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On April 17 2019 09:34 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 08:57 Introvert wrote:A great deal of the chinese fentynal is mailed . And cartels remain a gigantic part of the problem. WASHINGTON – DEA Acting Administrator Uttam Dhillon today announced results of the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment, which outlines the threats posed to the United States by domestic and international drug trafficking and the abuse of illicit drugs.
“This report underscores the scope and magnitude of the ongoing opioid crisis in the United States,” said Acting Administrator Dhillon. “The information in the report represents data and critical intelligence from our law enforcement partners that was gathered over the past year. This report highlights the necessity of using all the tools at our disposal to fight this epidemic, and we must remain steadfast in our mission to combat all dangerous drugs of abuse.”
Among the key 2018 NDTA findings:
Controlled prescription drugs remain responsible for the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class since 2001. These drugs are the second most commonly abused substance. Traffickers are now disguising other opioids as controlled prescription drugs to gain access to this market. (pages 1-10)
Heroin-related drug-poisoning deaths almost doubled between 2013 and 2016. This has been exacerbated by the increased adulteration of heroin with fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. Heroin available in U.S. markets is primarily sourced from Mexico, where opium poppy cultivation and heroin production have both increased significantly in recent years. (pages 11-20)
Of all opioids, the abuse of illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids has led to the greatest number of deaths in the United States. Fentanyl is increasingly available in the form of counterfeit prescription pills marketed for illicit street sales, and also sold by traffickers on its own, without the presence of other drugs. (pages 21-37)
Mexican transnational criminal organizations, including the Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco New Generation Cartel, remain the greatest criminal drug threat in the United States. The cartels are the principal wholesale drug sources for domestic gangs responsible for street-level distribution. (pages 97-99)
National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Drug trafficking remains the major income source for gangs. (pages 107-121) Even if you think less is coming over the border (number are fuzzy because what you don't catch you can't measure), cartel members are still a massive problem as in-country distributors. Sure, it’s just the idea that illegal immigrants are used to carry the product that doesn’t make sense to me. Illegal immigrants are comparatively hard to smuggle. They’re sensitive to temperature, are unsuited to storage, need food and water, produce waste, and don’t do well when vacuum packed. The margin per kg of human is also way lower than on other illicit cargo. By having an illegal immigrant hold your illegal drugs you’re driving up the difficulty. You add all the problems of moving humans because the combined package of human + drugs forces you to move it in a way that protects the most fragile element, the human. If I wanted to move hard drugs I’d do it the way it was done in Breaking Bad, integrate them into the supply chain of a crossborder business, hidden as a tiny proportion of the otherwise legitimate cargo.
It seems decent leverage to have over another human being, although I don’t really see the benefit to doing so with average illegal immigrant, ideally who you want as far away from you as possible once you’ve got them over a border or whatever.
With people you bring over for sex trafficking, different as you want them to either be subject to huge personal risk to prevent them turning, or get them hooked on drugs as a control mechanism.
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On April 17 2019 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 08:54 Kyadytim wrote:Trump is attempting to de-facto appropriate the constitutional power to declare war or something approximately equal to that. The constitution is extremely clear that deciding when the US is involved in a war is up to Congress. It’s the second veto of President Trump’s administration. The resolution, which passed the House earlier this month and the Senate last month, would have ended U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.
“This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” Trump said in a statement. www.washingtonpost.com *Sighs* I can’t really think of a level that this doesn’t annoy me on. I mean I never trusted Trump on anything the man said, the one thing I did like at least about his campaign rhetoric was stuff like not bending over for the Saudis
Felt like that one went out the window when they chopped a journalist living in the US into pieces(with a recording) and Trump was like"well he said he had nothing to do with it sooo...*shrug*" and we kept selling them bombs to drop on kids and such.
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On April 17 2019 08:44 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 08:32 ShambhalaWar wrote:On April 17 2019 07:38 Danglars wrote:On April 17 2019 04:29 Sadist wrote:On April 17 2019 04:24 Danglars wrote:On April 17 2019 04:19 Sadist wrote:
The whole point of Medicare for all is to implement cost controls over the Medical industry. Theres no way to do it in the private sector because your health/life isnt bound by supply/demand when the alternative can be death. If you are having a heart attack and are on the operating table youd pay anything to have your life saved and sort out the cost later. That doesnt sound like something that can be driven by the market.
Two things
1)The idea that doctors will opt out of Medicare 4 all and only take patients with private insurance that pay more is ridiculous. They will have no patients to take in if everyone is covered by Medicare and go out of business if they operated that way. Not to mention theres plenty of hospitals and doctors offices today that cater almost exclusively to Medicare patients and they still make boatloads of money. Its not as if Medicare doesnt pay fair prices or even inflated prices to Doctors already.
2)This idea that care will be rationed is ridiculous. We already pay for the most expensive group of people to take care of (the elderly). Care is now rationed by your ability to afford treatment or your insurance company. To pretend as if rationing would be a new thing with Medicare for all is dishonest at best.
Lastly, this idea that Medicare for all will lead to increased wait times is morally bankrupt. If that did happen it means we need to fix the problem (whatever is causing the delay, not enough doctors, beurocracy, etc). Also, if the only reason this is happening not happening now is because theres a ton of people who cannot afford care that is morally reprehensible. It would effectively mean we are allowing those who dont have the means to seek care to be skipped in line by those who do.
I thought the point of Medicare for all was free health insurance coverage for everyone, subsidized by tax revenue? That is the desired effect yes but as a country it will allow us to stop Medical Care from eating up an increasingly larger chunk of the countries money. Also it isnt insurance but care. Theres a distinction. That depends on who you talk to. Medicare is an insurance program restricted to the elderly, and some plans I’ve seen discussed simply expand eligibility. I don’t think positing a distinction and leaving it at that is useful at al. Insurance only provides care after you reach your deductible, which if you are poor and you have to buy a bad plan is really high. Care means if you get sick you can go to the doctor no matter what and pay a 1$ co pay. Care means that you actually get care for what money you put into the system vs. Insurance or only getting care if you're practically dead. I don’t see any purpose to posting this. High deductible health insurance has existed for ages to bring down the premium you pay. That’s a trade off, not a separation between something called care and something called insurance. The size of your deductible and cost of your premium are not useful metrics to set any kind of dividing line between care and insurance. Nothing in your post references Medicare, nor varying implementations dubbed Medicare for all, nor any authority. I only know how you prefer to use the terms, as fuzzy of a distinction as it ends up being.
It was in regard to a previous point quoted, insurance vs. care.
In America, just because you pay a monthly premium for "insurance" doesn't mean you can receive "care."
You only get to receive medical care from your insurance if you severely injury yourself or are severely injured by another.
For example if I get sick and have a fever, but all I can afford is my insurance premium, then I'm screwed, I don't get care. I don't get to see a doctor and find out if the illness I have is serious or just a common flu (because I haven't reach my deductible, and I can't afford to pay past my premium).
In a medicaid program you can simply go to the doctor if you are sick, there is no extra cost (maybe a 1$ co pay).
What's the point of bringing down a premium, if you get nothing for it?
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On April 17 2019 09:25 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 08:11 IgnE wrote:www.princetonpolicy.comIn 2010, then Arizona Governor Jan Brewer took some heat for saying that a majority of illegals were drug mules.
In fact, the numbers bear her out. We can impute the number of drug carriers through the volumes of drugs seized by Border Patrol and estimated seizure rates; as well as the number of illegal border crossers arrested and assumed apprehension rates. In 2010, for example, Border Patrol arrested 450,000 crossers representing 1.1 million crossing attempts for the year.
