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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23515 Posts
July 07 2019 16:33 GMT
#32761
On July 08 2019 01:10 Ryzel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2019 13:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Epstein's relationship to Trump is so huge that I am fascinated to see how this turns out. Trump can't possibly defend Epstein if it has gotten this far. Trump must have had no idea.

This could end up being absolutely huge, taking down bill Clinton for example. Please for the love of god tell me bill ends up going down from this


Why can’t he pardon him after the election?


Could if he wanted to (had to cover up his own indiscretions/crimes).

As far as Bill goes, going to be really hard to take him down without exposing that practically everyone in power in the party knew and said/did nothing including Hillary and her supporters.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 07 2019 16:47 GMT
#32762
On July 08 2019 01:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2019 01:10 Ryzel wrote:
On July 07 2019 13:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Epstein's relationship to Trump is so huge that I am fascinated to see how this turns out. Trump can't possibly defend Epstein if it has gotten this far. Trump must have had no idea.

This could end up being absolutely huge, taking down bill Clinton for example. Please for the love of god tell me bill ends up going down from this


Why can’t he pardon him after the election?


Could if he wanted to (had to cover up his own indiscretions/crimes).

As far as Bill goes, going to be really hard to take him down without exposing that practically everyone in power in the party knew and said/did nothing including Hillary and her supporters.


This is why Epstein is a much bigger problem for democrats than Trump. Hell, Trump’s actual relationship with Epstein seems attenuated from everything that I have seen. It certainly is nothing like the Clinton/Epstein connection.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
July 07 2019 16:53 GMT
#32763
On July 08 2019 01:15 JimmiC wrote:
I could be wrong here but I believe its Trump can pardon Federal charges but can't state charges.

Correct, it's governors who can pardon state charges.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23515 Posts
July 07 2019 17:09 GMT
#32764
On July 08 2019 01:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2019 01:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2019 01:10 Ryzel wrote:
On July 07 2019 13:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Epstein's relationship to Trump is so huge that I am fascinated to see how this turns out. Trump can't possibly defend Epstein if it has gotten this far. Trump must have had no idea.

This could end up being absolutely huge, taking down bill Clinton for example. Please for the love of god tell me bill ends up going down from this


Why can’t he pardon him after the election?


Could if he wanted to (had to cover up his own indiscretions/crimes).

As far as Bill goes, going to be really hard to take him down without exposing that practically everyone in power in the party knew and said/did nothing including Hillary and her supporters.


This is why Epstein is a much bigger problem for democrats than Trump. Hell, Trump’s actual relationship with Epstein seems attenuated from everything that I have seen. It certainly is nothing like the Clinton/Epstein connection.


lol you could have pointed out that although the FBI participated in the arrest it's currently being handled by SDNY and Trump can't pardon that (though he can apply immense political pressure if he had interest in it) but it's 100% a political prosecution just a matter of who wants what to figure out how this shakes out.

That there's a large contingent of voters that want accountability assures me it's one of the few things that won't come out of this.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Ryzel
Profile Joined December 2012
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-07 17:35:56
July 07 2019 17:35 GMT
#32765
On July 08 2019 02:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2019 01:47 xDaunt wrote:
On July 08 2019 01:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2019 01:10 Ryzel wrote:
On July 07 2019 13:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Epstein's relationship to Trump is so huge that I am fascinated to see how this turns out. Trump can't possibly defend Epstein if it has gotten this far. Trump must have had no idea.

This could end up being absolutely huge, taking down bill Clinton for example. Please for the love of god tell me bill ends up going down from this


Why can’t he pardon him after the election?


Could if he wanted to (had to cover up his own indiscretions/crimes).

As far as Bill goes, going to be really hard to take him down without exposing that practically everyone in power in the party knew and said/did nothing including Hillary and her supporters.


