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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 27 2019 02:06 GMT
#31841
Looks like MSNBC hired the NASL sound guy.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 02:06 GMT
#31842
On June 27 2019 11:03 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 10:54 xDaunt wrote:
Gabbard isn’t ready for prime time.

Beyond that, this idea that Trump is leading us into war is absurd. He’s been more pacifist than Obama.

Do you recall how last week Trump said he ordered an attack on Iran only to countermand it 15 minutes before the strike because he suddenly realized (?) that people might get hurt in the attack.

Obama made peace with Iran while Trump tried to attack them last week. I'm not entirely sure how you see the peace treaty as more likely to lead to war with Iran than the military attack but I'm absolutely confident that you won't explain it to us either way.

What I care about is the bottom line. And I’m not so sure that Trump didn’t manufacture the changing of his mind. What he has done is establish a clear red line for Iran.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4706 Posts
June 27 2019 02:07 GMT
#31843
For the record Trump claims he never actually gave the go ahead for the strike. Everything was prepped, but no "go" was ever given.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 02:08 GMT
#31844
Warren is already running for the national election. This gun answer is terrible for the primary.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4706 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 02:09:48
June 27 2019 02:09 GMT
#31845
Warren, you aren't in a general election yet. That was less lefty on guns then I expected. To stress, it's relative.

edit: good ninja
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 27 2019 02:09 GMT
#31846
On June 27 2019 11:07 Introvert wrote:
For the record Trump claims he never actually gave the go ahead for the strike. Everything was prepped, but no "go" was ever given.


His tweet said the planes were "ten minutes" from their targets when he called it off.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
June 27 2019 02:13 GMT
#31847
The best description I've seen of this is "1-2 people are running for president, and the rest are aiming for VP".
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 02:20:27
June 27 2019 02:14 GMT
#31848
Prior moderators talking about binders! The sound team literally did not turn off the prior debating crew's mics in the audio of stream and debating hall.

[Muddle from the back room]
Feedback.
Chuck Todd apologizes
More Feedback.
"I need to go to the restroom"
"I'm just gonna grab my binder"
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42428 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 02:22:46
June 27 2019 02:15 GMT
#31849
On June 27 2019 11:04 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 10:52 Introvert wrote:
Oh some very minor pushback on re-entering the Iran deal. didn't expect that. Iran shouldn't have planted those mines or shot that drone!

It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Iran now that the new sanctions are in place. Their nuts are really in a vice.

???
The US hasn't even made any demands in exchange for sanctions relief. Nothing will happen because the US isn't sanctioning Iran for any reason other than to sanction Iran. The normal plan is to sanction the country to make them agree to your demands in exchange for ending the sanctions. We did that and it worked and Iran agreed to our demands. We then changed our mind and slapped the sanctions back on, although they're still happily selling oil to China and China is buying as much as Iran can produce. It turns out that it's hard to reimpose a sanctions regime after unilaterally blowing up the deal you made with your old sanctions regime.

What Trump has done is allow Iran to get out of their treaty obligations while still selling their oil internationally. The prior agreement was that they had to pick one because China, along with all other signatories, had pledged to reimpose all sanctions if Iran breached the agreement. But Iran didn't breach the agreement, the US did, and so Iran is happily selling their oil to China and China is looking incredulously at the US while Trump demands that they reimpose sanctions.
https://www.ft.com/content/6b944786-9809-11e9-8cfb-30c211dcd229

If Iran's nuts are in a vice then how come they're out of the treaty obligations and out of the international sanctions regime?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42428 Posts
June 27 2019 02:18 GMT
#31850
On June 27 2019 11:06 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 11:03 KwarK wrote:
On June 27 2019 10:54 xDaunt wrote:
Gabbard isn’t ready for prime time.

Beyond that, this idea that Trump is leading us into war is absurd. He’s been more pacifist than Obama.

Do you recall how last week Trump said he ordered an attack on Iran only to countermand it 15 minutes before the strike because he suddenly realized (?) that people might get hurt in the attack.

Obama made peace with Iran while Trump tried to attack them last week. I'm not entirely sure how you see the peace treaty as more likely to lead to war with Iran than the military attack but I'm absolutely confident that you won't explain it to us either way.

What I care about is the bottom line. And I’m not so sure that Trump didn’t manufacture the changing of his mind. What he has done is establish a clear red line for Iran.

Where are you getting this clear red line from? Trump said that he was going to attack until he learned that the missiles are dangerous and that people could get hurt which was unacceptable to him so he called off the attack. Where in that are you seeing a tough red line? Or hell, any kind of coherent message? If we could take Trump at his word, which we obviously cannot, the message there would be that Iran can do what they like because Trump is a very dedicated pacifist and will not order the use of weapons if there is any risk to human life. That's the text of what he said. It's not true, but it's what he said.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4706 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 02:24:18
June 27 2019 02:22 GMT
#31851
Smart answer from Booker on The McConnell Question, about as good as you could hope for.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 02:23 GMT
#31852
Inslee is going to save Miami, lol. I guess he has the Florida vote locked up!
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 27 2019 02:25 GMT
#31853
Booker first mention on assault rifles. Knowing someone killed by an assault rifle (literally 1% chance it really was one)

Then transitions to hating on thoughts and prayers. Faith without works is dead?

Man, Booker is surrendering his best elements prior to deciding to run for 2020.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 02:25 GMT
#31854
Beto is that kid in school who makes you cringe whenever he is asked a question because you know he didn’t do the required reading before class.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35127 Posts
June 27 2019 02:28 GMT
#31855
On June 27 2019 11:25 Danglars wrote:
Booker first mention on assault rifles. Knowing someone killed by an assault rifle (literally 1% chance it really was one)

Then transitions to hating on thoughts and prayers. Faith without works is dead?

Man, Booker is surrendering his best elements prior to deciding to run for 2020.

That Bible bruh.
Achamian
Profile Joined May 2017
82 Posts
June 27 2019 02:28 GMT
#31856
Next election cycle, they have to have a max 7 candidates per day.

They shouldn’t even call this a debate, it should be called “get to know your candidates”
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 02:28 GMT
#31857
Sorry, Mr. Ryan, this is no longer Dick Gephardt’s party anymore.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24645 Posts
June 27 2019 02:30 GMT
#31858
On June 27 2019 11:28 Achamian wrote:
Next election cycle, they have to have a max 7 candidates per day.

They shouldn’t even call this a debate, it should be called “get to know your candidates”

I think some of us were saying exactly the same thing in the 2016 Republican Primary "debates." I'm not sure what a good solution is though. Maybe have more days and keep the roster for each debate a secret or something. Make it into some type of a strange reality show.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 02:32:11
June 27 2019 02:31 GMT
#31859
Elizabeth Warren's team probably forced her to work on shortening her responses while they were prepping. Beto's team probably taught him how to pad his responses out more.

He seems massively outclassed by Castro, Warren, and to a smaller extent, Booker.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 02:32 GMT
#31860
God, what an awful question from Maddow: “what have you done for black and Latino voters to get them excited to go to the polls for you?” Identity politics at its worst.
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