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A s1mple pickup
January 2nd, 2016 18:07 GMT
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Over the past few weeks, rumors have been circling about potential changes to Liquid's CS:GO roster. We had been searching for a dedicated AWPer for some time now, and put in lots of time and research into finding the right player to build our team with towards the future. We were determined to change our team's composition because we were unsatisfied with the results of an IGL/AWP dual role. The burden was often too heavy for one player to bear and it did not align with our entire team's strengths.
As some had already alluded to, we first trialed Allu for the position, and he had to decide between signing for Liquid or developing the Finnish scene. Unfortunately, he chose to stick up for his homeland; while things did not work out, we respect his decision as it is something that is obviously close to his heart. Our pursuit continued, but we did not have to wait long to find an ideal match.
Today, we announce the addition of s1mple to our CS:GO roster. Known as one of the most talented yet raw players in the scene, s1mple is determined to make a mark with more than just his aim. He is not shy about the problems that he experienced in the past, but he realizes that he must offer more maturity and good judgment to fulfill his potential. This was the main concern on everyone's minds: the task of integrating s1mple successfully into our team's atmosphere. His talent and skill are undeniable, but s1mple understands that in order to be recognized as a world class player, he must develop his ability to work within a team.
This was the focal point of our conversations with him, and I could not be happier that he acknowledges as much. We are aware that we must be diligent during this transition period, but we believe in his potential to grow both as a player and as a person. We will give him all the support he needs in order to acclimatize to his new surroundings, which includes bringing him over to the team house with support staff, further developing his English skills through lessons, and helping him bond with his new teammates.
We will continue to work hard towards becoming the best team in—and a worthy representative of—North America, and we know that s1mple will play an integral part in making this a reality.
<div class="sname">- Victor "Nazgul" Goossens</div>
<div class="squote">"This is an incredibly big step for me, for both my career and life experience. I will be moving to a new country where I don't know anyone, leaving behind my parents, friends and girlfriend in order to pursue a dream I know I can achieve. The pressure to succeed is great, but I know that I can handle it. It means a lot to me to finally join Liquid, and their belief in me was a big part of my decision. I will do everything I can in order to achieve good results. Thank you to all my fans that have continued to support me, and I promise that I will show my full potential."
<div class="sname">- Liquid`s1mple</div></div>
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Wow, It actually happened! Welcome to NA Simple!
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50585 Posts
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But he learned so much swedish ...
I dont see it working out.
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ojojo. Liquid with S1mple might become unstoppable
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Holy fucking shit,
S1mple on his good day is easily a top 5 player in the world. Liquid can be serious candidates if he manages to control his anger.
Simple + Nitro + Hiko = Liquid easily number 1 NA.
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Fingers crossed, GL s1mple 
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
now, what will our resident super fans pbtl think about this?
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On January 03 2016 03:36 amazingxkcd wrote:
now, what will our resident super fans pbtl think about this?
:D haha
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Wasn't there a pretty strong point about Team Liquid's philosophy being that attitude is more important even than raw results? Guess that was just meant for the StarCraft division lol. I will have a hard time to cheer for TL with s1mple on it. He hacked (a longer time ago tho), he's banned from ESL for said hacking and then trying to get back into it, he scammed fans/users for skins multiple times (not a very long time ago last), he's thrown (albeit nobody could prove he benefited), he's known as pretty much the most toxic pro-level player out there, he's said all German people are nazis and made countless other racist/xenophobic and other remarks on his streams.
I know he's promised to be better and more mature from now on. But then again he's said this before. And it never happened. I'm disappointed in TL of all teams choosing to pick him up and - while I'll still support the other four on the team - I can't help but feel like I might experience a little Schadenfreude when he turns sour and gets kicked again.
Sorry for the negativity in this announcement thread but it's my honest thoughts!
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
that comment about attitude was made before tlpro's merger with Curse, when we had sc2 and dota (for a brief stint of dota team #1) and I'm quite sure that tl pro is now focused on results. I stand to be corrected on this, but Hiko wouldn't join an org like TL if they weren't invested into getting results as that was a major reason for him leaving cloud9. In league, TL pro announced a 10 man roster for LCS and a new coach to win LCS sprints and now with s1mple's pickup, this solidifies the notion that results do matter for the cs:go division
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Noice. It is obvious he is excited for the opportunity(he could barely keep it secret), I wish him success.