This is why Epstein is a much bigger problem for democrats than Trump. Hell, Trump’s actual relationship with Epstein seems attenuated from everything that I have seen. It certainly is nothing like the Clinton/Epstein connection.


lol you could have pointed out that although the FBI participated in the arrest it's currently being handled by SDNY and Trump can't pardon that (though he can apply immense political pressure if he had interest in it) but it's 100% a political prosecution just a matter of who wants what to figure out how this shakes out.

That there's a large contingent of voters that want accountability assures me it's one of the few things that won't come out of this.


Agree, absolutely zero chance he (or anyone else important) will be held accountable; I’m more curious to see how exactly he gets away with it and who gets forced to fall on the sword for his sake.
Hakuna Matata B*tches
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-07 21:52:25
July 07 2019 21:51 GMT
#32766
On July 08 2019 01:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2019 01:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2019 01:10 Ryzel wrote:
On July 07 2019 13:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Epstein's relationship to Trump is so huge that I am fascinated to see how this turns out. Trump can't possibly defend Epstein if it has gotten this far. Trump must have had no idea.

This could end up being absolutely huge, taking down bill Clinton for example. Please for the love of god tell me bill ends up going down from this


Why can’t he pardon him after the election?


Could if he wanted to (had to cover up his own indiscretions/crimes).

As far as Bill goes, going to be really hard to take him down without exposing that practically everyone in power in the party knew and said/did nothing including Hillary and her supporters.


This is why Epstein is a much bigger problem for democrats than Trump. Hell, Trump’s actual relationship with Epstein seems attenuated from everything that I have seen. It certainly is nothing like the Clinton/Epstein connection.


Wouldn't be so sure about that. Either way, I hope Epstein cooperates and turns over all of his hidden camera footage.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23515 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-07 21:56:57
July 07 2019 21:56 GMT
#32767
On July 08 2019 06:51 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2019 01:47 xDaunt wrote:
On July 08 2019 01:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2019 01:10 Ryzel wrote:
On July 07 2019 13:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Epstein's relationship to Trump is so huge that I am fascinated to see how this turns out. Trump can't possibly defend Epstein if it has gotten this far. Trump must have had no idea.

This could end up being absolutely huge, taking down bill Clinton for example. Please for the love of god tell me bill ends up going down from this


Why can’t he pardon him after the election?


Could if he wanted to (had to cover up his own indiscretions/crimes).

As far as Bill goes, going to be really hard to take him down without exposing that practically everyone in power in the party knew and said/did nothing including Hillary and her supporters.


This is why Epstein is a much bigger problem for democrats than Trump. Hell, Trump’s actual relationship with Epstein seems attenuated from everything that I have seen. It certainly is nothing like the Clinton/Epstein connection.


Wouldn't be so sure about that. Either way, I hope Epstein cooperates and turns over all of his hidden camera footage.


You know SDNY is run by a Trump appointee and a guy that worked for Deutsche Bank?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 01:29:57
July 08 2019 01:27 GMT
#32768
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7928 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 06:49:13
July 08 2019 06:46 GMT
#32769
On July 08 2019 10:27 JimmiC wrote:
I'm pretty exited about the Epstein arrest and hope they go hard on him. I'm fine if they go lighter only if he brings down a shit ton of creeps. Hopefully rich a powerful ones. I could careless which team they play for, because epstien likely has dirt on both. Whoever gets outed from whatever team, I'll be interested to see how that party reacts. While I wouldn't be that shocked with his money and power if he avoided shit again, I also think this has opportunity to be a watershed moment for America where some extremely rich and powerful, but also creepy fucks, get in some real trouble. And Acosta should be one of them.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/jeffrey-epstein-trump-once-praised-billionaire-charged-with-sex-trafficking-minors-for-liking-women-on-the-younger-side/ar-AADZ7RC?li=AAggNb9

Trump has proven that at least republicans didn’t care one bit if you were a colossal creep and apparently a literal rapist as long as you had the R- in front of your name. Hell their religious nuts would still trust you to defend their so called family values and shit. So I wouldn’t get too excited. We are apparently totally past the age of accountability. I wouldn’t mind xDaunt drooling at the prospect of shit happening to Clinton if the whole thing was not more of his hypocritical partisan bs, since he has demonstrated time and time again that he would keep defending Trump tooth and nail if we had a video of him raping 7 years old girls.