In addition, Border Patrol seized 3.4 million lbs of drugs, virtually all marijuana. We estimate interdiction rates at 14% (12-15% range), implying smugglers tried to bring in an astounding 23 - 29 million pounds of drugs over the border away from official points of entry in 2010
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Jim runs a 55,000 acre ranch of which 15 miles constitutes the border with Mexico. Most of the crossers coming over his property appear to be carrying backpacks presumed to be filled with drugs. If so, seizure rates may be substantially lower than believed in our analysis (and smuggling rates correspondingly higher).
I would also add that drug mules are a combination of professionals -- who will make return trips -- and economic migrants, who carry drugs opportunistically one-time to pay their coyote fees. By definition, the share of economic migrants carrying drugs will be lower than the total percentage of smugglers in all crossers. Notwithstanding, our current estimates still suggest that more than half of economic migrants carried drugs in 2010, falling to about 10% in 2018. Y’all muckity mucks yucking it up about illegal immigrants carrying drugs could have spent some time looking into it. It does appear to be marijuana though ... and it appears to have fallen since 2010. But the idea in itself is not as crazy as some (Kwark) pretend that it is That second to last paragraph in the quote is a masterpiece. Jimbo sees people with backpacks from his ranch and naturally they must be filled with drugs because who needs to bring any other possessions when moving to a different country. Anyway, there's a major flaw in their vague methodology. The numbers they used for their estimate are the weight of drugs seized by Border Patrol and the number of illegal border crossers caught by Border Patrol. The biggest hauls in seized drugs are from vehicles that try to pass through customs. I do not believe for a second that 1500 tons of marijuana were seized in 2010 from the backpacks and plastic bags of people skirting customs.
I'm always doubtful when research does not link the raw data that was used. CBP & OIG reports on CBP have in the past separated out drugs seized at points of entry and drugs seized between points of entry. It's computable. The 3.4 million is too close to total drugs seized for FY 2010 to be a reasonable starting point for illegals used as mules.
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On April 17 2019 09:34 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 08:57 Introvert wrote:A great deal of the chinese fentynal is mailed . And cartels remain a gigantic part of the problem. WASHINGTON – DEA Acting Administrator Uttam Dhillon today announced results of the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment, which outlines the threats posed to the United States by domestic and international drug trafficking and the abuse of illicit drugs.
“This report underscores the scope and magnitude of the ongoing opioid crisis in the United States,” said Acting Administrator Dhillon. “The information in the report represents data and critical intelligence from our law enforcement partners that was gathered over the past year. This report highlights the necessity of using all the tools at our disposal to fight this epidemic, and we must remain steadfast in our mission to combat all dangerous drugs of abuse.”
Among the key 2018 NDTA findings:
Controlled prescription drugs remain responsible for the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class since 2001. These drugs are the second most commonly abused substance. Traffickers are now disguising other opioids as controlled prescription drugs to gain access to this market. (pages 1-10)
Heroin-related drug-poisoning deaths almost doubled between 2013 and 2016. This has been exacerbated by the increased adulteration of heroin with fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. Heroin available in U.S. markets is primarily sourced from Mexico, where opium poppy cultivation and heroin production have both increased significantly in recent years. (pages 11-20)
Of all opioids, the abuse of illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids has led to the greatest number of deaths in the United States. Fentanyl is increasingly available in the form of counterfeit prescription pills marketed for illicit street sales, and also sold by traffickers on its own, without the presence of other drugs. (pages 21-37)
Mexican transnational criminal organizations, including the Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco New Generation Cartel, remain the greatest criminal drug threat in the United States. The cartels are the principal wholesale drug sources for domestic gangs responsible for street-level distribution. (pages 97-99)
National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Drug trafficking remains the major income source for gangs. (pages 107-121) Even if you think less is coming over the border (number are fuzzy because what you don't catch you can't measure), cartel members are still a massive problem as in-country distributors. Sure, it’s just the idea that illegal immigrants are used to carry the product that doesn’t make sense to me. Illegal immigrants are comparatively hard to smuggle. They’re sensitive to temperature, are unsuited to storage, need food and water, produce waste, and don’t do well when vacuum packed. The margin per kg of human is also way lower than on other illicit cargo. By having an illegal immigrant hold your illegal drugs you’re driving up the difficulty. You add all the problems of moving humans because the combined package of human + drugs forces you to move it in a way that protects the most fragile element, the human. If I wanted to move hard drugs I’d do it the way it was done in Breaking Bad, integrate them into the supply chain of a crossborder business, hidden as a tiny proportion of the otherwise legitimate cargo. Vacuum sealed bags at the bottom of a barrel of chicken carcasses on a truck that regularly crosses the border with no illicit cargo.
No, this is definitely a thing that happened. That's what the term "drug mule" means in the context of this debate, and has for a very long time. Especially without a secure border. Also, this is another reason they'd run distractions. You send a small group to occupy the attention of the BP while the main haul goes through the hole that's left. Tried and true tactic, decades old.
It's logical that it happens less now (but it still does, I posted something about that a while back), because most people are smuggled to the border (so they are found by the BP) vs. the previous decade where they were smuggled across it (to avoid capture). So it was a two-for-one. Smuggling both people and drugs are services for which they charge well. Why not cut costs by having the human part carry the drug part? And if the mule gets caught, well that's too bad for him. It was a risk they knew they were taking.
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On April 17 2019 09:46 ShambhalaWar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 08:44 Danglars wrote:On April 17 2019 08:32 ShambhalaWar wrote:On April 17 2019 07:38 Danglars wrote:On April 17 2019 04:29 Sadist wrote:On April 17 2019 04:24 Danglars wrote:On April 17 2019 04:19 Sadist wrote:
The whole point of Medicare for all is to implement cost controls over the Medical industry. Theres no way to do it in the private sector because your health/life isnt bound by supply/demand when the alternative can be death. If you are having a heart attack and are on the operating table youd pay anything to have your life saved and sort out the cost later. That doesnt sound like something that can be driven by the market.
Two things
1)The idea that doctors will opt out of Medicare 4 all and only take patients with private insurance that pay more is ridiculous. They will have no patients to take in if everyone is covered by Medicare and go out of business if they operated that way. Not to mention theres plenty of hospitals and doctors offices today that cater almost exclusively to Medicare patients and they still make boatloads of money. Its not as if Medicare doesnt pay fair prices or even inflated prices to Doctors already.
2)This idea that care will be rationed is ridiculous. We already pay for the most expensive group of people to take care of (the elderly). Care is now rationed by your ability to afford treatment or your insurance company. To pretend as if rationing would be a new thing with Medicare for all is dishonest at best.
Lastly, this idea that Medicare for all will lead to increased wait times is morally bankrupt. If that did happen it means we need to fix the problem (whatever is causing the delay, not enough doctors, beurocracy, etc). Also, if the only reason this is happening not happening now is because theres a ton of people who cannot afford care that is morally reprehensible. It would effectively mean we are allowing those who dont have the means to seek care to be skipped in line by those who do.