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United States261 Posts
Can't wait to see how the lineup performs!
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Also looking to see this lineup in action!
GL!
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United States1201 Posts
Can't wait to see how this lineup preforms, good luck TL!
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I am interested to see how this will develop. I am all for mixing nationalities in CSGO teams. I've really enjoyed s1mple's play, reckless or not, he delivers and from a spectator's point it's refreshing to watch.
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Great pick up if it works out.
But I can't cheer for Liquid anymore ! People in the team are as important as results for me, and s1mple is one of the few players I trully disrespect.
Hope he proves me wrong over the time ! gl
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Awesome pickup. There is always the possibility this blows up in liquid's face but he is a young kid with a lot of energy and a lot to learn about life in general. He has done some shitty things but who hasn't at this guy's age? Finally feel like I can cheer for liquid again.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 03 2016 04:08 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Wasn't there a pretty strong point about Team Liquid's philosophy being that attitude is more important even than raw results? Guess that was just meant for the StarCraft division lol. I will have a hard time to cheer for TL with s1mple on it. He hacked (a longer time ago tho), he's banned from ESL for said hacking and then trying to get back into it, he scammed fans/users for skins multiple times (not a very long time ago last), he's thrown (albeit nobody could prove he benefited), he's known as pretty much the most toxic pro-level player out there, he's said all German people are nazis and made countless other racist/xenophobic and other remarks on his streams.
I know he's promised to be better and more mature from now on. But then again he's said this before. And it never happened. I'm disappointed in TL of all teams choosing to pick him up and - while I'll still support the other four on the team - I can't help but feel like I might experience a little Schadenfreude when he turns sour and gets kicked again.
Sorry for the negativity in this announcement thread but it's my honest thoughts!
Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.
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interesting addition. very curious how it works out
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So him playing with Hiko on stream all the time wasnt just a coincidence im excited for great things to happen with his new addition!
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
So, uh, James better implement some strategy now.
TL never was really dependant on the AWP and now when you have guy like s1mple, who wants everyone to do his job and won't be silent if they can't do it.
Good luck to both parties, on paper it's probably the best NA team considering that s1mple is Skadoodle's kryptonite, but if swag is unbanned, probs should just stick to #2.
s1mple, ne bud' durakom. :>
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I hope it works out cuz cuz top tier teams=more fun
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Eh, I like Allu more but s1mple will do just fine
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On January 03 2016 07:38 Shana wrote:
Eh, I like Allu more but s1mple will do just fine
I think s1mple is a better player than allu individually. Going to have to see if he's going to be able to keep his toxic attitude in check.
nitr0, s1mple and hiko is a ridiculous amount of raw talent though, might be interesting to see how that plays out. Can't help to feel that adren still is the odd man out. With that much talent behind him, his shortcomings both as an individual player will be even more glaring than seangeares's in C9. Elige is plenty good enough for that team.
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On January 03 2016 04:08 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Wasn't there a pretty strong point about Team Liquid's philosophy being that attitude is more important even than raw results? Guess that was just meant for the StarCraft division lol. I will have a hard time to cheer for TL with s1mple on it. He hacked (a longer time ago tho), he's banned from ESL for said hacking and then trying to get back into it, he scammed fans/users for skins multiple times (not a very long time ago last), he's thrown (albeit nobody could prove he benefited), he's known as pretty much the most toxic pro-level player out there, he's said all German people are nazis and made countless other racist/xenophobic and other remarks on his streams.
I know he's promised to be better and more mature from now on. But then again he's said this before. And it never happened. I'm disappointed in TL of all teams choosing to pick him up and - while I'll still support the other four on the team - I can't help but feel like I might experience a little Schadenfreude when he turns sour and gets kicked again.
Sorry for the negativity in this announcement thread but it's my honest thoughts!
