Barack Obama vs Hilary - Page 8

On January 26 2007 14:59 Servolisk wrote:
Since TV is starting to deluge me with Hilary vs Obama, fairly often, I decided to make a thread. I know there is a limit to how far this discussion can go at this, with primaries a year away, but it's never too soon to start.

I really don't know a great deal about either (though that won't stop me from having a very strong, near fanatical opinion).

I like Obama, a lot. I don't know the details of his views on every issue at this point, but the way he speaks is appealing. In my vague memories of his speeches he sounded very intelligent. He doesn't sound like he speaks in a overly prepared cue card reader... he sounds like he does a lot of speaking off the top of his head on things he has thought hard about. And my assumption on this is somewhat confirmed when he is talking to someone live rather than giving a speech. Like this one time he was questioning Secretary Rice in congress, Condi was trying her hardest to dodge the question but Obama would not be derailed and was able to adapt his questions. This sort of thing seems typical of him.

I am excited by the idea of someone from his backround becoming President. (is backround supposed to be two words? the firefox spell check highlighted it) He could communicate to a lot of groups that have been left out, in the US and in the world. Half black, half white, internationally educated in Jakarta, went to Muslim and Catholic schools before going to excel at Harvard.

One thing I think everyone on the forum can appreciate is a very unique stance Obama has taken. A somewhat anti-babyboomer stance. "THE time has come, Senator Barack Obama says, for the baby boomers to get over themselves." Man, that is sweet to hear. '“Thank you, here’s your gold watch, it’s time for the personal style and political framework of the 1960’s to get out of the way,” said Eric Liu, 38, a speechwriter and policy aide in the Clinton White House who now runs a mentoring program in Seattle.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/weekinreview/21broder.html

Hilary, on the other hand, I dislike, more and more. First, I'm very turned off by the idea I get, that there has been some plan going on to capitalize on a low point for republicans to get Hilary back in, and that democrats like me are under the obligation to vote for her somehow. I would grudgingly vote for her if she is up against a typical Republican candidate.

What has Hilary done that is so great? She strikes me as a typical politician who just happens to have strong connections. I'm sick to death of talk about the Clinton connection. Like most democrats, thinking of the Clinton days sounds like heaven, compared to now, but that doesn't mean we have to vote for someone from the same family. I didn't like everything about Clinton and I wouldn't even vote for Bill Clinton over Obama if he could run again, at this point.

Hilary gives me the vibe that she takes the democratic, anti-Bush base, for granted.

Irrelevant as it may seem, one of my most vivid memories of Hilary is when she was speaking out against violence in video games. I don't remember the details, but it was apparent that she hadn't really thought through the issue and was just trying to make a concession to distressed mothers.

I'm optimistically hoping for being able to find some common ground with Excalibur_Z about disliking Hilary Excal, I hope you contribute to this thread and confirm my dislike with some dirt you have on her

On January 26 2007 14:59 Servolisk wrote:
Since TV is starting to deluge me with Hilary vs Obama, fairly often, I decided to make a thread. I know there is a limit to how far this discussion can go at this, with primaries a year away, but it's never too soon to start.

I really don't know a great deal about either (though that won't stop me from having a very strong, near fanatical opinion).

I like Obama, a lot. I don't know the details of his views on every issue at this point, but the way he speaks is appealing. In my vague memories of his speeches he sounded very intelligent. He doesn't sound like he speaks in a overly prepared cue card reader... he sounds like he does a lot of speaking off the top of his head on things he has thought hard about. And my assumption on this is somewhat confirmed when he is talking to someone live rather than giving a speech. Like this one time he was questioning Secretary Rice in congress, Condi was trying her hardest to dodge the question but Obama would not be derailed and was able to adapt his questions. This sort of thing seems typical of him.

I am excited by the idea of someone from his backround becoming President. (is backround supposed to be two words? the firefox spell check highlighted it) He could communicate to a lot of groups that have been left out, in the US and in the world. Half black, half white, internationally educated in Jakarta, went to Muslim and Catholic schools before going to excel at Harvard.

One thing I think everyone on the forum can appreciate is a very unique stance Obama has taken. A somewhat anti-babyboomer stance. "THE time has come, Senator Barack Obama says, for the baby boomers to get over themselves." Man, that is sweet to hear. '“Thank you, here’s your gold watch, it’s time for the personal style and political framework of the 1960’s to get out of the way,” said Eric Liu, 38, a speechwriter and policy aide in the Clinton White House who now runs a mentoring program in Seattle.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/weekinreview/21broder.html

Hilary, on the other hand, I dislike, more and more. First, I'm very turned off by the idea I get, that there has been some plan going on to capitalize on a low point for republicans to get Hilary back in, and that democrats like me are under the obligation to vote for her somehow. I would grudgingly vote for her if she is up against a typical Republican candidate.

What has Hilary done that is so great? She strikes me as a typical politician who just happens to have strong connections. I'm sick to death of talk about the Clinton connection. Like most democrats, thinking of the Clinton days sounds like heaven, compared to now, but that doesn't mean we have to vote for someone from the same family. I didn't like everything about Clinton and I wouldn't even vote for Bill Clinton over Obama if he could run again, at this point.

Hilary gives me the vibe that she takes the democratic, anti-Bush base, for granted.

Irrelevant as it may seem, one of my most vivid memories of Hilary is when she was speaking out against violence in video games. I don't remember the details, but it was apparent that she hadn't really thought through the issue and was just trying to make a concession to distressed mothers.

I'm optimistically hoping for being able to find some common ground with Excalibur_Z about disliking Hilary Excal, I hope you contribute to this thread and confirm my dislike with some dirt you have on her

On January 31 2007 13:23 MYM.Testie wrote:
Neither candidate can win. The south and middle states certainly aren't ready for it yet. Especially now that it's fox viewers have learned that the coloured man went to a muslim school.

On January 31 2007 13:23 MYM.Testie wrote:
Neither candidate can win. The south and middle states certainly aren't ready for it yet. Especially now that it's fox viewers have learned that the coloured man went to a muslim school.

On January 31 2007 13:49 j0ehoe wrote:
althought i could care less what what color/race my president is, i sincerely doubt that the rest of the country is ready for either of them or anyone that isnt a white male.

and the polls dont really say much. 1000 people (i only glanced at the first 3) is hardly a good sample size for a country of god knows how many million. plus, im not sure if the source of the poll indicates where they took respones from, but princeton is in nj, a bigtime lib state.

On January 31 2007 13:52 Mindcrime wrote:


Depending on how they chose who to poll, 1000 can be an adequate number.

On January 31 2007 13:57 j0ehoe wrote:


yea, it would depend on what youre trying to project. from the way you worded it, i thought it was as to the WHOLE nation's opinion. if youre talking about a state or portion of a state, then yea, it could be.