I hope one day the country comes back to its senses and people regain some kind of integrity but it looks like a wishful dream.

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Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada420 Posts
July 08 2019 14:11 GMT
#32770
xDaunt drooling at the prospect of shit happening to Clinton if the whole thing was not more of his hypocritical partisan bs, since he has demonstrated time and time again that he would keep defending Trump tooth and nail if we had a video of him raping 7 years old girls.



frankly that's just grotesque, untrue, and completely unacceptable on this form IMO. Gonna report the post, insane slander and completely unfounded. Your way off course pal.


I'm not really sure where the Epstein saga is going to go, i'm sure hes gonna go away for a long time, but who or how they manage to get the others involved in it or partaking of it is gonna be a whale of a mess. Curious, does anyone know what Epstein really did to earn all his money, he just generally feels like a scumbag and in all the news articles i've read they don't really get into the inner workings of his financial empire.
"We didnt listen"
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 14:12:47
July 08 2019 14:12 GMT
#32771
On July 08 2019 06:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2019 06:51 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 08 2019 01:47 xDaunt wrote:
On July 08 2019 01:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2019 01:10 Ryzel wrote:
On July 07 2019 13:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Epstein's relationship to Trump is so huge that I am fascinated to see how this turns out. Trump can't possibly defend Epstein if it has gotten this far. Trump must have had no idea.

This could end up being absolutely huge, taking down bill Clinton for example. Please for the love of god tell me bill ends up going down from this


Why can’t he pardon him after the election?


Could if he wanted to (had to cover up his own indiscretions/crimes).

As far as Bill goes, going to be really hard to take him down without exposing that practically everyone in power in the party knew and said/did nothing including Hillary and her supporters.


This is why Epstein is a much bigger problem for democrats than Trump. Hell, Trump’s actual relationship with Epstein seems attenuated from everything that I have seen. It certainly is nothing like the Clinton/Epstein connection.


Wouldn't be so sure about that. Either way, I hope Epstein cooperates and turns over all of his hidden camera footage.


You know SDNY is run by a Trump appointee and a guy that worked for Deutsche Bank?



Well Epstein has apparently been wanting to answer the question for a while. And if he could avoid life in prison...

Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9755 Posts
July 08 2019 14:23 GMT
#32772
On July 08 2019 23:11 Taelshin wrote:
Show nested quote +
xDaunt drooling at the prospect of shit happening to Clinton if the whole thing was not more of his hypocritical partisan bs, since he has demonstrated time and time again that he would keep defending Trump tooth and nail if we had a video of him raping 7 years old girls.



frankly that's just grotesque, untrue, and completely unacceptable on this form IMO. Gonna report the post, insane slander and completely unfounded. Your way off course pal.

I thought you liked all those 'freedom of speech' warriors like Dave Rubin on youtube?
RIP Meatloaf <3
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 14:27:07
July 08 2019 14:24 GMT
#32773
and while i fully agree that it’s offensive, uncalled for, esssntially ban worthy, i’ll have to disagree that it’s unfounded. xDaunt wasted no time distancing Trump from Epstein despite Trump’s own claims to the opposite. clearly he must know something Trump doesn’t about their relationship.

it’s been true before and will continue to be true that defenders of Trump selectively decide when what he says is true or false in accordance with what they want to believe.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 08 2019 14:39 GMT
#32774
On July 08 2019 23:24 brian wrote:
and while i fully agree that it’s offensive, uncalled for, esssntially ban worthy, i’ll have to disagree that it’s unfounded. xDaunt wasted no time distancing Trump from Epstein despite Trump’s own claims to the opposite. clearly he must know something Trump doesn’t about their relationship.

it’s been true before and will continue to be true that defenders of Trump selectively decide when what he says is true or false in accordance with what they want to believe.

