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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 24 2019 08:42 Danglars wrote: Julian Assange is being charged under the Espionage Act. Some commentators say the choice of charges implicates some first amendment protections for journalists. The legal precedent for using the act for this kind of disclosure has the New York Times worried: NYT I think he's rotten and on the hook for more. However, criminalizing journalistic conduct ... essentially the government saying who is and isn't a journalist and enjoying protections ... looks like a bad deal. I agree. It feels like he had something coming for forever, and they didn't need to do it like this. It's tempting to celebrate his deplatforming, but this isn't as simple as that. Ostensibly, "it's not about punishing the act of journalism", but it can very easily veer that way in the future. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States22988 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12045 Posts
On May 24 2019 09:31 JimmiC wrote: Id say it is because we have heard the call for revolution for years and years and better unerstand both the cost of such an event and require some sort of realistic plan for how it would happen. Otherwise it is another starbucks communist who spouts only the solution, peace privileged it has also been described as. It is a little like when Leo and others call him an environmentalist while he flys his private jet around and takes out his yaut. Without the 1990s you would also understand the cost of not considering a revolution. There's climate change but even without that, it's not like it's not been clear for a while that we're going backwards. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22988 Posts
If the institutions we have today offer a path to those necessary changes it seems peculiar that those counting on them have been the most ardent that they can't be fixed because of the very nature of the system to which they belong. That's to say those opposing revolution simultaneously insist that we can't remove the proprietors of the system, dismiss the only viable alternative (based on their own assessment), then refuse to acknowledge they share Kwarks position. | ||
Nebuchad
Switzerland12045 Posts
On May 24 2019 09:57 JimmiC wrote: Well I don't disagree that there are many things you can point to that show we are going backwards, there are other things that we are way ahead on. There is also the fact that when you have a revolution there is no guarantee who wins, and you are beholden to who ever wins. Right now whether it is Brazil, Italy, India, so on the far right is the one gaining steam not the left. And without the protections that democracy offers the left has shown time and time again that the people who raise to the top are still interested in power/money extras. I'm far more interested in finding ways of protecting democracy not destroying it and handing the power to someone who says they have all the answers. You have a far better chance of making real difference by getting out there and impacting the system, there are tons of ways to do it. There is no guarantee who wins when you consider a revolution but there is a guarantee who wins when you don't: it's the rightwing. You can make that case empirically as that is happening right now in the world. But you can also make that case in the marketplace of ideologies: in liberalism there is a hierarchy, but that hierarchy is preferable to those that came before liberalism because it's based on merit. The people who are on top deserve it. The corollary to that is that the people who are on the bottom deserve it as well: they didn't have enough merit to rise to the top. Now I'm not sure who thought that this was going to work but it doesn't, and if/when they are dissatisfied, the people at the bottom have two ways of fighting against this. Either they fight against the hierarchy (which is now unavailable because we can't consider a revolution), or they fight to change their place in the hierarchy (by taking the place of other people; and that's where marginalized groups become the easiest victims). Granted, if things are going well for your society in general, people won't notice that they're at the bottom as much, and they won't push back. But your society isn't likely to go well in general: since there's no pressure from the left, the capitalists are free to accumulate a lion's share of the wealth, and they do. And when an economic crisis comes, as they always will under capitalism, the absence of this money that isn't there anymore is going to be felt. | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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KwarK
United States42252 Posts
Give him a year and he’ll be obstructing the investigation into the obstruction of the investigation into the obstruction of the investigation. The man simply does not understand why he can’t abuse his powers to make people stop investigating him for shit. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The master plan to drag this out through the courts is failing, because the courts are not dragging their feet to be put in between the executive who refuses to produce anything and congress that won't back down. | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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micronesia
United States24631 Posts
On May 24 2019 10:29 xDaunt wrote: The declassification order extends to the Department of Energy. Perhaps we are about to learn what really happened with Uranium One? Can you source this? I'm interested in reading about the DoE angle. | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 24 2019 10:32 micronesia wrote: Can you source this? I'm interested in reading about the DoE angle. https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-memorandum-on-agency-cooperation-with-attorney-1834993466 There’s a link to the memo. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States42252 Posts
On May 24 2019 10:29 xDaunt wrote: The declassification order extends to the Department of Energy. Perhaps we are about to learn what really happened with Uranium One? Dude, it's a conspiracy theory that doesn't make any sense. This has been explained to you countless times. At this point you're at moon landing levels of denial. What really happened with Uranium One is that a company bought a mine in Kazakhstan and then sold it a few years later. The premise is a guy who didn't actually own a mining company or have any financial ties with one but used to bribed Hillary Clinton in 2005 (during the Bush administration) by donating money to a charitable foundation that spent it on fighting AIDS. Hillary Clinton was so grateful for the 2005 charitable donation that she went on to lose the Democratic Party nomination and eventually become the Secretary of State. Meanwhile the mining company that wasn't owned by the donor went on to merge with another mining company which owned mines in the former Soviet Republic of Kazakhstan. Hillary, whose new powers that did not include approving the sale of the mine, was therefore in a position to repay the donor for the AIDS money by having a bunch of other independent people approve a sale of the new company to Russia, thus repaying the guy who wasn't actually involved with Uranium One at all by having no impact on the shares which he didn't own, both at the time of the donation and later when Hillary repaid him for the donation. In a coincidence so remote that it can only be viewed as suspicious every independent official reviewing the deal all concluded that Russia gaining access to the uranium ore mines that used to be in Russia probably wasn't a security threat. Their unanimous agreement was obviously obtained by Hillary. The uranium mines in the former Soviet Republic of Kazakhstan produced strategic reserves of American uranium which was exported to Russia through the mechanism of leaving it in the ground, in Kazakhstan, for Russia to collect. This uranium led to the creation of the first Russian nuclear weapon in 1949 and led to the start of the Cold War. It's one hell of a story. | ||
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micronesia
United States24631 Posts
On May 24 2019 10:34 xDaunt wrote: https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-memorandum-on-agency-cooperation-with-attorney-1834993466 There’s a link to the memo. Thanks. This effort doesn't touch restricted data or formerly restricted data, so I don't think there will be much impact for the DoE. | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 24 2019 10:30 Danglars wrote: Finally we'll have the surveillance info. Barr was pretty quick with the giant Mueller report release, so hopefully he can carry this out with great speed too. Americans deserve answers on the surveillance campaign and actions of domestic spies. Brennan, Comey, Clapper, and the other Obama-era agency heads are toast. But here’s my big prediction: Obama himself is going to be implicated in authorizing and directing the unlawful spying on Americans. The biggest winner here will be the ghost of Nixon, because Obama is going to supplant him as being the most abusive president in history. | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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