I thought the point of Medicare for all was free health insurance coverage for everyone, subsidized by tax revenue? That is the desired effect yes but as a country it will allow us to stop Medical Care from eating up an increasingly larger chunk of the countries money. Also it isnt insurance but care. Theres a distinction. That depends on who you talk to. Medicare is an insurance program restricted to the elderly, and some plans I’ve seen discussed simply expand eligibility. I don’t think positing a distinction and leaving it at that is useful at al. Insurance only provides care after you reach your deductible, which if you are poor and you have to buy a bad plan is really high. Care means if you get sick you can go to the doctor no matter what and pay a 1$ co pay. Care means that you actually get care for what money you put into the system vs. Insurance or only getting care if you're practically dead. I don’t see any purpose to posting this. High deductible health insurance has existed for ages to bring down the premium you pay. That’s a trade off, not a separation between something called care and something called insurance. The size of your deductible and cost of your premium are not useful metrics to set any kind of dividing line between care and insurance. Nothing in your post references Medicare, nor varying implementations dubbed Medicare for all, nor any authority. I only know how you prefer to use the terms, as fuzzy of a distinction as it ends up being. It was in regard to a previous point quoted, insurance vs. care. In America, just because you pay a monthly premium for "insurance" doesn't mean you can receive "care." You only get to receive medical care from your insurance if you severely injury yourself or are severely injured by another. For example if I get sick and have a fever, but all I can afford is my insurance premium, then I'm screwed, I don't get care. I don't get to see a doctor and find out if the illness I have is serious or just a common flu (because I haven't reach my deductible, and I can't afford to pay past my premium). In a medicaid program you can simply go to the doctor if you are sick, there is no extra cost (maybe a 1$ co pay). What's the point of bringing down a premium, if you get nothing for it?
I can tell you do separate out insurance and care by other means. Particularly, you can cite that somebody possesses insurance, but receiving treatment is limited by his ability to pay the deductible.
If you'll look back, I didn't make some broader point about the difference. I cited Sadist's attempt to make distinction within Medicare for All/Medicare. You never made reference back to the "previous point." I'm already aware that deductibles can be too high for people to consider buying health insurance.
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Northern Ireland24446 Posts
On April 17 2019 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 08:54 Kyadytim wrote:Trump is attempting to de-facto appropriate the constitutional power to declare war or something approximately equal to that. The constitution is extremely clear that deciding when the US is involved in a war is up to Congress. It’s the second veto of President Trump’s administration. The resolution, which passed the House earlier this month and the Senate last month, would have ended U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.
“This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” Trump said in a statement. www.washingtonpost.com *Sighs* I can’t really think of a level that this doesn’t annoy me on. I mean I never trusted Trump on anything the man said, the one thing I did like at least about his campaign rhetoric was stuff like not bending over for the Saudis Felt like that one went out the window when they chopped a journalist living in the US into pieces(with a recording) and Trump was like"well he said he had nothing to do with it sooo...*shrug*" and we kept selling them bombs to drop on kids and such.
It went out of the window long, long before that for me, that was more my ‘oh he’s doing the 180 degree opposite thing even rhetorically too, again’ moment on that one.
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On April 17 2019 09:51 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 09:34 KwarK wrote:On April 17 2019 08:57 Introvert wrote:A great deal of the chinese fentynal is mailed . And cartels remain a gigantic part of the problem. WASHINGTON – DEA Acting Administrator Uttam Dhillon today announced results of the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment, which outlines the threats posed to the United States by domestic and international drug trafficking and the abuse of illicit drugs.
“This report underscores the scope and magnitude of the ongoing opioid crisis in the United States,” said Acting Administrator Dhillon. “The information in the report represents data and critical intelligence from our law enforcement partners that was gathered over the past year. This report highlights the necessity of using all the tools at our disposal to fight this epidemic, and we must remain steadfast in our mission to combat all dangerous drugs of abuse.”
Among the key 2018 NDTA findings:
Controlled prescription drugs remain responsible for the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class since 2001. These drugs are the second most commonly abused substance. Traffickers are now disguising other opioids as controlled prescription drugs to gain access to this market. (pages 1-10)
Heroin-related drug-poisoning deaths almost doubled between 2013 and 2016. This has been exacerbated by the increased adulteration of heroin with fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. Heroin available in U.S. markets is primarily sourced from Mexico, where opium poppy cultivation and heroin production have both increased significantly in recent years. (pages 11-20)
Of all opioids, the abuse of illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids has led to the greatest number of deaths in the United States. Fentanyl is increasingly available in the form of counterfeit prescription pills marketed for illicit street sales, and also sold by traffickers on its own, without the presence of other drugs. (pages 21-37)
Mexican transnational criminal organizations, including the Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco New Generation Cartel, remain the greatest criminal drug threat in the United States. The cartels are the principal wholesale drug sources for domestic gangs responsible for street-level distribution. (pages 97-99)
National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Drug trafficking remains the major income source for gangs. (pages 107-121) Even if you think less is coming over the border (number are fuzzy because what you don't catch you can't measure), cartel members are still a massive problem as in-country distributors. Sure, it’s just the idea that illegal immigrants are used to carry the product that doesn’t make sense to me. Illegal immigrants are comparatively hard to smuggle. They’re sensitive to temperature, are unsuited to storage, need food and water, produce waste, and don’t do well when vacuum packed. The margin per kg of human is also way lower than on other illicit cargo. By having an illegal immigrant hold your illegal drugs you’re driving up the difficulty. You add all the problems of moving humans because the combined package of human + drugs forces you to move it in a way that protects the most fragile element, the human. If I wanted to move hard drugs I’d do it the way it was done in Breaking Bad, integrate them into the supply chain of a crossborder business, hidden as a tiny proportion of the otherwise legitimate cargo. Vacuum sealed bags at the bottom of a barrel of chicken carcasses on a truck that regularly crosses the border with no illicit cargo. No, this is definitely a thing that happened. That's what the term "drug mule" means in the context of this debate, and has for a very long time. Especially without a secure border. Also, this is another reason they'd run distractions. You send a small group to occupy the attention of the BP while the main haul goes through the hole that's left. Tried and true tactic, decades old. It's logical that it happens less now, because most people are smuggled to the border (so they are found by the BP) vs. the previous decade where they were smuggled across it (to avoid capture). So it was a two-for-one. Smuggling both people and drugs are services for which they charge well. Why not cut costs by having the human part carry the drug part?
I think the main issue causing the crossed signals is that cartels move drugs by the ton, gangs move them by the "backpack" There are a lot of medium/smaller gangs that move a lot of drugs by way of "drug mule" the cartels have been using vehicles as their primary transport for decades.
The cartels are businesses and run like businesses (with more overt violence). Gangs are like labor ready for the cartels. As such they don't have access to package trucks with hidden compartments or go fast boats so they use the tools available. This is most frequently people desperate to gtfo of wherever they are and or people who already owe the local gang money.
On April 17 2019 09:59 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 08:54 Kyadytim wrote:Trump is attempting to de-facto appropriate the constitutional power to declare war or something approximately equal to that. The constitution is extremely clear that deciding when the US is involved in a war is up to Congress. It’s the second veto of President Trump’s administration. The resolution, which passed the House earlier this month and the Senate last month, would have ended U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.
“This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” Trump said in a statement. www.washingtonpost.com *Sighs* I can’t really think of a level that this doesn’t annoy me on. I mean I never trusted Trump on anything the man said, the one thing I did like at least about his campaign rhetoric was stuff like not bending over for the Saudis Felt like that one went out the window when they chopped a journalist living in the US into pieces(with a recording) and Trump was like"well he said he had nothing to do with it sooo...*shrug*" and we kept selling them bombs to drop on kids and such. It went out of the window long, long before that for me, that was more my ‘oh he’s doing the 180 degree opposite thing even rhetorically too, again’ moment on that one.
Yeah I forgot about the whole globe groping thing too.
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On April 17 2019 10:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 09:51 Introvert wrote:On April 17 2019 09:34 KwarK wrote:On April 17 2019 08:57 Introvert wrote:A great deal of the chinese fentynal is mailed . And cartels remain a gigantic part of the problem. WASHINGTON – DEA Acting Administrator Uttam Dhillon today announced results of the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment, which outlines the threats posed to the United States by domestic and international drug trafficking and the abuse of illicit drugs.