On January 03 2016 04:16 amazingxkcd wrote:
that comment about attitude was made before tlpro's merger with Curse, when we had sc2 and dota (for a brief stint of dota team #1) and I'm quite sure that tl pro is now focused on results. I stand to be corrected on this, but Hiko wouldn't join an org like TL if they weren't invested into getting results as that was a major reason for him leaving cloud9. In league, TL pro announced a 10 man roster for LCS and a new coach to win LCS sprints and now with s1mple's pickup, this solidifies the notion that results do matter for the cs:go division
This entirely. Its disappointing to see TL basically sell-out their old values and become a hivemind corporation. Makes sense from a business standpoint but i just cant get behind a team with Hiko + S1mple on it, they are amazing talents but toxic as all fuck in their own way. At least when TL was the home of the veteran underdog + his aspiring young guns it still maintained some of TLs grassroots style, even if i hate AdreN as a player 
I dont see the team lasting tbh, it'll be top #1 NA for a while based on pure skill before it implodes under the egos and rage, if it doesnt implode they simply dont have the leadership to go toe-to-toe with EU in a meaningful way.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
shortest plank barrel etc
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On January 03 2016 08:11 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 04:08 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Wasn't there a pretty strong point about Team Liquid's philosophy being that attitude is more important even than raw results? Guess that was just meant for the StarCraft division lol. I will have a hard time to cheer for TL with s1mple on it. He hacked (a longer time ago tho), he's banned from ESL for said hacking and then trying to get back into it, he scammed fans/users for skins multiple times (not a very long time ago last), he's thrown (albeit nobody could prove he benefited), he's known as pretty much the most toxic pro-level player out there, he's said all German people are nazis and made countless other racist/xenophobic and other remarks on his streams.
I know he's promised to be better and more mature from now on. But then again he's said this before. And it never happened. I'm disappointed in TL of all teams choosing to pick him up and - while I'll still support the other four on the team - I can't help but feel like I might experience a little Schadenfreude when he turns sour and gets kicked again.
Sorry for the negativity in this announcement thread but it's my honest thoughts! Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 04:16 amazingxkcd wrote:
that comment about attitude was made before tlpro's merger with Curse, when we had sc2 and dota (for a brief stint of dota team #1) and I'm quite sure that tl pro is now focused on results. I stand to be corrected on this, but Hiko wouldn't join an org like TL if they weren't invested into getting results as that was a major reason for him leaving cloud9. In league, TL pro announced a 10 man roster for LCS and a new coach to win LCS sprints and now with s1mple's pickup, this solidifies the notion that results do matter for the cs:go division This entirely. Its disappointing to see TL basically sell-out their old values and become a hivemind corporation. Makes sense from a business standpoint but i just cant get behind a team with Hiko + S1mple on it, they are amazing talents but toxic as all fuck in their own way. At least when TL was the home of the veteran underdog + his aspiring young guns it still maintained some of TLs grassroots style, even if i hate AdreN as a player I dont see the team lasting tbh, it'll be top #1 NA for a while based on pure skill before it implodes under the egos and rage, if it doesnt implode they simply dont have the leadership to go toe-to-toe with EU in a meaningful way.
Building a team on player character and attitude alone makes no sense whatsoever and I am glad they are going away from it.
That being said, the opposite is true (you can't disregard attitude completely either), and I hope things will work with Simple. On talent alone he is the best pickup out there for almost any team by far, but there is always the question of attitude with him. And it's not the first time I hear he wants to change, but in the end never does it.
NA fpl is going to be even more entertaining to watch.
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France9034 Posts
I'm siding with NihiL on this one a bit. I always valued Liquid as a team that cared about representing some form of sportsmanship and etiquette. S1mple isn't exactly fitting into this. Then, I really wish S1mple could get somehow better as a person by being in Liquid. This would be so amazing to fix that and go alongside his talent.
Then, I don't dream either.
But this will definitely be interesting!
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he's come a long way in terms of manners!
in todays stream, he didn't call them noobs explicitly, just implicitly
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fGHyjCA.png)
with the comment: "it's not toxic, it's true"
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S1mple is really good, I hope and think this can work out well. Welcome!
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On January 03 2016 08:11 Capped wrote:
Its disappointing to see TL basically sell-out their old values and become a hivemind corporation. Makes sense from a business standpoint but i just cant get behind a team with Hiko + S1mple on it
What do you expect? TL.net to pour salaries month after month just to be mocked at any lan event?
People, realize that any csgo team is there to market a brand, to try to make children buy jerseys, gear and lan tickets. It's not for some weird honor and team values, it's just a bunch of young people who are put there to milk the most money in a short amount of time.
Remove the monetary incentive and every team will surely collapse.
I was a semi pro in cs back in 2001 for a while. I fucking hated it when management told our team that we have to tell some kids younger than us stuff like "Yeah, this mouse and keyboard make me a better player, go buy it from the store near the pc club where we play!". I actually never did that and I quit the team back then because my dad was always supportive and I never had issue to pay for gaming, I never thought I'd play for money, always for fun.
