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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 06 2019 15:17 GMT
#28581
On May 06 2019 14:03 hunts wrote:
Man, barr sure sounds like a real law and order kind of guy right there.

He's a good example of Republicans' authority fetish. Church psychology ends up manifesting in weird ways.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
May 06 2019 15:58 GMT
#28582
The house has moved to hold Barr in Contempt.

It seems that they only need the house majority to do so, they don't need buy in from the senate. From what I have read it is a non pardonable offense so Trump cant just write it away

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/house-judiciary-panel-moving-hold-ag-barr-contempt-n1002326
Something witty
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-06 16:39:28
May 06 2019 16:36 GMT
#28583
On May 07 2019 00:58 IyMoon wrote:
The house has moved to hold Barr in Contempt.

It seems that they only need the house majority to do so, they don't need buy in from the senate. From what I have read it is a non pardonable offense so Trump cant just write it away

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/house-judiciary-panel-moving-hold-ag-barr-contempt-n1002326

He was also supposed to testify regarding the report, and didn't show up. I thought the chicken photo was just a meme. That shit was real. There's only so many times you guys can go "yeah, we totally have no problem handing over the report" and then just not hand it over. This shit's not going away, and especially not when everyone involved keeps acting guilty as fuck.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 06 2019 16:39 GMT
#28584
I welcome Democrats voting Barr in contempt over something this stupid. It redounds to their shame. It's over the 6e retractions required by law. They want Barr to go before some court and argue that the judge should give him a court order because some congressmen just want to see.

My opinion would be different if the redactions were substantial passages providing the backup to following, unredacted passages, or comprised a high percentage of the report. They don't. Democrats are playing politics once again.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 06 2019 16:45 GMT
#28585
First off, all congress does is play politics. That is literally the game of the game. One does not get elected to the House or Senate to not play politics. Second, Republicans did the same thing to Holder when they didn’t like the responses he provided to their investigation. It isn’t like Barr didn’t know this was coming when he decided to not show up to the hearing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 06 2019 17:07 GMT
#28586
The hearing was pure show. They crafted ground rules they knew he would not agree to in order to get him to decline. Come willingly, so our subordinates can grill you and create sound bites? At least if Hirono wants to smear instead of question, she has to put her own face behind it and not send some underling to undertake it.

Holder at least withheld documents to the point where even Democrats signed on to hold him in contempt. You don't give guns away that kill Americans and stonewall the investigation without consequences.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 06 2019 17:25 GMT
#28587
I see the usual suspects are still defending barr refusing to hand over the totally witch hunt report that totally exonerates trump. I hope the house can put him in a nice cell and throw away the key until he decides to abide by the actual law.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-06 17:33:15
May 06 2019 17:29 GMT
#28588
On May 07 2019 02:07 Danglars wrote:
The hearing was pure show. They crafted ground rules they knew he would not agree to in order to get him to decline. Come willingly, so our subordinates can grill you and create sound bites? At least if Hirono wants to smear instead of question, she has to put her own face behind it and not send some underling to undertake it.

Holder at least withheld documents to the point where even Democrats signed on to hold him in contempt. You don't give guns away that kill Americans and stonewall the investigation without consequences.

You don't stand up the House of Representatives and not provide them with the information they want without consequences. The Trump administration has said they are fighting every effort the House makes towards oversight, including requests to produce documents from his taxes and businesses. Oversight over the executive branch is a basic function of congress and the executive branch doesn't get to decide what oversight entails.

You might not like it, but this is how it works. Congress has the right to investigate the president’s businesses while he is in office. They have the right to have staff lawyers question the AG on his conclusions in the report. Congress created the justice department and AG’s office, so the AG can answer questions from the staff lawyers.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
May 06 2019 17:45 GMT
#28589
More than 370 former federal prosecutors have signed a statement saying they believe special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation would have resulted in obstruction of justice charges for Donald Trump if he wasn’t the president of the United States.



https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statement-by-former-federal-prosecutors-8ab7691c2aa1

What are we going with? Democrats paid them, deep state, they don't know shit, shills?