“This report underscores the scope and magnitude of the ongoing opioid crisis in the United States,” said Acting Administrator Dhillon. “The information in the report represents data and critical intelligence from our law enforcement partners that was gathered over the past year. This report highlights the necessity of using all the tools at our disposal to fight this epidemic, and we must remain steadfast in our mission to combat all dangerous drugs of abuse.”
Among the key 2018 NDTA findings:
Controlled prescription drugs remain responsible for the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class since 2001. These drugs are the second most commonly abused substance. Traffickers are now disguising other opioids as controlled prescription drugs to gain access to this market. (pages 1-10)
Heroin-related drug-poisoning deaths almost doubled between 2013 and 2016. This has been exacerbated by the increased adulteration of heroin with fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. Heroin available in U.S. markets is primarily sourced from Mexico, where opium poppy cultivation and heroin production have both increased significantly in recent years. (pages 11-20)
Of all opioids, the abuse of illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids has led to the greatest number of deaths in the United States. Fentanyl is increasingly available in the form of counterfeit prescription pills marketed for illicit street sales, and also sold by traffickers on its own, without the presence of other drugs. (pages 21-37)
Mexican transnational criminal organizations, including the Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco New Generation Cartel, remain the greatest criminal drug threat in the United States. The cartels are the principal wholesale drug sources for domestic gangs responsible for street-level distribution. (pages 97-99)
National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Drug trafficking remains the major income source for gangs. (pages 107-121) Even if you think less is coming over the border (number are fuzzy because what you don't catch you can't measure), cartel members are still a massive problem as in-country distributors. Sure, it’s just the idea that illegal immigrants are used to carry the product that doesn’t make sense to me. Illegal immigrants are comparatively hard to smuggle. They’re sensitive to temperature, are unsuited to storage, need food and water, produce waste, and don’t do well when vacuum packed. The margin per kg of human is also way lower than on other illicit cargo. By having an illegal immigrant hold your illegal drugs you’re driving up the difficulty. You add all the problems of moving humans because the combined package of human + drugs forces you to move it in a way that protects the most fragile element, the human. If I wanted to move hard drugs I’d do it the way it was done in Breaking Bad, integrate them into the supply chain of a crossborder business, hidden as a tiny proportion of the otherwise legitimate cargo. Vacuum sealed bags at the bottom of a barrel of chicken carcasses on a truck that regularly crosses the border with no illicit cargo. No, this is definitely a thing that happened. That's what the term "drug mule" means in the context of this debate, and has for a very long time. Especially without a secure border. Also, this is another reason they'd run distractions. You send a small group to occupy the attention of the BP while the main haul goes through the hole that's left. Tried and true tactic, decades old. It's logical that it happens less now, because most people are smuggled to the border (so they are found by the BP) vs. the previous decade where they were smuggled across it (to avoid capture). So it was a two-for-one. Smuggling both people and drugs are services for which they charge well. Why not cut costs by having the human part carry the drug part? I think the main issue causing the crossed signals is that cartels move drugs by the ton, gangs move them by the "backpack" There are a lot of medium/smaller gangs that move a lot of drugs by way of "drug mule" the cartels have been using vehicles as their primary transport for decades. The cartels are businesses and run like businesses (with more overt violence). Gangs are like labor ready for the cartels. As such they don't have access to package trucks with hidden compartments or go fast boats so they use the tools available. This is most frequently people desperate to gtfo of wherever they are and or people who already owe the local gang money. Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 09:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 08:54 Kyadytim wrote:Trump is attempting to de-facto appropriate the constitutional power to declare war or something approximately equal to that. The constitution is extremely clear that deciding when the US is involved in a war is up to Congress. It’s the second veto of President Trump’s administration. The resolution, which passed the House earlier this month and the Senate last month, would have ended U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.
“This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” Trump said in a statement. www.washingtonpost.com *Sighs* I can’t really think of a level that this doesn’t annoy me on. I mean I never trusted Trump on anything the man said, the one thing I did like at least about his campaign rhetoric was stuff like not bending over for the Saudis Felt like that one went out the window when they chopped a journalist living in the US into pieces(with a recording) and Trump was like"well he said he had nothing to do with it sooo...*shrug*" and we kept selling them bombs to drop on kids and such. It went out of the window long, long before that for me, that was more my ‘oh he’s doing the 180 degree opposite thing even rhetorically too, again’ moment on that one. Yeah I forgot about the whole globe groping thing too.
The prison in which I work houses U.S. Marshall's inmates and ICE. The story I have gotten through translation is that people are told they will be bused to the border and will be met on the American side after a grueling trek by someone who will take them to a safe house, many of which exist here in Phoenix AZ. Since a lot of these people are poor, the deal is that they will take a backpack or duffel bag with them, no questions asked. They are told that some of them will be caught and a few may die, but many people are willing to take that risk. The gangs that have a large representation in the facility where I am are usually the Nortenos, the Surenos, and MS13. The number of people who are convinced to take this kind of risk on behalf of the gangs for a better life in America shocks me continuously. Doesn't really add much to the discussion per se, but I figured I could add a little to this post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norteños
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sureños
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On April 17 2019 11:16 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 10:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:51 Introvert wrote:On April 17 2019 09:34 KwarK wrote:On April 17 2019 08:57 Introvert wrote:A great deal of the chinese fentynal is mailed . And cartels remain a gigantic part of the problem. WASHINGTON – DEA Acting Administrator Uttam Dhillon today announced results of the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment, which outlines the threats posed to the United States by domestic and international drug trafficking and the abuse of illicit drugs.
“This report underscores the scope and magnitude of the ongoing opioid crisis in the United States,” said Acting Administrator Dhillon. “The information in the report represents data and critical intelligence from our law enforcement partners that was gathered over the past year. This report highlights the necessity of using all the tools at our disposal to fight this epidemic, and we must remain steadfast in our mission to combat all dangerous drugs of abuse.”
Among the key 2018 NDTA findings:
Controlled prescription drugs remain responsible for the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class since 2001. These drugs are the second most commonly abused substance. Traffickers are now disguising other opioids as controlled prescription drugs to gain access to this market. (pages 1-10)
Heroin-related drug-poisoning deaths almost doubled between 2013 and 2016. This has been exacerbated by the increased adulteration of heroin with fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. Heroin available in U.S. markets is primarily sourced from Mexico, where opium poppy cultivation and heroin production have both increased significantly in recent years. (pages 11-20)
Of all opioids, the abuse of illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids has led to the greatest number of deaths in the United States. Fentanyl is increasingly available in the form of counterfeit prescription pills marketed for illicit street sales, and also sold by traffickers on its own, without the presence of other drugs. (pages 21-37)
Mexican transnational criminal organizations, including the Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco New Generation Cartel, remain the greatest criminal drug threat in the United States. The cartels are the principal wholesale drug sources for domestic gangs responsible for street-level distribution. (pages 97-99)
National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Drug trafficking remains the major income source for gangs. (pages 107-121) Even if you think less is coming over the border (number are fuzzy because what you don't catch you can't measure), cartel members are still a massive problem as in-country distributors. Sure, it’s just the idea that illegal immigrants are used to carry the product that doesn’t make sense to me. Illegal immigrants are comparatively hard to smuggle. They’re sensitive to temperature, are unsuited to storage, need food and water, produce waste, and don’t do well when vacuum packed. The margin per kg of human is also way lower than on other illicit cargo. By having an illegal immigrant hold your illegal drugs you’re driving up the difficulty. You add all the problems of moving humans because the combined package of human + drugs forces you to move it in a way that protects the most fragile element, the human. If I wanted to move hard drugs I’d do it the way it was done in Breaking Bad, integrate them into the supply chain of a crossborder business, hidden as a tiny proportion of the otherwise legitimate cargo. Vacuum sealed bags at the bottom of a barrel of chicken carcasses on a truck that regularly crosses the border with no illicit cargo. No, this is definitely a thing that happened. That's what the term "drug mule" means in the context of this debate, and has for a very long time. Especially without a secure border. Also, this is another reason they'd run distractions. You send a small group to occupy the attention of the BP while the main haul goes through the hole that's left. Tried and true tactic, decades old. It's logical that it happens less now, because most people are smuggled to the border (so they are found by the BP) vs. the previous decade where they were smuggled across it (to avoid capture). So it was a two-for-one. Smuggling both people and drugs are services for which they charge well. Why not cut costs by having the human part carry the drug part? I think the main issue causing the crossed signals is that cartels move drugs by the ton, gangs move them by the "backpack" There are a lot of medium/smaller gangs that move a lot of drugs by way of "drug mule" the cartels have been using vehicles as their primary transport for decades. The cartels are businesses and run like businesses (with more overt violence). Gangs are like labor ready for the cartels. As such they don't have access to package trucks with hidden compartments or go fast boats so they use the tools available. This is most frequently people desperate to gtfo of wherever they are and or people who already owe the local gang money. On April 17 2019 09:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 08:54 Kyadytim wrote:Trump is attempting to de-facto appropriate the constitutional power to declare war or something approximately equal to that. The constitution is extremely clear that deciding when the US is involved in a war is up to Congress. It’s the second veto of President Trump’s administration. The resolution, which passed the House earlier this month and the Senate last month, would have ended U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.