This effort to link Trump to Epstein reeks of fake news. Facts are facts. The two most telling facts to me are 1) Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-lago for assaulting a minor, and 2) one of Epstein's victims' attorneys is out there saying that Trump is the only guy that stepped up to help them in 2009. When you consider those facts in the context of Trump being a billionaire and playing all of the games that are necessary in that circle (which is consistent with how he has dealt with foreign leaders as president), Trump's statement regarding Epstein (as reported by O'Brien) takes on a very different meaning.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 08 2019 14:39 GMT
#32775
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9755 Posts
July 08 2019 14:42 GMT
#32776
On July 08 2019 23:39 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2019 23:24 brian wrote:
and while i fully agree that it’s offensive, uncalled for, esssntially ban worthy, i’ll have to disagree that it’s unfounded. xDaunt wasted no time distancing Trump from Epstein despite Trump’s own claims to the opposite. clearly he must know something Trump doesn’t about their relationship.

it’s been true before and will continue to be true that defenders of Trump selectively decide when what he says is true or false in accordance with what they want to believe.


It is amazing how he has said so many "facts" that are not true that it leaves it open for supporters to believe what they want and think the other stuff is some sort of tactic. I just think he can't help himself and says what he thinks in the moment. I simply can't trust someone who states so many things as facts that are just not true.

Here is hoping Epstien goes full rat to protect himself from a life sentence and a shit ton of rich and powerful shit heads go down.


That's optimistic to say the least.
RIP Meatloaf <3
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
July 08 2019 14:47 GMT
#32777
Here's the difference, if Bill was tried and convicted, he needs to go to jail. He obviously did fucked up shit. If Trump is tried and convicted, he needs to go to jail as well, he obviously did fucked up shit... Ask a Trump lover, and they'll call for Bill's conviction, but not for Trumps.
Life?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 08 2019 14:47 GMT
#32778
On July 08 2019 23:11 Taelshin wrote:
Show nested quote +
xDaunt drooling at the prospect of shit happening to Clinton if the whole thing was not more of his hypocritical partisan bs, since he has demonstrated time and time again that he would keep defending Trump tooth and nail if we had a video of him raping 7 years old girls.



frankly that's just grotesque, untrue, and completely unacceptable on this form IMO. Gonna report the post, insane slander and completely unfounded. Your way off course pal.


I'm not really sure where the Epstein saga is going to go, i'm sure hes gonna go away for a long time, but who or how they manage to get the others involved in it or partaking of it is gonna be a whale of a mess. Curious, does anyone know what Epstein really did to earn all his money, he just generally feels like a scumbag and in all the news articles i've read they don't really get into the inner workings of his financial empire.

This forum will get way spicier if you can allege someone excuses or condones rape. I’m interested to see how it plays out.
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 14:54:30
July 08 2019 14:53 GMT
#32779
On July 08 2019 23:47 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2019 23:11 Taelshin wrote:
xDaunt drooling at the prospect of shit happening to Clinton if the whole thing was not more of his hypocritical partisan bs, since he has demonstrated time and time again that he would keep defending Trump tooth and nail if we had a video of him raping 7 years old girls.



frankly that's just grotesque, untrue, and completely unacceptable on this form IMO. Gonna report the post, insane slander and completely unfounded. Your way off course pal.


I'm not really sure where the Epstein saga is going to go, i'm sure hes gonna go away for a long time, but who or how they manage to get the others involved in it or partaking of it is gonna be a whale of a mess. Curious, does anyone know what Epstein really did to earn all his money, he just generally feels like a scumbag and in all the news articles i've read they don't really get into the inner workings of his financial empire.

This forum will get way spicier if you can allege someone excuses or condones rape. I’m interested to see how it plays out.


I mean he will take a 2 month ban or sometime and we move on from it.

Spicy forum does sound kinda fun though.
Something witty
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 08 2019 14:54 GMT
#32780
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