, can we take this shit down a notch? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12262 Posts
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