“This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” Trump said in a statement. www.washingtonpost.com *Sighs* I can’t really think of a level that this doesn’t annoy me on. I mean I never trusted Trump on anything the man said, the one thing I did like at least about his campaign rhetoric was stuff like not bending over for the Saudis Felt like that one went out the window when they chopped a journalist living in the US into pieces(with a recording) and Trump was like"well he said he had nothing to do with it sooo...*shrug*" and we kept selling them bombs to drop on kids and such. It went out of the window long, long before that for me, that was more my ‘oh he’s doing the 180 degree opposite thing even rhetorically too, again’ moment on that one. Yeah I forgot about the whole globe groping thing too. The prison in which I work houses U.S. Marshall's inmates and ICE. The story I have gotten through translation is that people are told they will be bused to the border and will be met on the American side after a grueling trek by someone who will take them to a safe house, many of which exist here in Phoenix AZ. Since a lot of these people are poor, the deal is that they will take a backpack or duffel bag with them, no questions asked. They are told that some of them will be caught and a few may die, but many people are willing to take that risk. The gangs that have a large representation in the facility where I am are usually the Nortenos, the Surenos, and MS13. The number of people who are convinced to take this kind of risk on behalf of the gangs for a better life in America shocks me continuously. Doesn't really add much to the discussion per se, but I figured I could add a little to this post. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norteñoshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sureños
Interesting, thanks for the post. Very sad situation.
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On April 17 2019 11:16 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 10:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:51 Introvert wrote:On April 17 2019 09:34 KwarK wrote:On April 17 2019 08:57 Introvert wrote:A great deal of the chinese fentynal is mailed . And cartels remain a gigantic part of the problem. WASHINGTON – DEA Acting Administrator Uttam Dhillon today announced results of the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment, which outlines the threats posed to the United States by domestic and international drug trafficking and the abuse of illicit drugs.
“This report underscores the scope and magnitude of the ongoing opioid crisis in the United States,” said Acting Administrator Dhillon. “The information in the report represents data and critical intelligence from our law enforcement partners that was gathered over the past year. This report highlights the necessity of using all the tools at our disposal to fight this epidemic, and we must remain steadfast in our mission to combat all dangerous drugs of abuse.”
Among the key 2018 NDTA findings:
Controlled prescription drugs remain responsible for the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class since 2001. These drugs are the second most commonly abused substance. Traffickers are now disguising other opioids as controlled prescription drugs to gain access to this market. (pages 1-10)
Heroin-related drug-poisoning deaths almost doubled between 2013 and 2016. This has been exacerbated by the increased adulteration of heroin with fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. Heroin available in U.S. markets is primarily sourced from Mexico, where opium poppy cultivation and heroin production have both increased significantly in recent years. (pages 11-20)
Of all opioids, the abuse of illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids has led to the greatest number of deaths in the United States. Fentanyl is increasingly available in the form of counterfeit prescription pills marketed for illicit street sales, and also sold by traffickers on its own, without the presence of other drugs. (pages 21-37)
Mexican transnational criminal organizations, including the Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco New Generation Cartel, remain the greatest criminal drug threat in the United States. The cartels are the principal wholesale drug sources for domestic gangs responsible for street-level distribution. (pages 97-99)
National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Drug trafficking remains the major income source for gangs. (pages 107-121) Even if you think less is coming over the border (number are fuzzy because what you don't catch you can't measure), cartel members are still a massive problem as in-country distributors. Sure, it’s just the idea that illegal immigrants are used to carry the product that doesn’t make sense to me. Illegal immigrants are comparatively hard to smuggle. They’re sensitive to temperature, are unsuited to storage, need food and water, produce waste, and don’t do well when vacuum packed. The margin per kg of human is also way lower than on other illicit cargo. By having an illegal immigrant hold your illegal drugs you’re driving up the difficulty. You add all the problems of moving humans because the combined package of human + drugs forces you to move it in a way that protects the most fragile element, the human. If I wanted to move hard drugs I’d do it the way it was done in Breaking Bad, integrate them into the supply chain of a crossborder business, hidden as a tiny proportion of the otherwise legitimate cargo. Vacuum sealed bags at the bottom of a barrel of chicken carcasses on a truck that regularly crosses the border with no illicit cargo. No, this is definitely a thing that happened. That's what the term "drug mule" means in the context of this debate, and has for a very long time. Especially without a secure border. Also, this is another reason they'd run distractions. You send a small group to occupy the attention of the BP while the main haul goes through the hole that's left. Tried and true tactic, decades old. It's logical that it happens less now, because most people are smuggled to the border (so they are found by the BP) vs. the previous decade where they were smuggled across it (to avoid capture). So it was a two-for-one. Smuggling both people and drugs are services for which they charge well. Why not cut costs by having the human part carry the drug part? I think the main issue causing the crossed signals is that cartels move drugs by the ton, gangs move them by the "backpack" There are a lot of medium/smaller gangs that move a lot of drugs by way of "drug mule" the cartels have been using vehicles as their primary transport for decades. The cartels are businesses and run like businesses (with more overt violence). Gangs are like labor ready for the cartels. As such they don't have access to package trucks with hidden compartments or go fast boats so they use the tools available. This is most frequently people desperate to gtfo of wherever they are and or people who already owe the local gang money. On April 17 2019 09:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 08:54 Kyadytim wrote:Trump is attempting to de-facto appropriate the constitutional power to declare war or something approximately equal to that. The constitution is extremely clear that deciding when the US is involved in a war is up to Congress. It’s the second veto of President Trump’s administration. The resolution, which passed the House earlier this month and the Senate last month, would have ended U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.