I mean clearly they can't hold a candle compared to our resident law experts, so where is that coming from?


We are former federal prosecutors. We served under both Republican and Democratic administrations at different levels of the federal system: as line attorneys, supervisors, special prosecutors, United States Attorneys, and senior officials at the Department of Justice.


Maybe we going with "smalltown nothings"?

Someone help me please.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 06 2019 17:46 GMT
#28590
On May 07 2019 02:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2019 02:07 Danglars wrote:
The hearing was pure show. They crafted ground rules they knew he would not agree to in order to get him to decline. Come willingly, so our subordinates can grill you and create sound bites? At least if Hirono wants to smear instead of question, she has to put her own face behind it and not send some underling to undertake it.

Holder at least withheld documents to the point where even Democrats signed on to hold him in contempt. You don't give guns away that kill Americans and stonewall the investigation without consequences.

You don't stand up the House of Representatives and not provide them with the information they want without consequences. The Trump administration has said they are fighting every effort the House makes towards oversight, including requests to produce documents from his taxes and businesses. Oversight over the executive branch is a basic function of congress and the executive branch doesn't get to decide what oversight entails.

You might not like it, but this is how it works. Congress has the right to investigate the president’s businesses while he is in office. They have the right to have staff lawyers question the AG on his conclusions in the report. Congress created the justice department and AG’s office, so the AG can answer questions from the staff lawyers.

You yourself just defended the behavior with
First off, all congress does is play politics. That is literally the game of the game. One does not get elected to the House or Senate to not play politics.


That opinion is pretty final as an excuse, and I have no reason to go further unless you really don't believe it.

The House may subpoena Barr's testimony on his interviews with Mueller regarding obstruction and the summary. The current iteration was bad fan service. I am no longer surprised when people embrace the most transparent propaganda moves the Democrats pull. The appropriate followup is to request Trump's EPA head answer questions from high school climate activists.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-06 17:58:22
May 06 2019 17:55 GMT
#28591
On May 07 2019 02:46 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2019 02:29 Plansix wrote:
On May 07 2019 02:07 Danglars wrote:
The hearing was pure show. They crafted ground rules they knew he would not agree to in order to get him to decline. Come willingly, so our subordinates can grill you and create sound bites? At least if Hirono wants to smear instead of question, she has to put her own face behind it and not send some underling to undertake it.

Holder at least withheld documents to the point where even Democrats signed on to hold him in contempt. You don't give guns away that kill Americans and stonewall the investigation without consequences.

You don't stand up the House of Representatives and not provide them with the information they want without consequences. The Trump administration has said they are fighting every effort the House makes towards oversight, including requests to produce documents from his taxes and businesses. Oversight over the executive branch is a basic function of congress and the executive branch doesn't get to decide what oversight entails.

You might not like it, but this is how it works. Congress has the right to investigate the president’s businesses while he is in office. They have the right to have staff lawyers question the AG on his conclusions in the report. Congress created the justice department and AG’s office, so the AG can answer questions from the staff lawyers.

You yourself just defended the behavior with
Show nested quote +
First off, all congress does is play politics. That is literally the game of the game. One does not get elected to the House or Senate to not play politics.


That opinion is pretty final as an excuse, and I have no reason to go further unless you really don't believe it.

The House may subpoena Barr's testimony on his interviews with Mueller regarding obstruction and the summary. The current iteration was bad fan service. I am no longer surprised when people embrace the most transparent propaganda moves the Democrats pull. The appropriate followup is to request Trump's EPA head answer questions from high school climate activists.

You seem confused. When someone says “They are playing politics”, my response is always going to be “No shit. You can’t blame them for playing the game and having a plan.” Playing politics is a useless term that people throw around to attack the side they don’t like and act like a hearing is all for show or is theater. Of course it is, that is why it is open the public and press. It is theater as much as the House and Senate were designed to be the stage for political theater.