But this is the truth - pro players play to make kids buy stuff and spend as much mom and dad money as possible.
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Ouch.
Don't like it.
I'm totally with Capped on this one. I can't see this team last longer than a few months.
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Surely there are skilled players out there that you can pick up that aren't toxic as fuck. Besides, for branding purposes it probably helps if the player is generally liked, so it's not necessarily the best choice even from a "business" standpoint.
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Why is this in general? :o
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
hmmm curious if this move will really work out :/
not too big a fan of simple here
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 03 2016 23:36 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 03:36 amazingxkcd wrote:
now, what will our resident super fans pbtl think about this? Nothing. Adren is still in the team. And Hiko. And Elige. So many weakest links But no Flowsick. How do they expect to win a major like this? I expect a kick everybody, including Bumblebee, call the moment they lose a game
It's not the same man 
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I dont like this move, especially considering liquids strategy and values. It unfortunatelly shows how desperate they are in the cs:go scene and are willing to risk that much.
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11589 Posts
While I understand that many of you view s1mple as a toxic player (a term that I am loathe to use myself), would you rather see the team mired in mediocrity as they have been?
There are few people out there as talented as s1mple. Allu declined TL's offer. In terms of immediate improvement, this is an upgrade that the other 2 top NA teams will be hard-pressed to match, and even one that makes TL more dangerous in international competition.
Is it a risk to bring on s1mple? Yes. But you don't get anywhere by playing it safe. Over the past year, TL has built this team from its roots as a middling ESEA Pro team to one of the best in NA. This is the next step they need to take to become internationally relevant.
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csgo is not sc2. You can't have a roster of csgo players that is 80% friendly faces but shit tier and 1-2 guys that ever actually do/win anything. Your entire team suffers greatly for every single person on the roster who has no business being called a pro gamer. The csgo scene simply does not care if a player is toxic if they can perform on lan. liquid has immediately picked up more fans than not for this signing and if results come in, even more so.
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On January 04 2016 07:41 HugoBallzak wrote:
csgo is not sc2. You can't have a roster of csgo players that is 80% friendly faces but shit tier and 1-2 guys that ever actually do/win anything. Your entire team suffers greatly for every single person on the roster who has no business being called a pro gamer. The csgo scene simply does not care if a player is toxic if they can perform on lan.
liquid has immediately picked up more fans than not for this signing and if results come in, even more so.
So you are implying that every pro that isn't "shit tier" is an a** ? o.0
And just b/c "the cs go scene" who you seem to speak for does not care if a player is toxic if s/he can perform on lan it does not mean you can't voice your opinion on these forums that Liquid is selling their values. Apparently ppl here are part of that generalized cs go scene as well, so at least a part of it does care.
That said, I'm happy for TLpro finding their 5th player after those prolonged negotiations, I'm sure s1mple will deliver
Kinda disappointed by shafting the values, too, tough.
I guess time will tell if it'll evolve into a team that you can still cheer for (for performance and their values) or you can just cheer for b/c they are #1 .... and gets discarded as as soon as another team buys the top players and gets new #1.
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One could argue that it's actually far more important to avoid toxic players in team games. A player with an attitude has far more of an effect on the performance of their teammates when they have to work together in every game.
That said, team dynamics are hard to predict and it's probably almost as likely that the friendly face turns out to be the one with locker room issues.
Liquid's nice guy branding has been nothing but branding since early SC2 days anyway.
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This is a massive long term mistake. Most experts and commentators generally agree, that NA problems in CS:GO aren't related to talent. There are enough talented NA players. The problem is they are toxic and have terrible practice habits.
So why bring in the most toxic player in Europe, who has never been able to stay in a single team for a long period of time? I guess the whole Flipside debacle wasn't enough.
He's not even that talented. He had a handful of good games. He's nowhere near top 10, but CS:GO is all hype, so most teams figure that out after they sign him and have to deal with his immaturity.
I'm really rooting for Liquid. I hope they can make this work with s1mple. But so many before have failed, it really worries me.
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France9034 Posts
On January 04 2016 07:41 HugoBallzak wrote:
csgo is not sc2. You can't have a roster of csgo players that is 80% friendly faces but shit tier and 1-2 guys that ever actually do/win anything. Your entire team suffers greatly for every single person on the roster who has no business being called a pro gamer. The csgo scene simply does not care if a player is toxic if they can perform on lan. liquid has immediately picked up more fans than not for this signing and if results come in, even more so.
