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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 22 2019 02:48 GMT
#29521
I think adults can see any source and view the author or elected representative's statements despite the forum. It doesn't matter if AOC used The Guardian or NPR to talk about some subject, she's an elected representative and her words have meaning apart from who's holding the microphone.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 22 2019 03:00 GMT
#29522
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 22 2019 03:12 GMT
#29523
More than a handful of House members are complete idiots, Democrat and Republican alike. Nunes is one of those. And Fox News is happy to air whatever dumb shit Nunes is going to say.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 22 2019 03:19 GMT
#29524
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-22 03:26:53
May 22 2019 03:25 GMT
#29525
On May 22 2019 12:19 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.

That's fine in general terms, but it rapidly breaks down when you look at the video that's been linked and remember that Nunes is an ass clown with no credibility. When I say "lol Fox News" or use a few more lines than that to say the like, it's because they willingly and endlessly peddle the shit idiots like Nunes have to say.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 22 2019 03:27 GMT
#29526
On May 22 2019 12:19 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.

I just find it funny that they are still ignoring Nunes when everything that he has said about this Spygate/Russiagate stuff has proven correct. It's really going to be hilarious when the declassification hits.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
May 22 2019 03:40 GMT
#29527
On May 22 2019 12:27 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 12:19 Danglars wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.

I just find it funny that they are still ignoring Nunes when everything that he has said about this Spygate/Russiagate stuff has proven correct. It's really going to be hilarious when the declassification hits.


I'm not going to harass you about it, but I'm just curious about your reasoning for not answering whether you think Trump is moral?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-22 03:44:34
May 22 2019 03:40 GMT
#29528
On May 22 2019 08:46 iamthedave wrote:

However, this is also Trump, and I believe by now we should be well past the point of 'that's too petty for Trump'. There is nothing in the world too petty for Trump. The man became President and EVEN THAT isn't enough for him to stop spending half his time attacking his enemies instead of actually running the country.

If you want petty, you should check out the first of the two Cohen closed door hearing transcripts I linked a few pages back. I read half of the first one last night (it's pretty entertaining! How Cohen speaks actually translates quite well to reading because it flows). He spends a chunk of time talking about the ridiculous shit Trump got him to do.

Check this out (edited slightly for clarity since it's transcript of spoken words):
Cohen: Do you want a better example? We could -- oh, the ones with the CNBC poll that people are talking about now, where I helped to rig the poll.

Goldman: Did he know about that?

Cohen: Yes.

Goldman: And what did he know about that?

Cohen: So I actually found a document, "CNBC Contenders." lt says "Michael C." with an arrow pointed down. Came to his office. Generally the way that that would work was Rhona or one of the young ladies in the front would send an email out to everyone in the company saying, "Mr. Trump is on the contenders list. Please log on to your various devices and vote for him," or one of the golf courses or what have you. And in this specific case, it was for him as one of the top businesspeople, you know, in the world, recognized.

Wasn't doing very well in the poll and brought it to my attention. When it said "Michael C.," pointing down, what that means is come see him about it. And so I did. And I told him that, you know, there are ways that you could play with these online polls by using bots and algorithms and so on, that there's a company
that I know that can actually do it.

And he said, well -- he goes, you know, how good do you think that they can do this? And I said, you know, they could do
anything. lt all depends on how many lP addresses that you're able to, you know, to use.

So he said, I want to be number one. And I said, well, that would kind of be suspicious, don't you think? Like, out of 250, I think we're, like, 238 or 240, something like that. And I said, it'd be kind of suspicious. How about if we just go for number 9? He says, all right, number 9 is good because it was top 10.

So I reached out to this company called Redfinch, and they started. And we moved up, like, 50, 60 points in the day, and I showed him, and he was pleased. And I said that we needed, like, another $6,000 to buy another 100,000 lP addresses, and he said, okay. And I went ahead and bought those. And then we're up into the mid-30s or 40s and needed another, like, $8,000 to buy another 250,000 bots, lP addresses. And I went to him, and he said, okay, great.