And again, if Barr can’t take the heat, he shouldn’t have taken the job. If he doesn’t want to be questions by staff attorneys, he should give the House want it wants. But that isn’t what he is doing. He is shilling for the Executive Branch and the House isn’t going to put up with that. The House doesn’t have to subpoena him so he can fight the battle in the Courts. They can cut right to the end and just hold him in contempt for obstructing their oversight. Why play his game when they can just skip right to the end? There is no reason, which is why they did it.

On May 07 2019 02:45 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
More than 370 former federal prosecutors have signed a statement saying they believe special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation would have resulted in obstruction of justice charges for Donald Trump if he wasn’t the president of the United States.



https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statement-by-former-federal-prosecutors-8ab7691c2aa1

What are we going with? Democrats paid them, deep state, they don't know shit, shills?

I mean clearly they can't hold a candle compared to our resident law experts, so where is that coming from?

Show nested quote +

We are former federal prosecutors. We served under both Republican and Democratic administrations at different levels of the federal system: as line attorneys, supervisors, special prosecutors, United States Attorneys, and senior officials at the Department of Justice.


Maybe we going with "smalltown nothings"?

Someone help me please.

Its clearly a plot to get Trump and they are all shills. Or they are attorneys with more trial experience than our AG and have a better understanding criminal law. I’m betting the second given how much Barr bounced around climbing that political ladder.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44440 Posts
May 06 2019 18:20 GMT
#28592
The Mueller report concluded that Trump attempted obstruction and was blocked by his underlings. That’s in the report. You can’t read the report and not conclude that Trump attempted obstruction.
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 06 2019 18:20 GMT
#28593
On May 07 2019 02:46 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2019 02:29 Plansix wrote:
On May 07 2019 02:07 Danglars wrote:
The hearing was pure show. They crafted ground rules they knew he would not agree to in order to get him to decline. Come willingly, so our subordinates can grill you and create sound bites? At least if Hirono wants to smear instead of question, she has to put her own face behind it and not send some underling to undertake it.

Holder at least withheld documents to the point where even Democrats signed on to hold him in contempt. You don't give guns away that kill Americans and stonewall the investigation without consequences.

You don't stand up the House of Representatives and not provide them with the information they want without consequences. The Trump administration has said they are fighting every effort the House makes towards oversight, including requests to produce documents from his taxes and businesses. Oversight over the executive branch is a basic function of congress and the executive branch doesn't get to decide what oversight entails.

You might not like it, but this is how it works. Congress has the right to investigate the president’s businesses while he is in office. They have the right to have staff lawyers question the AG on his conclusions in the report. Congress created the justice department and AG’s office, so the AG can answer questions from the staff lawyers.

You yourself just defended the behavior with
Show nested quote +
First off, all congress does is play politics. That is literally the game of the game. One does not get elected to the House or Senate to not play politics.


That opinion is pretty final as an excuse, and I have no reason to go further unless you really don't believe it.

The House may subpoena Barr's testimony on his interviews with Mueller regarding obstruction and the summary. The current iteration was bad fan service. I am no longer surprised when people embrace the most transparent propaganda moves the Democrats pull. The appropriate followup is to request Trump's EPA head answer questions from high school climate activists.

If you don't want your opponents playing politics, don't make it into a political game. Your rhetoric has grown pretty transparent. Crying "they're just playing politics" rings pretty hollow when Trump hired an AG with little integrity for the sole purpose of running point defense for him. You don't get to dish stuff out and complain when people shoot back.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-06 18:40:09
May 06 2019 18:39 GMT
#28594
On May 07 2019 03:20 KwarK wrote:
The Mueller report concluded that Trump attempted obstruction and was blocked by his underlings. That’s in the report. You can’t read the report and not conclude that Trump attempted obstruction.

Which is obstruction. To attempt obstruction is the same as to do it sucessfully.

