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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 27 2019 01:07 GMT
#31781
And Beto O'Rourke with the 2-3 sentences of Spanish! Sorry, Castro
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 01:07 GMT
#31782
Beto is such a zero. Or to mirror his answer, Beto es un cero. He is all platitudes. No policies at all.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8964 Posts
June 27 2019 01:07 GMT
#31783
Did Beto just....go bilingual?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 01:09 GMT
#31784
Spartacus gave a pretty good, direct answer.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12081 Posts
June 27 2019 01:09 GMT
#31785
Beto is a massive joke
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42421 Posts
June 27 2019 01:09 GMT
#31786
On June 27 2019 10:04 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 09:50 KwarK wrote:
On June 27 2019 09:46 IgnE wrote:
On June 27 2019 08:45 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On June 27 2019 02:37 IgnE wrote:
On June 27 2019 02:09 Doodsmack wrote:
Here's Trump saying that hes glad McCain is dead, and he hopes McCain went to hell. I'm confused why this isn't garnering headlines.



probably because that’s not what he said. he did not say he “hoped” mccain was in hell. we just had someone in this thread explicitly wish that Duncan Hunter fall into a volcano and now you are criticizing Trump for being “glad that [McCain is] gone.” it is possible to be glad someone is gone without being glad they are dead per se


I agree, the tweet did not have Trump saying that he hoped mccain, or anyone, was in hell (even though he did choose to explicitly mention the possibility).

Trump is an elected representative with a huge amount of power and influence, not a semi-anonymous person ranting on a web forum. It's a LITTLE different when he says something expressing happiness at someone's death.

I agree, it is possible to be glad someone is gone without being glad they are dead, in general. And it can even be possible to communicate this. What is emphatically not possible is that a tweet that basically reads They're gone. Dead. Possibly to hell. I'm so glad they're gone is not communicating happiness at the death thing. The whole death bit, and deliberate choice to mention the hell possibility, removes the possibility entirely. A kid who has just processed why their goldfish mysteriously changed shape and colour one morning could figure out that the death and happiness bits of the tweet were connected.
Unless you are just mentioning that last sentence of possibility for lulz. Like I'm sure Trump mentioned the less green pastures for lulz.

The whole pretending context doesn't matter shtick gets old really fast, and is not a good look.


ah well i hope you guys remember this conversation if Trump suddenly dies in office

“i’m glad he is gone good riddance . . . what? of course death is a tragedy”

May I refer you to my comments following the death of Scalia? I said I was glad he was gone. If you'd like clarification over whether I'd rather he were dead than stayed on the Supreme Court the answer is yes. If Trump left office I'd be glad. If it's due to his syphilis finally finishing him off, still glad.


well if you were of the opinion that it’s perfectly fine to be happy an opponent is dead all along why didn’t you say so?

Because for whatever reason you decided to argue about how it was totally ambiguous to be glad that the dead guy was gone and that even though he was only gone because he died of cancer that doesn't mean you were glad that he died of cancer, only that you're glad that something (brain cancer) took him.

The Pope didn't buy that shit when Henry II tried it and I won't buy it now.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23060 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 01:11:34
June 27 2019 01:10 GMT
#31787
With no opening statements and back to Warren already some of the candidates might not even speak lol

On June 27 2019 10:09 Nebuchad wrote:
Beto is a massive joke


Yup. I mean I guess he's hoping to hang on till Nevada or just run for Senate.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 01:11 GMT
#31788
Poor Castro. What a garbage question for him to answer for his debut.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4701 Posts
June 27 2019 01:12 GMT
#31789
On June 27 2019 10:09 xDaunt wrote:
Spartacus gave a pretty good, direct answer.


A lot of people like normal Booker, maybe he tries to actually be that person. it's less fun though.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 27 2019 01:12 GMT
#31790
On June 27 2019 10:09 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 10:04 IgnE wrote:
On June 27 2019 09:50 KwarK wrote:
On June 27 2019 09:46 IgnE wrote:
On June 27 2019 08:45 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On June 27 2019 02:37 IgnE wrote:
On June 27 2019 02:09 Doodsmack wrote:
Here's Trump saying that hes glad McCain is dead, and he hopes McCain went to hell. I'm confused why this isn't garnering headlines.

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1143920655999655936


probably because that’s not what he said. he did not say he “hoped” mccain was in hell. we just had someone in this thread explicitly wish that Duncan Hunter fall into a volcano and now you are criticizing Trump for being “glad that [McCain is] gone.” it is possible to be glad someone is gone without being glad they are dead per se


I agree, the tweet did not have Trump saying that he hoped mccain, or anyone, was in hell (even though he did choose to explicitly mention the possibility).

Trump is an elected representative with a huge amount of power and influence, not a semi-anonymous person ranting on a web forum. It's a LITTLE different when he says something expressing happiness at someone's death.

I agree, it is possible to be glad someone is gone without being glad they are dead, in general. And it can even be possible to communicate this. What is emphatically not possible is that a tweet that basically reads They're gone. Dead. Possibly to hell. I'm so glad they're gone is not communicating happiness at the death thing. The whole death bit, and deliberate choice to mention the hell possibility, removes the possibility entirely. A kid who has just processed why their goldfish mysteriously changed shape and colour one morning could figure out that the death and happiness bits of the tweet were connected.
Unless you are just mentioning that last sentence of possibility for lulz. Like I'm sure Trump mentioned the less green pastures for lulz.

