EPTUS Politics Mega-thread - Page 1591
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Danglars
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GreenHorizons
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On June 27 2019 10:18 xDaunt wrote: Warren again, huh? Looks like the fix is in. If polling dictated time she should get 10x more than pretty much everyone but Beto and Booker On June 27 2019 10:19 KwarK wrote: Do I come across as especially tribal? I wouldn't consider myself a fan of either US party, it's just I only have so much anger at political stupidity to give and the current administration is sucking it all out of me. You'll find plenty of attacks on Corbyn by me in the UK topic though and he's far left of the Democrats. You'll also note that I don't stand behind members of the tribe, such as advocating that if Omar defrauded the government she should resign. I think you're just identifying with the wrong tribe. All that fits neatly into the neoliberal tribe. | ||
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xDaunt
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On June 27 2019 10:19 Danglars wrote: Warren, with the strategy of all the clapping soundbite lines, all the time Well, that’s how the game is played. You need the good 10-30 second sound bites. Voters are too stupid to digest long form answers. | ||
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Introvert
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Danglars
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GreenHorizons
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1. Give everyone on stage equal time 2. Give everyone a signaler to "buzz in" 3. Moderators (or producers) have the time stop button 4. Ask a question, anyone that wants to use their time on it can buzz in. 5. When you're out of time, your mic is muted. | ||
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IyMoon
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On June 27 2019 10:25 Danglars wrote: Inslee: First blood on Beto What happened? I can't watch | ||
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xDaunt
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IgnE
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On June 27 2019 10:19 KwarK wrote: Do I come across as especially tribal? I wouldn't consider myself a fan of either US party, it's just I only have so much anger at political stupidity to give and the current administration is sucking it all out of me. You'll find plenty of attacks on Corbyn by me in the UK topic though and he's far left of the Democrats. You'll also note that I don't stand behind members of the tribe, such as advocating that if Omar defrauded the government she should resign. i meant more in the sense of “people you like” rather than “people who self-identify as a group” but hey if you think trump is perfectly fine in expressing his gladness that his enemies are gone (some of them being dead) that’s fine with me, even if i have different reasons for thinking so. further discussion would take us too far afield | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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It's streaming live on Youtube. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On June 27 2019 10:28 xDaunt wrote: That argument about Medicare having lower overhead than insurance companies is such bullshit. The reason why it seems lower is that Medicare pays out far more in benefits as a consequence of its risk pool (expensive old and dying people). The idea that extracting profit is cheaper than simply paying a living wage takes mathematical wizardry I'm not familiar with? | ||
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IyMoon
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On June 27 2019 10:30 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: It's streaming live on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ6MrDO0kgY I'm out at an event for a retiring co worker. I'm just checking updates on down moments | ||
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Introvert
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edit: and Warren kept her head about her | ||
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Danglars
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I was only half listening to the style of speech missed that it was actually Bill De Blasio. He took first jab in crosstalk, first of any crosstalk in debate. Would you replace private insurance? Beto: No. The choice is fundamental to our ability Bill de Blasio: Congressman O'Rourke ... Congressman O'Rourke ... private insurance is not working for tens of millions of Americans when you talk about copays, deductibles, [Jumbled Crosstalk] Delaney spoke up in Beto's defense | ||
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On June 27 2019 10:31 IyMoon wrote: I'm out at an event for a retiring co worker. I'm just checking updates on down moments Ah. Nothing much is happening. They got pretty direct towards each other, questioning their stances. Warren, Booker, Beto getting the bulk of the time. Gabbard and other really need to force themselves out there and get more words in. | ||
KwarK
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On June 27 2019 10:21 GreenHorizons wrote: If polling dictated time she should get 10x more than pretty much everyone but Beto and Booker I think you're just identifying with the wrong tribe. All that fits neatly into the neoliberal tribe. I was a neoliberal growing up for sure. Member of the UK Conservative Party, viewed liberalization of the markets as being equivalent to greater efficiency (I still do think that but efficiency isn't everything), very skeptical about Labour's mismanagement of the economy etc. But the British kind of neoliberal where of course education, healthcare, social housing, and so forth are necessary in order to make sure that everyone has the chance to optimally function in a fair and just capitalist market. I still identify pretty strongly with a lot of the beliefs. The reason I brought up the Federal minimum wage earlier is because the US is effectively a monetary union of some very different economies. There isn't a single American economy, it's more like the EU where there are dramatic differences between living expenses, salaries, skills, culture, and so forth. Part of the problem many EU countries are facing is that without control over their own monetary policy they cannot effectively devalue their labour to bring in investment. As Greece becomes poorer it does not make Greece more attractive, it makes the Eurozone as a whole (and therefore German exports) more competitive. The same is fucking over Appalachia, it's stuck in a monetary union with California when the two regions could not be more different. But I've also become extremely jaded to a lot of the neoliberal fairytales. The rising tide does not lift all boats, wealth does not trickle down, international intervention is never easy or clean, and corporations will always steal from the workers, the public, and the future if they think they can get away with it. Politics as a whole just pisses me off these days. Especially because we never get to argue about any of the stuff that's actually nuanced because we're too busy trying to decide if there's really any need to delouse the children in our preteen concentration camp. | ||
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