The term barr throws around to get around that is "corrupt intent" in which is mostly basing it off that the president's feelings were hurt so he wasn't doing it to intentionally obstruct.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 06 2019 18:48 GMT
#28595
Aren't the same people that are saying trump definitely didn't do any obstruction no sirree the same people who still peddle the conspiracy theory that Bill Clinton bumping into a prosecutor and talking to him for a couple minutes in the middle of an airport surrounded by people was totally obstruction of justice and grounds for jail and lynching?
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 06 2019 18:53 GMT
#28596
The airport tarmac is where I hold all my secret obstruction of justice meetings. Public places with unlimited cameras and witnesses is the place to do crime.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 06 2019 19:37 GMT
#28597
On May 07 2019 03:20 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2019 02:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 07 2019 02:29 Plansix wrote:
On May 07 2019 02:07 Danglars wrote:
The hearing was pure show. They crafted ground rules they knew he would not agree to in order to get him to decline. Come willingly, so our subordinates can grill you and create sound bites? At least if Hirono wants to smear instead of question, she has to put her own face behind it and not send some underling to undertake it.

Holder at least withheld documents to the point where even Democrats signed on to hold him in contempt. You don't give guns away that kill Americans and stonewall the investigation without consequences.

You don't stand up the House of Representatives and not provide them with the information they want without consequences. The Trump administration has said they are fighting every effort the House makes towards oversight, including requests to produce documents from his taxes and businesses. Oversight over the executive branch is a basic function of congress and the executive branch doesn't get to decide what oversight entails.

You might not like it, but this is how it works. Congress has the right to investigate the president’s businesses while he is in office. They have the right to have staff lawyers question the AG on his conclusions in the report. Congress created the justice department and AG’s office, so the AG can answer questions from the staff lawyers.

You yourself just defended the behavior with
First off, all congress does is play politics. That is literally the game of the game. One does not get elected to the House or Senate to not play politics.


That opinion is pretty final as an excuse, and I have no reason to go further unless you really don't believe it.

The House may subpoena Barr's testimony on his interviews with Mueller regarding obstruction and the summary. The current iteration was bad fan service. I am no longer surprised when people embrace the most transparent propaganda moves the Democrats pull. The appropriate followup is to request Trump's EPA head answer questions from high school climate activists.

If you don't want your opponents playing politics, don't make it into a political game. Your rhetoric has grown pretty transparent. Crying "they're just playing politics" rings pretty hollow when Trump hired an AG with little integrity for the sole purpose of running point defense for him. You don't get to dish stuff out and complain when people shoot back.

In case you haven't heard, I think Barr is doing well as an AG and looks good to bring a measure of respect back into the Justice Department. I think the fools attacking him now are doing what they accused Trump of earlier: attacking the investigator because they fear what the investigation might find. It's all rather transparent for me too.

I do think the Democrats will pay for the show trials they're putting on at this point, but probably not in 2020. They haven't come into the full measure of their insanity.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
May 06 2019 19:50 GMT
#28598
On May 06 2019 19:22 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 12:51 Ben... wrote:
I would suggest waiting and seeing what Mueller has to say before we start making the assumption that Barr's depiction of their communications is accurate given that Barr has already been caught being at the very least quite misleading about the content of his communications with Mueller. To be frank, after the recent incident involving the Mueller letter that contradicted Barr's previous testimony, I don't trust Barr to give an accurate depiction of any non-recorded communications with Mueller. His unwillingness to even consider giving any of the staff notes regarding his phone conversation with Mueller to quell the well-earned skepticism people have towards him only reinforces this. Given his behaviour in the last couple months along with the similar patterns of behaviour shown in his handling of the Iran Contra investigation and handling of being questioned by Congress on kidnapping 30 years ago, he should be given no benefit of the doubt.

edit: Here's more on whole kidnapping thing and consequent "summary" thing that is basically identical to what he did with the Mueller Report: www.nytimes.com

In 1989, Barr, then assistant attorney general in charge of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, determined that the F.B.I could legally seize criminal suspects in foreign countries without consent from their governments. In doing so, Barr changed the department’s position — in a 1980 legal opinion, the government said that such kidnappings were unlawful.

