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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 09 2019 02:34 IyMoon wrote: Guys, can we stop talking about if xDaunt would or would not defend raping a 7 year old? This is a horrible topic for us to be on and it should die a horrible death. He wouldn't defend it and we all know that. I get that he likes trump but come on people, can we take this shit down a notch? This is a great topic. It's not very often that we get to sort the wheat and the chaff so easily because the chaff self-identifies itself as such. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
rats might hang out with foxes, nibbling at leftovers, but when the hounds come they get away and the fox gets got | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 09 2019 02:47 IgnE wrote: wasn’t Trump an FBI informant on the mob? or did I imagine that? he’s a rat He was. Speaking of rats, apparently Epstein is willing to start naming names in exchange for a sentence that is capped at 5 years. One thing that I'll say is this: the Epstein indictment is quite curious in terms of how deliberately vague it is. In fact, the child porn discussed by the prosecutors at the press conference today isn't even mentioned in the indictment. The prosecution is clearly holding stuff back. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10026 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 09 2019 02:34 IyMoon wrote: Guys, can we stop talking about if xDaunt would or would not defend raping a 7 year old? This is a horrible topic for us to be on and it should die a horrible death. He wouldn't defend it and we all know that. I get that he likes trump but come on people, can we take this shit down a notch? No, enough people have defended the truth of “Z defends Trump no matter what” that videotaped rape is the logical end. The record must show no similar behavior leveled at other posters, such as yourself. I would hope people wouldn’t ask you “is it true” and simply say such behavior is unacceptable. Secondarily, he has not been banned 11 hours and counting for talking about rape on video in the context of another poster, so maybe this is part of subjective moderation policy that we’ll just have to accept. Minor third point, but some dishonest people here use the prevalence of low attacks and the minority of targets as evidence that somethings wrong with the people receiving the hate. This behavior means less when you find similar characters defending or qualifiedly excusing the absolute extremes of absurdity, in this case, a videotaped rape hypothetical. They have no standards, and I include the ones using rape as a springboard to talk about partisanship. Accept the bias and accept the mob mentality. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 09 2019 03:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: The same accusations that Bill has, Trump has too. What's the difference here? They aren't the same at all. Trump has no demonstrable relationship with Epstein. Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Bill was a frequent flier on the Lolita Express and repeat traveler to Epstein's island. And Epstein helped launch the Clinton Global Initiative. This idea that Trump's connections with Epstein are on par with Clinton's is ludicrous at best. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
On July 09 2019 03:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: The same accusations that Bill has, Trump has too. What's the difference here? Political parties. One got caught receiving oral sex from staff member. The other bragged on video about grabbing genitalia and defending known potential sex offenders. Biggest difference is that democrats hold their own more accountable more or less these days. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On July 09 2019 03:40 xDaunt wrote: They aren't the same at all. Trump has no demonstrable relationship with Epstein. Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Bill was a frequent flier on the Lolita Express and repeat traveler to Epstein's island. And Epstein helped launch the Clinton Global Initiative. This idea that Trump's connections with Epstein are on par with Clinton's is ludicrous at best. Isn't trump on tape saying he thinks Epstein is a good guy and how he already knows about his love of younger girls ? | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
On July 09 2019 01:07 IyMoon wrote: What do people think about the new strategy idea to go after Trump on the economy? We saw Harris do it in the debate, but is it a good idea? The job market added 220k jobs in June, but the wage growth was only 6 cents an hour. Would it be a smart choice for dems to hammer trump on people working more, but not making more? Its difficult to say,depends on how the economy will be in the coming year. People don't look back all that far,trump can have 3 years of great economy but if the last year before election it goes down then that's what people will remember and then it would give an option to campaign on. The figures are good but as others said they don't tell the whole story. It seems though that many workers who are hit by the trade war for example don't actually mind it all that much. They are more happy that someone is finally willing to stand up against china "its about time" is the attitude that you can see in documentarys. About time someone stood up against china.They are willing to make a sacrifice for the "greater good" The economy is not the weakest part of trumps presidency,even if it mostly benefits the rich. the Epstein case is different,if that blows up then that will be a big hit for trump. But that's a big if and right now it does not seem likely. Defending trump,someone will have to do it. Even the most horrible people have the right to be defended. And defending trump in the end helps society as a whole,by making sure the trial is done proper and that there is no discussion about it afterwards. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 09 2019 04:01 IyMoon wrote: Isn't trump on tape saying he thinks Epstein is a good guy and how he already knows about his love of younger girls ? I already addressed this. I think that if you look at this comment in proper context (with the other facts that I mentioned and with what we know about how Trump deals with powerful, bad men), what Trump was really saying is "LOOK HERE YOU, YOU IDIOTS! THIS GUY IS A PEDOPHILE!" | ||