“This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” Trump said in a statement. www.washingtonpost.com *Sighs* I can’t really think of a level that this doesn’t annoy me on. I mean I never trusted Trump on anything the man said, the one thing I did like at least about his campaign rhetoric was stuff like not bending over for the Saudis Felt like that one went out the window when they chopped a journalist living in the US into pieces(with a recording) and Trump was like"well he said he had nothing to do with it sooo...*shrug*" and we kept selling them bombs to drop on kids and such. It went out of the window long, long before that for me, that was more my ‘oh he’s doing the 180 degree opposite thing even rhetorically too, again’ moment on that one. Yeah I forgot about the whole globe groping thing too. The prison in which I work houses U.S. Marshall's inmates and ICE. The story I have gotten through translation is that people are told they will be bused to the border and will be met on the American side after a grueling trek by someone who will take them to a safe house, many of which exist here in Phoenix AZ. Since a lot of these people are poor, the deal is that they will take a backpack or duffel bag with them, no questions asked. They are told that some of them will be caught and a few may die, but many people are willing to take that risk. The gangs that have a large representation in the facility where I am are usually the Nortenos, the Surenos, and MS13. The number of people who are convinced to take this kind of risk on behalf of the gangs for a better life in America shocks me continuously. Doesn't really add much to the discussion per se, but I figured I could add a little to this post. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norteñoshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sureños When you view your current situation as hopeless the risk doesn't matter anymore, staying is worse then what can happen on the crossing, and death just means the suffering is over.
Those people have, in their eyes atleast, nothing left to lose.
That's also part of why a wall or more brutal border patrol isn't going to help stop them. Its the same situation as those trying to get into Europe. If your willing to try and cross the Mediterranean in a dingy, not much is going to deter you.
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On April 17 2019 18:13 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 11:16 Ayaz2810 wrote:On April 17 2019 10:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:51 Introvert wrote:On April 17 2019 09:34 KwarK wrote:On April 17 2019 08:57 Introvert wrote:A great deal of the chinese fentynal is mailed . And cartels remain a gigantic part of the problem. WASHINGTON – DEA Acting Administrator Uttam Dhillon today announced results of the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment, which outlines the threats posed to the United States by domestic and international drug trafficking and the abuse of illicit drugs.
“This report underscores the scope and magnitude of the ongoing opioid crisis in the United States,” said Acting Administrator Dhillon. “The information in the report represents data and critical intelligence from our law enforcement partners that was gathered over the past year. This report highlights the necessity of using all the tools at our disposal to fight this epidemic, and we must remain steadfast in our mission to combat all dangerous drugs of abuse.”
Among the key 2018 NDTA findings:
Controlled prescription drugs remain responsible for the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class since 2001. These drugs are the second most commonly abused substance. Traffickers are now disguising other opioids as controlled prescription drugs to gain access to this market. (pages 1-10)
Heroin-related drug-poisoning deaths almost doubled between 2013 and 2016. This has been exacerbated by the increased adulteration of heroin with fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. Heroin available in U.S. markets is primarily sourced from Mexico, where opium poppy cultivation and heroin production have both increased significantly in recent years. (pages 11-20)
Of all opioids, the abuse of illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids has led to the greatest number of deaths in the United States. Fentanyl is increasingly available in the form of counterfeit prescription pills marketed for illicit street sales, and also sold by traffickers on its own, without the presence of other drugs. (pages 21-37)
Mexican transnational criminal organizations, including the Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco New Generation Cartel, remain the greatest criminal drug threat in the United States. The cartels are the principal wholesale drug sources for domestic gangs responsible for street-level distribution. (pages 97-99)
National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Drug trafficking remains the major income source for gangs. (pages 107-121) Even if you think less is coming over the border (number are fuzzy because what you don't catch you can't measure), cartel members are still a massive problem as in-country distributors. Sure, it’s just the idea that illegal immigrants are used to carry the product that doesn’t make sense to me. Illegal immigrants are comparatively hard to smuggle. They’re sensitive to temperature, are unsuited to storage, need food and water, produce waste, and don’t do well when vacuum packed. The margin per kg of human is also way lower than on other illicit cargo. By having an illegal immigrant hold your illegal drugs you’re driving up the difficulty. You add all the problems of moving humans because the combined package of human + drugs forces you to move it in a way that protects the most fragile element, the human. If I wanted to move hard drugs I’d do it the way it was done in Breaking Bad, integrate them into the supply chain of a crossborder business, hidden as a tiny proportion of the otherwise legitimate cargo. Vacuum sealed bags at the bottom of a barrel of chicken carcasses on a truck that regularly crosses the border with no illicit cargo. No, this is definitely a thing that happened. That's what the term "drug mule" means in the context of this debate, and has for a very long time. Especially without a secure border. Also, this is another reason they'd run distractions. You send a small group to occupy the attention of the BP while the main haul goes through the hole that's left. Tried and true tactic, decades old. It's logical that it happens less now, because most people are smuggled to the border (so they are found by the BP) vs. the previous decade where they were smuggled across it (to avoid capture). So it was a two-for-one. Smuggling both people and drugs are services for which they charge well. Why not cut costs by having the human part carry the drug part? I think the main issue causing the crossed signals is that cartels move drugs by the ton, gangs move them by the "backpack" There are a lot of medium/smaller gangs that move a lot of drugs by way of "drug mule" the cartels have been using vehicles as their primary transport for decades. The cartels are businesses and run like businesses (with more overt violence). Gangs are like labor ready for the cartels. As such they don't have access to package trucks with hidden compartments or go fast boats so they use the tools available. This is most frequently people desperate to gtfo of wherever they are and or people who already owe the local gang money. On April 17 2019 09:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 08:54 Kyadytim wrote:Trump is attempting to de-facto appropriate the constitutional power to declare war or something approximately equal to that. The constitution is extremely clear that deciding when the US is involved in a war is up to Congress. It’s the second veto of President Trump’s administration. The resolution, which passed the House earlier this month and the Senate last month, would have ended U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.
“This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” Trump said in a statement. www.washingtonpost.com *Sighs* I can’t really think of a level that this doesn’t annoy me on. I mean I never trusted Trump on anything the man said, the one thing I did like at least about his campaign rhetoric was stuff like not bending over for the Saudis Felt like that one went out the window when they chopped a journalist living in the US into pieces(with a recording) and Trump was like"well he said he had nothing to do with it sooo...*shrug*" and we kept selling them bombs to drop on kids and such. It went out of the window long, long before that for me, that was more my ‘oh he’s doing the 180 degree opposite thing even rhetorically too, again’ moment on that one. Yeah I forgot about the whole globe groping thing too. The prison in which I work houses U.S. Marshall's inmates and ICE. The story I have gotten through translation is that people are told they will be bused to the border and will be met on the American side after a grueling trek by someone who will take them to a safe house, many of which exist here in Phoenix AZ. Since a lot of these people are poor, the deal is that they will take a backpack or duffel bag with them, no questions asked. They are told that some of them will be caught and a few may die, but many people are willing to take that risk. The gangs that have a large representation in the facility where I am are usually the Nortenos, the Surenos, and MS13. The number of people who are convinced to take this kind of risk on behalf of the gangs for a better life in America shocks me continuously. Doesn't really add much to the discussion per se, but I figured I could add a little to this post. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norteñoshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sureños When you view your current situation as hopeless the risk doesn't matter anymore, staying is worse then what can happen on the crossing, and death just means the suffering is over. Those people have, in their eyes atleast, nothing left to lose. That's also part of why a wall or more brutal border patrol isn't going to help stop them. Its the same situation as those trying to get into Europe. If your willing to try and cross the Mediterranean in a dingy, not much is going to deter you.
Absolutely.
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On April 17 2019 18:13 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 11:16 Ayaz2810 wrote:On April 17 2019 10:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:51 Introvert wrote:On April 17 2019 09:34 KwarK wrote:On April 17 2019 08:57 Introvert wrote:A great deal of the chinese fentynal is mailed . And cartels remain a gigantic part of the problem. WASHINGTON – DEA Acting Administrator Uttam Dhillon today announced results of the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment, which outlines the threats posed to the United States by domestic and international drug trafficking and the abuse of illicit drugs.