It was a controversial opinion, especially given its key implication at the time — that the United States could abduct Gen. Manuel Noriega of Panama, who had seized power that spring. In response, Congress called Barr to testify. “Kidnapping a suspect would make the U.S. into an international outlaw,” Representative Don Edwards of California said during the hearing, as he outlined the consequences for America’s reputation if federal authorities had free rein to kidnap. Congress also asked Barr to release his memorandum to the public, but he refused. Instead, he wrote a 13-page summary that he claimed contained its “principal” arguments and conclusions, something that should sound familiar to contemporary observers.

Except it didn’t. In 1991, Congress obtained a copy of the full memo. It contained several points not present in the summary, including the contention that the president of the United States could ignore the United Nations’ prohibition of state-sponsored kidnapping.

Barr misled Congress and the public through omission. But by then he was already on his way to confirmation as attorney general under President George H.W. Bush, where he would recommend pardons for key figures in the Iran-contra scandal, which stymied a yearslong investigation into executive-branch lawbreaking that implicated the sitting president.

So the author of that op ed accuses Barr of submitting a summary of a memo to congress that does not include everything that the memo has. Why exactly is this a big deal? A summary of a larger document by definition is not going to have everything in it that the larger document does. So what did Barr leave out? Did he leave out anything material? Did he leave out something of the summary that caused it to misrepresent the contents of the memo by omission? Why doesn't the author of the op-ed elaborate on these points?

Color me unimpressed.

When asked how he justified his claims on the president's power to kidnap people from other countries without said country's consent, Barr refuses to release his memo that explains his justification for his claim so instead he releases a summary of his memo on the decision but just happens to leave out the key point where he justifies his claim by saying he thinks it's fine for the president to ignore international law, likely knowing that including the point would have got him laughed out of the hearing. Not including that point made it appear he had an actual legal justification, instead of showing the reality where he just basically went "I think the president doesn't need to follow international law". If you took even an eighth of the level of malice you assume is present in people like Hillary Clinton and applied it to Barr, maybe you could begin to understand why people do not trust him.

I find it funny that you expect others to have detailed, cited justifications for every point in anything they post in here while at the same time you make statements along the lines of "Any attempt to get Trump to testify would be a perjury trap" or repeatedly call Robert Mueller a political hack without any actual justification outside your own opinion. Mueller and his team had information that they likely could have leaked out and devastated the Trump administration with or gone after people in Trump's inner circle on weaker cases just to harm their credibility (Trump Jr's June 9th meeting comes to mind). Behaviour like that would demonstrate Mueller and his team were acting politically. But they didn't do anything like that. I would think if Mueller or his team were blatant political hacks, there would be ample evidence of it.
On May 07 2019 03:53 Plansix wrote:
The airport tarmac is where I hold all my secret obstruction of justice meetings. Public places with unlimited cameras and witnesses is the place to do crime.
That continues to be the funniest part of that entire conspiracy. Next time they should have it in a Starbucks so Jacob Wohl can claim he listened in on it.
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 06 2019 19:58 GMT
#28599
On May 07 2019 04:37 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2019 03:20 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 07 2019 02:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 07 2019 02:29 Plansix wrote:
On May 07 2019 02:07 Danglars wrote:
The hearing was pure show. They crafted ground rules they knew he would not agree to in order to get him to decline. Come willingly, so our subordinates can grill you and create sound bites? At least if Hirono wants to smear instead of question, she has to put her own face behind it and not send some underling to undertake it.

Holder at least withheld documents to the point where even Democrats signed on to hold him in contempt. You don't give guns away that kill Americans and stonewall the investigation without consequences.

You don't stand up the House of Representatives and not provide them with the information they want without consequences. The Trump administration has said they are fighting every effort the House makes towards oversight, including requests to produce documents from his taxes and businesses. Oversight over the executive branch is a basic function of congress and the executive branch doesn't get to decide what oversight entails.

You might not like it, but this is how it works. Congress has the right to investigate the president’s businesses while he is in office. They have the right to have staff lawyers question the AG on his conclusions in the report. Congress created the justice department and AG’s office, so the AG can answer questions from the staff lawyers.