The whole pretending context doesn't matter shtick gets old really fast, and is not a good look.


ah well i hope you guys remember this conversation if Trump suddenly dies in office

“i’m glad he is gone good riddance . . . what? of course death is a tragedy”

May I refer you to my comments following the death of Scalia? I said I was glad he was gone. If you'd like clarification over whether I'd rather he were dead than stayed on the Supreme Court the answer is yes. If Trump left office I'd be glad. If it's due to his syphilis finally finishing him off, still glad.


well if you were of the opinion that it’s perfectly fine to be happy an opponent is dead all along why didn’t you say so?

Because for whatever reason you decided to argue about how it was totally ambiguous to be glad that the dead guy was gone and that even though he was only gone because he died of cancer that doesn't mean you were glad that he died of cancer, only that you're glad that something (brain cancer) took him.

The Pope didn't buy that shit when Henry II tried it and I won't buy it now.


i prefer to think of my position as an ethically nuanced one rather than the ethical tribalism or nihilism you seem to be espousing
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 01:13 GMT
#31791
I think Tulsi just confused everyone. No one knew what the hell she was answering,
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12081 Posts
June 27 2019 01:15 GMT
#31792
That was good from de Blasio
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 27 2019 01:15 GMT
#31793
wasn't tulsi asked a question about income inequality
© Current year.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 01:16:43
June 27 2019 01:15 GMT
#31794
De Blasio desperately wants to average above 1%

edit: or is it 0%
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 01:16 GMT
#31795
Good for Inslee, he’s the first to go at Trump.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23060 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 01:18:21
June 27 2019 01:16 GMT
#31796
On June 27 2019 10:13 xDaunt wrote:
I think Tulsi just confused everyone. No one knew what the hell she was answering,


She knew that might be her only chance to answer a question before most viewers stop paying attention.
On June 27 2019 10:15 CorsairHero wrote:
wasn't tulsi asked a question about income inequality


Equal pay for women which she could have tied into her service but she probably panicked and just stuck with her stump opener/"hey man I'm legit" response to skeptical voters.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 01:18 GMT
#31797
Ryan is too stiff, white, and male for this Democrat party.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 27 2019 01:18 GMT
#31798
Warren again, huh? Looks like the fix is in.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42421 Posts
June 27 2019 01:19 GMT
#31799
On June 27 2019 10:12 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 10:09 KwarK wrote:
On June 27 2019 10:04 IgnE wrote:
On June 27 2019 09:50 KwarK wrote:
On June 27 2019 09:46 IgnE wrote:
On June 27 2019 08:45 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On June 27 2019 02:37 IgnE wrote:
On June 27 2019 02:09 Doodsmack wrote:
Here's Trump saying that hes glad McCain is dead, and he hopes McCain went to hell. I'm confused why this isn't garnering headlines.

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1143920655999655936


probably because that’s not what he said. he did not say he “hoped” mccain was in hell. we just had someone in this thread explicitly wish that Duncan Hunter fall into a volcano and now you are criticizing Trump for being “glad that [McCain is] gone.” it is possible to be glad someone is gone without being glad they are dead per se


I agree, the tweet did not have Trump saying that he hoped mccain, or anyone, was in hell (even though he did choose to explicitly mention the possibility).

Trump is an elected representative with a huge amount of power and influence, not a semi-anonymous person ranting on a web forum. It's a LITTLE different when he says something expressing happiness at someone's death.

I agree, it is possible to be glad someone is gone without being glad they are dead, in general. And it can even be possible to communicate this. What is emphatically not possible is that a tweet that basically reads They're gone. Dead. Possibly to hell. I'm so glad they're gone is not communicating happiness at the death thing. The whole death bit, and deliberate choice to mention the hell possibility, removes the possibility entirely. A kid who has just processed why their goldfish mysteriously changed shape and colour one morning could figure out that the death and happiness bits of the tweet were connected.
Unless you are just mentioning that last sentence of possibility for lulz. Like I'm sure Trump mentioned the less green pastures for lulz.

The whole pretending context doesn't matter shtick gets old really fast, and is not a good look.


ah well i hope you guys remember this conversation if Trump suddenly dies in office

“i’m glad he is gone good riddance . . . what? of course death is a tragedy”

May I refer you to my comments following the death of Scalia? I said I was glad he was gone. If you'd like clarification over whether I'd rather he were dead than stayed on the Supreme Court the answer is yes. If Trump left office I'd be glad. If it's due to his syphilis finally finishing him off, still glad.


well if you were of the opinion that it’s perfectly fine to be happy an opponent is dead all along why didn’t you say so?

Because for whatever reason you decided to argue about how it was totally ambiguous to be glad that the dead guy was gone and that even though he was only gone because he died of cancer that doesn't mean you were glad that he died of cancer, only that you're glad that something (brain cancer) took him.

The Pope didn't buy that shit when Henry II tried it and I won't buy it now.


i prefer to think of my position as an ethically nuanced one rather than the ethical tribalism or nihilism you seem to be espousing

Do I come across as especially tribal? I wouldn't consider myself a fan of either US party, it's just I only have so much anger at political stupidity to give and the current administration is sucking it all out of me. You'll find plenty of attacks on Corbyn by me in the UK topic though and he's far left of the Democrats. You'll also note that I don't stand behind members of the tribe, such as advocating that if Omar defrauded the government she should resign.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23060 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 01:21:42
June 27 2019 01:19 GMT
#31800
Double: But man Warren is talking a lot.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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