“This report underscores the scope and magnitude of the ongoing opioid crisis in the United States,” said Acting Administrator Dhillon. “The information in the report represents data and critical intelligence from our law enforcement partners that was gathered over the past year. This report highlights the necessity of using all the tools at our disposal to fight this epidemic, and we must remain steadfast in our mission to combat all dangerous drugs of abuse.”
Among the key 2018 NDTA findings:
Controlled prescription drugs remain responsible for the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class since 2001. These drugs are the second most commonly abused substance. Traffickers are now disguising other opioids as controlled prescription drugs to gain access to this market. (pages 1-10)
Heroin-related drug-poisoning deaths almost doubled between 2013 and 2016. This has been exacerbated by the increased adulteration of heroin with fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. Heroin available in U.S. markets is primarily sourced from Mexico, where opium poppy cultivation and heroin production have both increased significantly in recent years. (pages 11-20)
Of all opioids, the abuse of illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids has led to the greatest number of deaths in the United States. Fentanyl is increasingly available in the form of counterfeit prescription pills marketed for illicit street sales, and also sold by traffickers on its own, without the presence of other drugs. (pages 21-37)
Mexican transnational criminal organizations, including the Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco New Generation Cartel, remain the greatest criminal drug threat in the United States. The cartels are the principal wholesale drug sources for domestic gangs responsible for street-level distribution. (pages 97-99)
National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Drug trafficking remains the major income source for gangs. (pages 107-121) Even if you think less is coming over the border (number are fuzzy because what you don't catch you can't measure), cartel members are still a massive problem as in-country distributors. Sure, it’s just the idea that illegal immigrants are used to carry the product that doesn’t make sense to me. Illegal immigrants are comparatively hard to smuggle. They’re sensitive to temperature, are unsuited to storage, need food and water, produce waste, and don’t do well when vacuum packed. The margin per kg of human is also way lower than on other illicit cargo. By having an illegal immigrant hold your illegal drugs you’re driving up the difficulty. You add all the problems of moving humans because the combined package of human + drugs forces you to move it in a way that protects the most fragile element, the human. If I wanted to move hard drugs I’d do it the way it was done in Breaking Bad, integrate them into the supply chain of a crossborder business, hidden as a tiny proportion of the otherwise legitimate cargo. Vacuum sealed bags at the bottom of a barrel of chicken carcasses on a truck that regularly crosses the border with no illicit cargo. No, this is definitely a thing that happened. That's what the term "drug mule" means in the context of this debate, and has for a very long time. Especially without a secure border. Also, this is another reason they'd run distractions. You send a small group to occupy the attention of the BP while the main haul goes through the hole that's left. Tried and true tactic, decades old. It's logical that it happens less now, because most people are smuggled to the border (so they are found by the BP) vs. the previous decade where they were smuggled across it (to avoid capture). So it was a two-for-one. Smuggling both people and drugs are services for which they charge well. Why not cut costs by having the human part carry the drug part? I think the main issue causing the crossed signals is that cartels move drugs by the ton, gangs move them by the "backpack" There are a lot of medium/smaller gangs that move a lot of drugs by way of "drug mule" the cartels have been using vehicles as their primary transport for decades. The cartels are businesses and run like businesses (with more overt violence). Gangs are like labor ready for the cartels. As such they don't have access to package trucks with hidden compartments or go fast boats so they use the tools available. This is most frequently people desperate to gtfo of wherever they are and or people who already owe the local gang money. On April 17 2019 09:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 08:54 Kyadytim wrote:Trump is attempting to de-facto appropriate the constitutional power to declare war or something approximately equal to that. The constitution is extremely clear that deciding when the US is involved in a war is up to Congress. It’s the second veto of President Trump’s administration. The resolution, which passed the House earlier this month and the Senate last month, would have ended U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.
“This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” Trump said in a statement. www.washingtonpost.com *Sighs* I can’t really think of a level that this doesn’t annoy me on. I mean I never trusted Trump on anything the man said, the one thing I did like at least about his campaign rhetoric was stuff like not bending over for the Saudis Felt like that one went out the window when they chopped a journalist living in the US into pieces(with a recording) and Trump was like"well he said he had nothing to do with it sooo...*shrug*" and we kept selling them bombs to drop on kids and such. It went out of the window long, long before that for me, that was more my ‘oh he’s doing the 180 degree opposite thing even rhetorically too, again’ moment on that one. Yeah I forgot about the whole globe groping thing too. The prison in which I work houses U.S. Marshall's inmates and ICE. The story I have gotten through translation is that people are told they will be bused to the border and will be met on the American side after a grueling trek by someone who will take them to a safe house, many of which exist here in Phoenix AZ. Since a lot of these people are poor, the deal is that they will take a backpack or duffel bag with them, no questions asked. They are told that some of them will be caught and a few may die, but many people are willing to take that risk. The gangs that have a large representation in the facility where I am are usually the Nortenos, the Surenos, and MS13. The number of people who are convinced to take this kind of risk on behalf of the gangs for a better life in America shocks me continuously. Doesn't really add much to the discussion per se, but I figured I could add a little to this post. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norteñoshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sureños When you view your current situation as hopeless the risk doesn't matter anymore, staying is worse then what can happen on the crossing, and death just means the suffering is over. Those people have, in their eyes atleast, nothing left to lose. That's also part of why a wall or more brutal border patrol isn't going to help stop them. Its the same situation as those trying to get into Europe. If your willing to try and cross the Mediterranean in a dingy, not much is going to deter you.
The wall isn't about keeping people out, its about getting votes by appealing to people's hatred of foreigners.
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Immigration has always been about keeping groups of people out of the country and the votes that come with that. Sessions used to cite a 1924 immigration law that he felt was very good and what the country needed. He never talks about how the law came into existence, whose writings inspired the law and what group of people thought that law was a great way to take back their country. Someone thought the law was so good he cited it his book that he wrote while in prison.
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On April 17 2019 21:53 Plansix wrote:
Immigration has always been about keeping groups of people out of the country and the votes that come with that. Sessions used to cite a 1924 immigration law that he felt was very good and what the country needed. He never talks about how the law came into existence, whose writings inspired the law and what group of people thought that law was a great way to take back their country. Someone thought the law was so good he cited it his book that he wrote while in prison.
Who could that man have possibly been? My history is pretty sketchy, was it Oscar Wilde?
It’s a shame the migration debate seems to be primarily between building a bloody wall and ‘let them in’, crudely speaking.
The rhetorical acceptance that migration to the West is needed for people seeking better lives is just tacit acceptance that the current state of affairs is not changeable, or is somehow natural and thus acts as an outlet valve towards wider evaluation of other stuff.
I mean between the outlined dichotomy I’m obviously firmly in one camp, I just don’t think it should be such a dichotomy in the first place.
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On April 17 2019 21:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 18:13 Gorsameth wrote:On April 17 2019 11:16 Ayaz2810 wrote:On April 17 2019 10:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:51 Introvert wrote:On April 17 2019 09:34 KwarK wrote:On April 17 2019 08:57 Introvert wrote:A great deal of the chinese fentynal is mailed . And cartels remain a gigantic part of the problem. WASHINGTON – DEA Acting Administrator Uttam Dhillon today announced results of the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessment, which outlines the threats posed to the United States by domestic and international drug trafficking and the abuse of illicit drugs.
“This report underscores the scope and magnitude of the ongoing opioid crisis in the United States,” said Acting Administrator Dhillon. “The information in the report represents data and critical intelligence from our law enforcement partners that was gathered over the past year. This report highlights the necessity of using all the tools at our disposal to fight this epidemic, and we must remain steadfast in our mission to combat all dangerous drugs of abuse.”