You yourself just defended the behavior with
First off, all congress does is play politics. That is literally the game of the game. One does not get elected to the House or Senate to not play politics.


That opinion is pretty final as an excuse, and I have no reason to go further unless you really don't believe it.

The House may subpoena Barr's testimony on his interviews with Mueller regarding obstruction and the summary. The current iteration was bad fan service. I am no longer surprised when people embrace the most transparent propaganda moves the Democrats pull. The appropriate followup is to request Trump's EPA head answer questions from high school climate activists.

If you don't want your opponents playing politics, don't make it into a political game. Your rhetoric has grown pretty transparent. Crying "they're just playing politics" rings pretty hollow when Trump hired an AG with little integrity for the sole purpose of running point defense for him. You don't get to dish stuff out and complain when people shoot back.

In case you haven't heard, I think Barr is doing well as an AG and looks good to bring a measure of respect back into the Justice Department. I think the fools attacking him now are doing what they accused Trump of earlier: attacking the investigator because they fear what the investigation might find. It's all rather transparent for me too.

I do think the Democrats will pay for the show trials they're putting on at this point, but probably not in 2020. They haven't come into the full measure of their insanity.

You're free to think whatever you want. Just like you're free to think only Republicans are entitled to play the game they're playing.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 06 2019 20:05 GMT
#28600
On May 07 2019 04:58 NewSunshine wrote:
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On May 07 2019 04:37 Danglars wrote:
On May 07 2019 03:20 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 07 2019 02:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 07 2019 02:29 Plansix wrote:
On May 07 2019 02:07 Danglars wrote:
The hearing was pure show. They crafted ground rules they knew he would not agree to in order to get him to decline. Come willingly, so our subordinates can grill you and create sound bites? At least if Hirono wants to smear instead of question, she has to put her own face behind it and not send some underling to undertake it.

Holder at least withheld documents to the point where even Democrats signed on to hold him in contempt. You don't give guns away that kill Americans and stonewall the investigation without consequences.

You don't stand up the House of Representatives and not provide them with the information they want without consequences. The Trump administration has said they are fighting every effort the House makes towards oversight, including requests to produce documents from his taxes and businesses. Oversight over the executive branch is a basic function of congress and the executive branch doesn't get to decide what oversight entails.

You might not like it, but this is how it works. Congress has the right to investigate the president’s businesses while he is in office. They have the right to have staff lawyers question the AG on his conclusions in the report. Congress created the justice department and AG’s office, so the AG can answer questions from the staff lawyers.

You yourself just defended the behavior with
First off, all congress does is play politics. That is literally the game of the game. One does not get elected to the House or Senate to not play politics.


That opinion is pretty final as an excuse, and I have no reason to go further unless you really don't believe it.

The House may subpoena Barr's testimony on his interviews with Mueller regarding obstruction and the summary. The current iteration was bad fan service. I am no longer surprised when people embrace the most transparent propaganda moves the Democrats pull. The appropriate followup is to request Trump's EPA head answer questions from high school climate activists.

If you don't want your opponents playing politics, don't make it into a political game. Your rhetoric has grown pretty transparent. Crying "they're just playing politics" rings pretty hollow when Trump hired an AG with little integrity for the sole purpose of running point defense for him. You don't get to dish stuff out and complain when people shoot back.

In case you haven't heard, I think Barr is doing well as an AG and looks good to bring a measure of respect back into the Justice Department. I think the fools attacking him now are doing what they accused Trump of earlier: attacking the investigator because they fear what the investigation might find. It's all rather transparent for me too.

I do think the Democrats will pay for the show trials they're putting on at this point, but probably not in 2020. They haven't come into the full measure of their insanity.

You're free to think whatever you want. Just like you're free to think only Republicans are entitled to play the game they're playing.

You're free to change the subject, but I wasn't talking anything further than the nasty business of which the House is concerning itself at this moment. I've given what I think of it. You're entitled to continue to think I give the Republicans a pass and wherever that thinking takes you, but don't expect much company with snide comments to that end.
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