And then we finally got to number of 9, and then the poll closed.

But CNBC had a little clause at the bottom that said that we have the right to remove anybody that we want from the poll simply because we want to. And he was very upset about it. And so was T. Boone Pickens, who was number 8. And I have an email to this effect, too, where T. Boone Pickens' assistant contacts Rhona, saying, should our PR people get together and do something about Mr. Pickens being removed as number 8 and Mr. Trump number 9?

Mr. Trump calls me in. He's really upset, even though, of course, we really didn't win, but he was very upset about it. And he had me reach out to - I think his name is Mark Halioran, who is the president of CNBC. And I said to him, it's not right, you know, we're going to bring a lawsuit. You basically did this in order to get people's lP addresses so that you have more addresses for marketing.

And that's just as an example of something that I would say it's not illegal, it's just improper.
Trump spent thousands of dollars rigging a stupid online popularity poll for a cable news channel because he didn't want to be in nearly last place. There's a story before this one that talks about Cohen settling an insurance claim for Trump regarding a bathroom and a humidifier, but sadly the meat of it is redacted. Since Cohen was talking about immoral, petty stuff Trump was doing, I'm really curious what happened with that.

Cohen also got kinda goofy at times because he was so tired from 2 days of questioning in a row. I legitimately laughed when I read this answer (1001 is making false statements):
Goldman: You said before that you know Mr. Trump and that you believe that the reason why he did not go speak with the special counse l was because he was concerned about a perjury trap. "Perjury trap" has a technical definition, but I'm curious what you mean by that.

Cohen: Well, you lie, you get hit with 1001, and then you end up my roommate.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 22 2019 03:55 GMT
#29529
On May 22 2019 12:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 12:27 xDaunt wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:19 Danglars wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.

I just find it funny that they are still ignoring Nunes when everything that he has said about this Spygate/Russiagate stuff has proven correct. It's really going to be hilarious when the declassification hits.


I'm not going to harass you about it, but I'm just curious about your reasoning for not answering whether you think Trump is moral?

Moral in what sense? There are certainly aspects of his personal life that I don't approve of. But as president, I think he's been fine.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 22 2019 04:09 GMT
#29530
On May 22 2019 12:25 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 12:19 Danglars wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.

That's fine in general terms, but it rapidly breaks down when you look at the video that's been linked and remember that Nunes is an ass clown with no credibility. When I say "lol Fox News" or use a few more lines than that to say the like, it's because they willingly and endlessly peddle the shit idiots like Nunes have to say.

When you say "lol Fox News," I won't personally autocorrect it to "lol I think Nunes is a joke no matter who interviews him." Say what you mean and we'll get along better.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-22 04:10:42
May 22 2019 04:10 GMT
#29531
On May 22 2019 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 12:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:27 xDaunt wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:19 Danglars wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.

I just find it funny that they are still ignoring Nunes when everything that he has said about this Spygate/Russiagate stuff has proven correct. It's really going to be hilarious when the declassification hits.


I'm not going to harass you about it, but I'm just curious about your reasoning for not answering whether you think Trump is moral?

Moral in what sense? There are certainly aspects of his personal life that I don't approve of. But as president, I think he's been fine.


I don't think morality splits itself into a professional and personal capacity. One either tries to be a moral being or doesn't afaik. Granted we all fall short sometimes, my question is whether he fits the textbook definition of a moral person in your view?

1. concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

2. holding or manifesting high principles for proper conduct.


Or I suppose I'd like you to expand on your understanding of morality that distinguishes one's personal behavior from their professional behavior?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 22 2019 04:29 GMT
#29532
On May 22 2019 13:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:27 xDaunt wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:19 Danglars wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.

I just find it funny that they are still ignoring Nunes when everything that he has said about this Spygate/Russiagate stuff has proven correct. It's really going to be hilarious when the declassification hits.


