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KwarK
United States42256 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 07 2019 05:05 Danglars wrote: You're free to change the subject, but I wasn't talking anything further than the nasty business of which the House is concerning itself at this moment. I've given what I think of it. You're entitled to continue to think I give the Republicans a pass and wherever that thinking takes you, but don't expect much company with snide comments to that end. I'm not sure what else we're supposed to think. Your criticism of Republicans generally only extends to those who are out of office or not significant for some other reason, and only when pressed, and then there's arguments like "Barr is an excellent AG", when all he's done is cover Trump's ass by hiding the supposedly exonerating report from the public. Meanwhile, Democrats are demons for playing politics, which is something a Republican congressperson would never even dream of doing. What you don't say is as important as what you do say. | ||
Simberto
Germany11405 Posts
On May 07 2019 04:50 Ben... wrote: When asked how he justified his claims on the president's power to kidnap people from other countries without said country's consent, Barr refuses to release his memo that explains his justification for his claim so instead he releases a summary of his memo on the decision but just happens to leave out the key point where he justifies his claim by saying he thinks it's fine for the president to ignore international law, likely knowing that including the point would have got him laughed out of the hearing. Not including that point made it appear he had an actual legal justification, instead of showing the reality where he just basically went "I think the president doesn't need to follow international law". If you took even an eighth of the level of malice you assume is present in people like Hillary Clinton and applied it to Barr, maybe you could begin to understand why people do not trust him. Well, it is pretty established that the US position is that international law is mostly law that other nations must follow. Stuff like not joining the international criminal court at the Hague and never, ever cooperating with any other nations trial against US citizens, no matter the situation, makes this very clear. International law is something the US uses against weaker nations, but not something that a strong nation that the US would feel compelled to follow. As such, that analysis seems pretty on point. The main argument is probably along the lines of "What are they gonna do about it?". Factually, the US does not seem inclined to follow international law, and there is not really anyone that can force them to do so. Now, this is obviously incredibly unethical. But once again, no one can really do anything about this. So, in fact, the US president does not need to follow international law. He doesn't need to follow US law either, as long as his party sticks with him. He is truly above and beyond the law, as can easily be seen. | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21525 Posts
On May 07 2019 03:39 semantics wrote: It's also hard to prove the President didn't know what he was doing was wrong when he orders someone to tell that he didn't try to fire Mueller when he previously ordered that person to fire Mueller.Which is obstruction. To attempt obstruction is the same as to do it sucessfully. The term barr throws around to get around that is "corrupt intent" in which is mostly basing it off that the president's feelings were hurt so he wasn't doing it to intentionally obstruct. He know what he did was wrong and he tried to hide it. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On May 07 2019 06:52 Plansix wrote: My favorite candidate will be the one that knocks Biden out of the race, because my god we need to escape the 1990s Democrats. Next thing you know he will be apologizing for Bill Clinton. Bernie's the only one polling in delegate range with Biden in the race now, so that's most likely Bernie or no one. Granted Biden could take himself out of the race in seconds on the campaign trail (presuming Trump didn't break everyone's brain all the way). O'Rourke is the most similar both politically and superficially (like a younger Joe) and would probably be just as bad if not worse imo. | ||
HelpMeGetBetter
United States763 Posts
On May 07 2019 06:55 GreenHorizons wrote: Bernie's the only one polling in delegate range with Biden in the race now, so that's most likely Bernie or no one. Granted Biden could take himself out of the race in seconds on the campaign trail (presuming Trump didn't break everyone's brain all the way). O'Rourke is the most similar both politically and superficially (like a younger Joe) and would probably be just as bad if not worse imo. I don't understand why people talk like this. Are people expecting a perfect candidate to emerge? If it turns out to be Biden and Trump, are people really debating to go with 4 more years of Trump because of whatever problems they have with Biden/Sanders/Warren/etc etc..? I'd vote for a ham sandwich over Trump if thats what gets him out of office. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On May 07 2019 07:19 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: I don't understand why people talk like this. Are people expecting a perfect candidate to emerge? If it turns out to be Biden and Trump, are people really debating to go with 4 more years of Trump because of whatever problems they have with Biden/Sanders/Warren/etc etc..? I'd vote for a ham sandwich over Trump if thats what gets him out of office. Because, as I've tried to raise awareness of, we're at a fork in the road and both Biden and Trump lead down the path of human extinction. At minimum massive climate catastrophe that will kill countless millions and displace even more. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On May 07 2019 07:22 GreenHorizons wrote: Because, as I've tried to raise awareness of, we're at a fork in the road and both Biden and Trump lead down the path of human extinction. At minimum massive climate catastrophe that will kill countless millions and displace even more. And how is bernie different? He still has the same issues as before of being clueless as to what a president can and cant do, not having any real plan for anything, having a history of refusing to work with anyone and being unable to get anything done. If any anything him being a populist from the left makes him closer to trump than Biden is. I highly doubt bernie can lead us down the right path since if he is president I doubt he can get anything done even with a Democrat majority house and Senate, much like thankfully Capt small hands couldn't get too much done | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The Oval Office matters. But long get change will only come with sustained control of the branch of government that writes laws. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15471 Posts
On May 07 2019 06:52 Plansix wrote: My favorite candidate will be the one that knocks Biden out of the race, because my god we need to escape the 1990s Democrats. Next thing you know he will be apologizing for Bill Clinton. Jeb looked favored at one point too. Biden has no charisma. His numbers will drop like a brick after the first debate. | ||
iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On May 07 2019 05:05 KwarK wrote: Barr literally sent his AG job application to Trump’s defence lawyers with a note on it saying that if he got the AG position he’d clear Trump. The corruption at this point beggars belief. Unless Democrats are doing it, it's not corruption. That's the operating principle. | ||
semantics
10040 Posts
On May 07 2019 09:47 Mohdoo wrote: Jeb looked favored at one point too. Biden has no charisma. His numbers will drop like a brick after the first debate. That's how I feel as well Biden doesn't stand for anything new, for the most part hes forgettable and hes at heart a centrist. That worked for Democrats 20 years ago but it hasn't worked much since. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On May 07 2019 09:59 Plansix wrote: I think this gets to the heart of why you see so many people seem upset with a lot of the recent statements and actions by Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, et al. They continue to look increasingly out of touch with many Democrat voters. It looked like for a couple months there that Pelosi was actually going to put up a decent fight against the Trump administration, but it already seems like she's started to back down and is trying to compromise with people who have made it abundantly clear that they will never make a good-faith compromise. Between Pelosi and Schumer's inaction and the DCCC's seeming willingness to go after anyone who tries to primary an incumbent (while ignoring that several of the most popular Democrats are people who toppled centrist establishment Dems), it seems like they are all working in tandem to throw the next election.It worked once in the 1990s and then they lost the House for 10 years and then eight years. The democrats have only really had power for about 4 of the last 20 years. I think it's telling that when asked about Biden, a lot of people respond with indifference or something along the lines of "I'll vote for him because I want Trump to lose". It's like they've forgot why Obama was so popular back in 2008. They need a message, and one that's better than "Trump is a bad guy so vote for me". | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On May 07 2019 09:47 Mohdoo wrote: Jeb looked favored at one point too. Biden has no charisma. His numbers will drop like a brick after the first debate. I don't think it's even going to take a debate, from what I gather these recent polls showing biden surging (beyond what's typical for an announcement) we're really polling people over 50 which is about the split we'd expect and Biden's had for months. Good chance his polling of people under 50 is already plummeting, particularly when one considers he's been pretty universally shitcanned here. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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