Among the key 2018 NDTA findings:
Controlled prescription drugs remain responsible for the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class since 2001. These drugs are the second most commonly abused substance. Traffickers are now disguising other opioids as controlled prescription drugs to gain access to this market. (pages 1-10)
Heroin-related drug-poisoning deaths almost doubled between 2013 and 2016. This has been exacerbated by the increased adulteration of heroin with fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. Heroin available in U.S. markets is primarily sourced from Mexico, where opium poppy cultivation and heroin production have both increased significantly in recent years. (pages 11-20)
Of all opioids, the abuse of illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids has led to the greatest number of deaths in the United States. Fentanyl is increasingly available in the form of counterfeit prescription pills marketed for illicit street sales, and also sold by traffickers on its own, without the presence of other drugs. (pages 21-37)
Mexican transnational criminal organizations, including the Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco New Generation Cartel, remain the greatest criminal drug threat in the United States. The cartels are the principal wholesale drug sources for domestic gangs responsible for street-level distribution. (pages 97-99)
National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Drug trafficking remains the major income source for gangs. (pages 107-121) Even if you think less is coming over the border (number are fuzzy because what you don't catch you can't measure), cartel members are still a massive problem as in-country distributors. Sure, it’s just the idea that illegal immigrants are used to carry the product that doesn’t make sense to me. Illegal immigrants are comparatively hard to smuggle. They’re sensitive to temperature, are unsuited to storage, need food and water, produce waste, and don’t do well when vacuum packed. The margin per kg of human is also way lower than on other illicit cargo. By having an illegal immigrant hold your illegal drugs you’re driving up the difficulty. You add all the problems of moving humans because the combined package of human + drugs forces you to move it in a way that protects the most fragile element, the human. If I wanted to move hard drugs I’d do it the way it was done in Breaking Bad, integrate them into the supply chain of a crossborder business, hidden as a tiny proportion of the otherwise legitimate cargo. Vacuum sealed bags at the bottom of a barrel of chicken carcasses on a truck that regularly crosses the border with no illicit cargo. No, this is definitely a thing that happened. That's what the term "drug mule" means in the context of this debate, and has for a very long time. Especially without a secure border. Also, this is another reason they'd run distractions. You send a small group to occupy the attention of the BP while the main haul goes through the hole that's left. Tried and true tactic, decades old. It's logical that it happens less now, because most people are smuggled to the border (so they are found by the BP) vs. the previous decade where they were smuggled across it (to avoid capture). So it was a two-for-one. Smuggling both people and drugs are services for which they charge well. Why not cut costs by having the human part carry the drug part? I think the main issue causing the crossed signals is that cartels move drugs by the ton, gangs move them by the "backpack" There are a lot of medium/smaller gangs that move a lot of drugs by way of "drug mule" the cartels have been using vehicles as their primary transport for decades. The cartels are businesses and run like businesses (with more overt violence). Gangs are like labor ready for the cartels. As such they don't have access to package trucks with hidden compartments or go fast boats so they use the tools available. This is most frequently people desperate to gtfo of wherever they are and or people who already owe the local gang money. On April 17 2019 09:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2019 09:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 17 2019 08:54 Kyadytim wrote:Trump is attempting to de-facto appropriate the constitutional power to declare war or something approximately equal to that. The constitution is extremely clear that deciding when the US is involved in a war is up to Congress. It’s the second veto of President Trump’s administration. The resolution, which passed the House earlier this month and the Senate last month, would have ended U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.
“This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” Trump said in a statement. www.washingtonpost.com *Sighs* I can’t really think of a level that this doesn’t annoy me on. I mean I never trusted Trump on anything the man said, the one thing I did like at least about his campaign rhetoric was stuff like not bending over for the Saudis Felt like that one went out the window when they chopped a journalist living in the US into pieces(with a recording) and Trump was like"well he said he had nothing to do with it sooo...*shrug*" and we kept selling them bombs to drop on kids and such. It went out of the window long, long before that for me, that was more my ‘oh he’s doing the 180 degree opposite thing even rhetorically too, again’ moment on that one. Yeah I forgot about the whole globe groping thing too. The prison in which I work houses U.S. Marshall's inmates and ICE. The story I have gotten through translation is that people are told they will be bused to the border and will be met on the American side after a grueling trek by someone who will take them to a safe house, many of which exist here in Phoenix AZ. Since a lot of these people are poor, the deal is that they will take a backpack or duffel bag with them, no questions asked. They are told that some of them will be caught and a few may die, but many people are willing to take that risk. The gangs that have a large representation in the facility where I am are usually the Nortenos, the Surenos, and MS13. The number of people who are convinced to take this kind of risk on behalf of the gangs for a better life in America shocks me continuously. Doesn't really add much to the discussion per se, but I figured I could add a little to this post. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norteñoshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sureños When you view your current situation as hopeless the risk doesn't matter anymore, staying is worse then what can happen on the crossing, and death just means the suffering is over. Those people have, in their eyes atleast, nothing left to lose. That's also part of why a wall or more brutal border patrol isn't going to help stop them. Its the same situation as those trying to get into Europe. If your willing to try and cross the Mediterranean in a dingy, not much is going to deter you. The wall isn't about keeping people out, its about getting votes by appealing to people's hatred of foreigners.
Well I think it’s certainly Trump’s intent in doing so anyway, and plenty of people do hate those foreigners on a pure xenophobe levels.
Plenty don’t, for a myriad of legitimate reasons, the longer those aren’t at least entertained eventually it just festers until eventually they go to the dude who says he’ll build a giant wall because at least it’s something.
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On April 17 2019 23:42 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 21:53 Plansix wrote:
Immigration has always been about keeping groups of people out of the country and the votes that come with that. Sessions used to cite a 1924 immigration law that he felt was very good and what the country needed. He never talks about how the law came into existence, whose writings inspired the law and what group of people thought that law was a great way to take back their country. Someone thought the law was so good he cited it his book that he wrote while in prison. Who could that man have possibly been? My history is pretty sketchy, was it Oscar Wilde? It’s a shame the migration debate seems to be primarily between building a bloody wall and ‘let them in’, crudely speaking. The rhetorical acceptance that migration to the West is needed for people seeking better lives is just tacit acceptance that the current state of affairs is not changeable, or is somehow natural and thus acts as an outlet valve towards wider evaluation of other stuff. I mean between the outlined dichotomy I’m obviously firmly in one camp, I just don’t think it should be such a dichotomy in the first place.
The worst part about the modern discussion of He Who Shall Not Be Named by Godwin’s Law is that when you can’t even discuss him and his followers when they directly cite the thing you are talking about. They repeatedly cited the US model of immigration restrictions as an inspiration for their efforts in their country. But that doesn’t slow Sessions, Miller and their fans from citing the 1924 law as a great thing and something we should do right now. Which leads me to also argue that omitting those dark parts of modern US history(1920s-1930s) hinders the public from grappling with those topics now. If we taught the 1924 immigration law or Tulsa race riots or anything else between WW1 and WW2, we might not be so keen to accept people making the same arguments today. But that scrubbing of our recent national sins is intentional.
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You have fallen unstuck via Wombat’s Law, whereupon correct invocations of Hitler are discounted in accordance to Godwin’s Law.
I mean not my law but I’m going to try and claim it
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I believe Godwin himself said his law is bad and shouldn’t be cited anymore. I would argue it was always a bad rule made by someone who didn’t understand the mechanics of how the Nazi’s came to power.
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I want to make a set of "wild" predictions about 2020 so far.
+ Show Spoiler +Warren will be the first t2 candidate to drop out and 1st "major" candidate to endorse Sanders.
The field will be cut down by half or more after the 2nd debate/August.
It's a 3 person race by the primaries even if more hang around.
I'll be able to confidently predict the final 3 before the new year.
See if I look foolish or clairvoyant by new years 
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