I'm not going to harass you about it, but I'm just curious about your reasoning for not answering whether you think Trump is moral?

Moral in what sense? There are certainly aspects of his personal life that I don't approve of. But as president, I think he's been fine.


I don't think morality splits itself into a professional and personal capacity. One either tries to be a moral being or doesn't afaik. Granted we all fall short sometimes, my question is whether he fits the textbook definition of a moral person in your view?

Show nested quote +
1. concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

2. holding or manifesting high principles for proper conduct.


Or I suppose I'd like you to expand on your understanding of morality that distinguishes one's personal behavior from their professional behavior?

I’ve never pretended that Trump is some paragon of virtue. But regardless of personal shortcomings, I do find that he has governed morally enough as president.

Let me ask you this question: do you think Obama was moral?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 22 2019 05:37 GMT
#29533
On May 22 2019 09:51 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 06:25 Danglars wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:00 xDaunt wrote:
By the way, reports are coming out that Mueller is refusing to testify before congress. I guarantee you that he knows that he's going to get hammered by republicans on various aspects of his report and investigation, particularly as it pertains to the Russia collusion narrative. Let's see if Nadler subpoenas him.

I can only imagine Mueller testifying under oath. Why such relative silence on the dossier claims? Why did the Trump tower meeting only get a footnote and line worth of mention as well? Why was the dossier's origination not investigated as possible attempts by Russia to influence the election?

And of course, wtf did he mean with the no-conclusion conclusion but kinda conclusion but prosecutorally nothing at all. What's he think his role is as prosecutor in a criminal justice system? What's it mean to air all the dirty laundry not rising to a crime, but leave the actually statement of such to the AG?


This is the part that may get Mueller in trouble. In Brennan-speak, there's a growing "corpus" of evidence showing not only that the FBI knew that the dossier was rotten before using it, but also that its information came directly from Kremlin-insiders who were very close to Putin -- notably Surkov. The recent revelations on the Kavalec notes are particularly illuminating on both of these points. And people who have dug deeper on the various players in the origins of the dossier have noted that basically everyone involved -- from FusionGPS, to the American three-letter agencies, to Halper, to the UK intelligence networks, to even the Russian sources (via the Skolkovo project and Uranium 1) -- have some connection to the Clintons. That's quite an interesting coincidence. Pay attention to what Nunes says here about Mifsud in his "hypothetical" (start at 3:10):



"Let's say he was working for some organization that was hired either by a spy agency, a contractor, or possibly a campaign."

I promise you that Nunes did not throw that out there casually.

Anyway, the scuttlebutt from the FoxNews hosts that are following this stuff is that Trump is going to start the declassification process either this week or next, and the first thing that he's going to declassify is the exculpatory evidence that the FBI hid from the FISA court. This is probably why Trey Gowdy has been making the rounds over the past few days talking about transcripts of surreptitious recordings of Papadopoulos that the FBI has but failed to present to the FISA court:

Show nested quote +
Former Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., says there are unreleased transcripts of recorded conversations between FBI informants and former Trump campaign associate George Papadopoulos that “has the potential to be a game changer.”

In a Fox News interview with Maria Bartiromo on Sunday, the former House Oversight Committee chairman said when the FBI listens in on phone calls or sends in an informant wearing a wire then “there’s a transcript of that” and that “one in particular has the potential to actually persuade people.”


Getting back to Mueller, he would have had all of this stuff during the course of the investigation. If he kept it hidden during the prosecution, he's going to have some ethical issues to face at a minimum. At worst, he may be a conspirator with the other FBI/DOJ officials who were in on this. We'll find out soon enough.

Yeah, the Kavalec notes were just insane. I think I learned about them from Byron York had Andy McCarthy on to talk John Durham and Carter Page. The FBI is busy building up Steele in the report as a veteran that's been useful in the past. Far before that, he's claiming that he has solid info on a payment stream from the Russian Consulate in Miami.