I'm part of this scene and I care. Oh and I believe I'm not the only one.
Do not speak in the name of "the scene", you simply can't. Because you're not entitled to, and because it's not a coherent whole. There's different opinions on certain matters in this "scene".
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On January 04 2016 22:13 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:41 HugoBallzak wrote:
csgo is not sc2. You can't have a roster of csgo players that is 80% friendly faces but shit tier and 1-2 guys that ever actually do/win anything. Your entire team suffers greatly for every single person on the roster who has no business being called a pro gamer. The csgo scene simply does not care if a player is toxic if they can perform on lan. liquid has immediately picked up more fans than not for this signing and if results come in, even more so. I'm part of this scene and I care. Oh and I believe I'm not the only one. Do not speak in the name of "the scene", you simply can't. Because you're not entitled to, and because it's not a coherent whole. There's different opinions on certain matters in this "scene".
LOL. You are so right. I obviously meant every single person who follows csgo. Honestly can't wait to see s1mple shit on the rest of NA. All these FPL pug stars gonna have to seriously step up their game if they want their teams to compete with liquid. Barring some last second major pickup by cloud 9 of someone like pronax I dont see how any team is gonna match a liquid lead by hiko and s1mple. Liquid needs a player who isn't going to be happy with shit placings tourny after tourny and honestly, plenty of NA is just as "toxic" as this guy is so he will fit in just fine.
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I don't have much love for s1mple given his past attitude, but I'm very interested to see how a professional organization like Liquid` handles it. If they can get his attitude in check, this could be a huge pickup (then add Pronax and move adren to coach or 6th man).
I've been a Liquid fan for a long time in multiple games, so I'm really pulling to see them be a top international competitor in GO as well.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On January 04 2016 21:33 Kaewins wrote:
This is a massive long term mistake. Most experts and commentators generally agree, that NA problems in CS:GO aren't related to talent. There are enough talented NA players. The problem is they are toxic and have terrible practice habits.
So why bring in the most toxic player in Europe, who has never been able to stay in a single team for a long period of time? I guess the whole Flipside debacle wasn't enough.
He's not even that talented. He had a handful of good games. He's nowhere near top 10, but CS:GO is all hype, so most teams figure that out after they sign him and have to deal with his immaturity.
I'm really rooting for Liquid. I hope they can make this work with s1mple. But so many before have failed, it really worries me.
He's not even that talented. He had a handful of good games. He's nowhere near top 10, but CS:GO is all hype, so most teams figure that out after they sign him and have to deal with his immaturity.
I'm scared to even ask who is "talented" then.
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On January 05 2016 04:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 21:33 Kaewins wrote:
This is a massive long term mistake. Most experts and commentators generally agree, that NA problems in CS:GO aren't related to talent. There are enough talented NA players. The problem is they are toxic and have terrible practice habits.
So why bring in the most toxic player in Europe, who has never been able to stay in a single team for a long period of time? I guess the whole Flipside debacle wasn't enough.
He's not even that talented. He had a handful of good games. He's nowhere near top 10, but CS:GO is all hype, so most teams figure that out after they sign him and have to deal with his immaturity.
I'm really rooting for Liquid. I hope they can make this work with s1mple. But so many before have failed, it really worries me. Show nested quote +
He's not even that talented. He had a handful of good games. He's nowhere near top 10, but CS:GO is all hype, so most teams figure that out after they sign him and have to deal with his immaturity.
I'm scared to even ask who is "talented" then.
indeed. HR with and without s1mple was the difference between competing with the top, and nearly being beaten by female T3 teams. He is ridiculously good.
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I think that the term "toxic" is being interpreted badly by many people. Many act like mentioning that s1mple has a past of being needlessly harsh to his teammates is a judgment against him. I used to be a toxic piece of shit when I was good at CS, and I grew out of it, as have many people. It's a potential hurdle for the player and the team, not something that makes a guy worthless.
I personally couldn't care less if s1mple is a dick (or not) to his teammate. What matters is how it plays out on the server. Does he put everyone on tilt? Does he inspire them and make them want to improve? These things matter.