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
Everything you can read about Epstein is disgusting and shows how corrupt the US justice system is. We have a person who is a serial abuser of underage girls, everyone knows it, and he just gets away with it because he is rich and knows people. Just reading about it makes me incredibly angry. Why does that piece of shit get a plea deal that means he is immune to prosecution, and for the single case that he ends up spending time in prison, he goes to a luxury prison where he can hire his own guards. What the fuck is that shit? How can you explain any of that to the people and there is not a revolt? There is not even any doubt that he did the things he is accused of, but he just gets away because he is rich and has powerful friends. There is simply no shame on behalf of the people who let him get away with it. It is disgusting, and people should be far more angry about it then they seem to be. Maybe i am just late to the party here because i just found out about it, and all the anger turned to resignation for other people already. But still...the whole thing is just so incredibly and obviously corrupt. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 09 2019 04:19 Simberto wrote: So, i just read up on the Epstein background because i was so confused. Due to the certainty with which everyone spoke of the stuff Epstein had done, i was under the impression that he was already in prison, so i was really confused when he suddently got arrested. So i read stuff. Everything you can read about Epstein is disgusting and shows how corrupt the US justice system is. We have a person who is a serial abuser of underage girls, everyone knows it, and he just gets away with it because he is rich and knows people. Just reading about it makes me incredibly angry. Why does that piece of shit get a plea deal that means he is immune to prosecution, and for the single case that he ends up spending time in prison, he goes to a luxury prison where he can hire his own guards. What the fuck is that shit? How can you explain any of that to the people and there is not a revolt? There is not even any doubt that he did the things he is accused of, but he just gets away because he is rich and has powerful friends. There is simply no shame on behalf of the people who let him get away with it. It is disgusting, and people should be far more angry about it then they seem to be. Maybe i am just late to the party here because i just found out about it, and all the anger turned to resignation for other people already. But still...the whole thing is just so incredibly and obviously corrupt. Apparently one of the reasons why Epstein skated in 2008 was a deal that he cut with the FBI to provide information on something. As just an FYI, Mueller was the director back then. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 09 2019 04:19 Simberto wrote: So, i just read up on the Epstein background because i was so confused. Due to the certainty with which everyone spoke of the stuff Epstein had done, i was under the impression that he was already in prison, so i was really confused when he suddently got arrested. So i read stuff. Everything you can read about Epstein is disgusting and shows how corrupt the US justice system is. We have a person who is a serial abuser of underage girls, everyone knows it, and he just gets away with it because he is rich and knows people. Just reading about it makes me incredibly angry. Why does that piece of shit get a plea deal that means he is immune to prosecution, and for the single case that he ends up spending time in prison, he goes to a luxury prison where he can hire his own guards. What the fuck is that shit? How can you explain any of that to the people and there is not a revolt? There is not even any doubt that he did the things he is accused of, but he just gets away because he is rich and has powerful friends. There is simply no shame on behalf of the people who let him get away with it. It is disgusting, and people should be far more angry about it then they seem to be. Maybe i am just late to the party here because i just found out about it, and all the anger turned to resignation for other people already. But still...the whole thing is just so incredibly and obviously corrupt. So long as we allow our politicians the privacy for things like this to happen, it will happen. It's not that Epstein is just their friend. He has ways to return the favor. If we more strictly audited the lives and finances of politicians, he wouldn't be able to return favors. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 09 2019 04:26 xDaunt wrote: Apparently one of the reasons why Epstein skated in 2008 was a deal that he cut with the FBI to provide information on something. As just an FYI, Mueller was the director back then. The FBI doesn't prosecute people though. See a ton of conservatives bring out of the whataboutism on this. On July 09 2019 04:34 farvacola wrote: Trump’s labor secretary, Alexander Acosta, was the US Attorney who coordinated the sweetheart deal given Epstein that was recently ruled illegal. As an aside, Acosta is currently the head administrator of the nation’s human trafficking laws. What a coincidence they aren't talking about this guy. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 09 2019 04:59 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: The FBI doesn't prosecute people though. See a ton of conservatives bring out of the whataboutism on this. Technically correct, but the FBI works hand-in-hand with DOJ on these types of deals. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On July 09 2019 04:26 xDaunt wrote: Apparently one of the reasons why Epstein skated in 2008 was a deal that he cut with the FBI to provide information on something. As just an FYI, Mueller was the director back then. in what context is this fyi you added important? | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On July 09 2019 05:08 Artisreal wrote: in what context is this fyi you added important? Don't you get it?? Muller cleared this pedophile personally, and that means the muller report is clearly debunk. | ||
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