There is no Russian Consulate in Miami. Christopher Steele needs to google when he goes to verify his sources or invent storylines. So they have at least two sources for the abundant inaccuracies in the memo prior to calling it "reliable" and "unaware of any derogatory information pertaining" to the informant.

Speaking of derogatory information pertaining to the informant, he's busy leaking these things to the media as well. As John Solomon puts it,
Even if the FBI didn’t get Kavalec's memo, it is just as implausible that the bureau couldn’t figure out, during the many hours that its agents spent with Steele, what Kavalec divined in a few short minutes: He was political, inaccurate, spinning wild theories and talking to the media.

All those concerns would weigh against Steele’s credibility and should have been disclosed to the judges under the honor system that governs the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, experts say.

Steele offered Kavalec other wild information that easily could have been debunked before the FISA application — and eventually was, in many cases, after the media reported the allegations — including that:

Trump lawyer Michael Cohen traveled to Prague to meet with Russians;

Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort owed the Russians $100 million and was the “go-between” from Russian President Vladimir Putin to Trump;

Trump adviser Carter Page met with a senior Russian businessman tied to Putin;

The Russians secretly communicated with Trump through a computer system.

Notes and testimony from senior Justice Department official Bruce Ohr make clear Steele admitted early on that he was “desperate” to get Trump defeated in the election, was working in some capacity for the GOP candidate’s opponent, and considered his intelligence raw and untested. Ohr testified that he alerted FBI and other senior Justice officials to these concerns in August 2016.

Steele eventually was fired by the FBI for leaking to the press — in violation of his source agreement with the bureau — and lying about it. But that did not happen until Nov. 1, 2016 — after the FISA warrant was secured. And, even then, the court wasn’t notified until a few months later, well after Election Day.
The Hill

As Andy McCarthy puts it, the FBI is legally obligated to update the FISA court if the representations they make to the court are found to be false. They had time to do that before, and later slow tracked that disclosure. What a clown show. The trio at the DoJ can't finish their investigation soon enough.

(If the linked Byron/McCarthy audio is too long, he repeats many of the points in this national review article
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-22 06:38:57
May 22 2019 06:22 GMT
#29534
On May 22 2019 13:29 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 13:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:27 xDaunt wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:19 Danglars wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.

I just find it funny that they are still ignoring Nunes when everything that he has said about this Spygate/Russiagate stuff has proven correct. It's really going to be hilarious when the declassification hits.


I'm not going to harass you about it, but I'm just curious about your reasoning for not answering whether you think Trump is moral?

Moral in what sense? There are certainly aspects of his personal life that I don't approve of. But as president, I think he's been fine.


I don't think morality splits itself into a professional and personal capacity. One either tries to be a moral being or doesn't afaik. Granted we all fall short sometimes, my question is whether he fits the textbook definition of a moral person in your view?

1. concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

2. holding or manifesting high principles for proper conduct.


Or I suppose I'd like you to expand on your understanding of morality that distinguishes one's personal behavior from their professional behavior?

I’ve never pretended that Trump is some paragon of virtue. But regardless of personal shortcomings, I do find that he has governed morally enough as president.


"Morally enough" for/relative to what?

Let me ask you this question: do you think Obama was moral?


No, I don't.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
May 22 2019 12:09 GMT
#29535
On May 22 2019 13:29 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 13:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:27 xDaunt wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:19 Danglars wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.

I just find it funny that they are still ignoring Nunes when everything that he has said about this Spygate/Russiagate stuff has proven correct. It's really going to be hilarious when the declassification hits.


I'm not going to harass you about it, but I'm just curious about your reasoning for not answering whether you think Trump is moral?

Moral in what sense? There are certainly aspects of his personal life that I don't approve of. But as president, I think he's been fine.


I don't think morality splits itself into a professional and personal capacity. One either tries to be a moral being or doesn't afaik. Granted we all fall short sometimes, my question is whether he fits the textbook definition of a moral person in your view?

1. concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

2. holding or manifesting high principles for proper conduct.


Or I suppose I'd like you to expand on your understanding of morality that distinguishes one's personal behavior from their professional behavior?

I’ve never pretended that Trump is some paragon of virtue. But regardless of personal shortcomings, I do find that he has governed morally enough as president.

Let me ask you this question: do you think Obama was moral?


Surprised you'd ask that. GH has been very vocal about his dislike of Obama and he's never forgiven him for the drone strikes wave. It's one of the things he mentions almost every time Obama's name comes up. (not a dig at GH, just this particular thing very obviously pissed him off)
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
May 22 2019 12:15 GMT
#29536
Taking children from their parents, not registering who those children belong to so that they become lost in the system and then putting them on display in cages at the border is now somehow 'moral' behaviour.

But heaven forbid you dare to call people who believe that 'deplorable'.
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 22 2019 12:20 GMT
#29537
On May 22 2019 13:09 Danglars wrote:
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On May 22 2019 12:25 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:19 Danglars wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:00 NewSunshine wrote:
Most legitimate stories are also posted on more than 1 or 2 outlets. If Fox News and Breitbart are the ones peddling a story that makes no sense because nobody else is running anything like it, I'm gonna have serious reservations about that story.

If someone who's newsworthy appears on a network, I'm interested. You're really being disingenuous pretending that it's "legitimate stories" or "peddling a story" when it's the literal subject of the interview and what that person is saying that is important.

I'll put it simply for you. Elected politicians are not straight news articles or opinion articles or opinion hosts. Let's get that straight.

That's fine in general terms, but it rapidly breaks down when you look at the video that's been linked and remember that Nunes is an ass clown with no credibility. When I say "lol Fox News" or use a few more lines than that to say the like, it's because they willingly and endlessly peddle the shit idiots like Nunes have to say.

When you say "lol Fox News," I won't personally autocorrect it to "lol I think Nunes is a joke no matter who interviews him." Say what you mean and we'll get along better.

I thought it was obvious enough, anyone who sees the video pop up knows what it's about. And I'm generally not concerned with trying to get along with people who go out of their way to be condescending, so don't worry.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9077 Posts
May 22 2019 12:41 GMT
#29538
On May 22 2019 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:
Taking children from their parents, not registering who those children belong to so that they become lost in the system and then putting them on display in cages at the border is now somehow 'moral' behaviour.

But heaven forbid you dare to call people who believe that 'deplorable'.

Not to mention the bold face lies of bringing back coal jobs and installing a new tax structure that screws his base harder than he did Stormy Daniels. Or the tariff and trade pissing match between mexico, canada, and china that is gonna hurt more than it helps.

All acceptable
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9644 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-22 12:56:56
May 22 2019 12:56 GMT
#29539
as news continues to break that it seems more and more likely Congress will eventually get their hands on Trumps tax returns, the optimist in me continues to hope they’ll find nothing.

but also for all the traction this absurd shit is gaining i kind of also hope they do have some bombshell to drop from them else this will have looked all very stupid for nothing. when the best possible outcome of all this is piece of mind, it doesn’t look good imo.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44440 Posts
May 22 2019 13:13 GMT
#29540
On May 22 2019 21:56 brian wrote:
as news continues to break that it seems more and more likely Congress will eventually get their hands on Trumps tax returns, the optimist in me continues to hope they’ll find nothing.

but also for all the traction this absurd shit is gaining i kind of also hope they do have some bombshell to drop from them else this will have looked all very stupid for nothing. when the best possible outcome of all this is piece of mind, it doesn’t look good imo.

The stupid thing is they’re going to all this trouble to make him do something which the politicians generally voluntarily to be transparent. Tax returns don’t give that much info, especially if it’s all flow through entities and you don’t have the work papers. But it’s something he should have done. It’s not stupid to make him conform to the basic norms of political practice. Maybe after they’re done they can get him to stop charging the secret service for the use of Trump tower etc.
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