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Holy shit what a pickup. It'll be really interesting to see how this is going to work out. Not only because of how crazy good and hyped this guy is, but also how TL is going to handle him. I'll definitely be watching Liquid's matches now.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 05 2016 05:25 Djzapz wrote:
It's a potential hurdle for the player and the team, not something that makes a guy worthless.
"i'll wait for the results and see whether he changes before i make a conclusion" just isn't as fun a post to make, apparently
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That's what it's been said for every team he joined thus far. It was always "he changed this time", but he never did. You don't go from making racist comments, to insulting your team mates, to "changed" in a few months time. It's just not how human beings function.
The thing with Liquid is, compared to the other teams he's been in, they probably pay him a lot more. I also don't doubt, that he is obliged by contract to not insult any of his team mates this time. Money is a very strong motivator, which could be a game changer for people like him.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
i'm more curious about his decision to move to the US. this is basically the biggest decision he's ever made in his life, and if he doesn't sincerely try to change and make the most of this opportunity, it's going to be a very bad one. he's not going to be in his comfort zone at home anymore, this is a huge risk for both parties. i can't imagine s1mple having many more chances if he screws this up regardless of how talented he is, so i have a feeling he'll take this seriously.
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United States22883 Posts
On January 05 2016 05:25 Djzapz wrote:
I personally couldn't care less if s1mple is a dick (or not) to his teammate. What matters is how it plays out on the server. Does he put everyone on tilt? Does he inspire them and make them want to improve? These things matter.
I mean, it's one thing to be a dick in general. It's another to be a dick towards your teammates. A player isn't toxic because they're an asshole; they're toxic because they negatively affect team chemistry. If you can't grind your way through losing streaks without blowing up the whole thing, it's a problem. And that's historically been an issue in NA - bad practice/planning habits and short fuses, leading to worse chemistry and too much instability.
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The biggest risk liquid is running is keeping adren on the team. A player that low can tilt a player like s1mple pretty easily.
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On January 05 2016 16:12 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 05:25 Djzapz wrote:
I personally couldn't care less if s1mple is a dick (or not) to his teammate. What matters is how it plays out on the server. Does he put everyone on tilt? Does he inspire them and make them want to improve? These things matter. I mean, it's one thing to be a dick in general. It's another to be a dick towards your teammates. A player isn't toxic because they're an asshole; they're toxic because they negatively affect team chemistry. If you can't grind your way through losing streaks without blowing up the whole thing, it's a problem. And that's historically been an issue in NA - bad practice/planning habits and short fuses, leading to worse chemistry and too much instability.
I don't think that "they're toxic because they negatively affect team chemistry" is necessarily true. This is not a binary world, people and teams react differently to the inputs. I think it's fair to say that a team like VP which has dealt and continues to deal with a fair bit of "toxicity" from time to time can deal with it better than some others. There have been teams that have succeeded DESPITE "toxicity" (which I feel is now a term that is being dragged through the mud). That's because the player brings more to the team with individual talent (perhaps like s1mple can) or with good leadership (Dazed) than they take away by being assholes to their teammates, but also because some people just don't tilt when they get yelled at and others completely fall apart. It depends.
Plus s1mple is 17 or something. He might still grow up, he might be motivated, being in a proper team that gives a decent salary probably unlike HR. Maybe TL will be able to make use of him.
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I don't know. I saw teams succeed with players like that but the writing was always on the wall. It was short term success and it always came back to bite them in spectacularly entertaining ways. Then again, the writing is always on the wall for everyone, even stable teams. It just always struck me that the best teams could have jerks in them, but still be fairly drama free because they weren't nasty to each other.
I'm sure the scene is significantly different from when I was in it, but on the surface this seems to me like the same gamble NA teams make time and time again. Very, very occasionally those players grow up and become leaders, but most of the time the gamble leads to the same instability NA has always suffered from. Raw talent and short term success placed above long term development.
I think we get too attached to narratives on potential and skill caps, so we falsely believe the only way a player will grow is through maturity. I think it's equally possible for "skill capped" players to improve, even if their reaction time isn't getting quicker, and no one gives enough credit to that. Even the way people are talking about adreN here surprises me, like he's dead meat and can't keep up anymore.
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Sad to see teamliquid get cheaters in their team. Other people will think: well, cheating is not that bad. And even if i get caught, i can play in the best teams in the world.
Nice job TL
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Something needed to happen, hopefully this works out!
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