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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 02 2020 02:27 GMT
#1601
Happy Canada Day all!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17660 Posts
July 02 2020 04:41 GMT
#1602
Another Canada Day has come and gone. Here is the best Canadian Children's show ever. Kilometers better than Sesame Street.

"The Hilarious House of Frightenstein"


When this children's show was produced Canadian TV Stations had to have a certain minimum level of "Canadian Content" as mandated by the CRTC. The Nit-picking over what was and was not "Canadian TV" got so intense that SCTV introduced the "Great White North" show. They took shots at the CRTC at the end of the show on a regular basis.

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11564 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-02 06:17:03
July 02 2020 06:11 GMT
#1603
On July 02 2020 10:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Interesting. I just got invited to contribute to a "Cancel Canada Day" (relating it to Black liberation struggles) event for today. I let them know I didn't mind showing solidarity but wasn't really familiar with the situation. I appreciate the insight.

My outside impression (I did a little reading while I was waiting ) is that the "Cancel Canada Day" thing resembles more of Columbus Day/Indigenous People's day than the 4th of July/Juneteenth dynamic.

A day that's more about confronting the current/historical circumstances for Indigenous peoples and opposition to celebrating a "disneyfied" creation story than a day of significance for the Indigenous peoples themselves. Various tribes/bands in the US have varying relations with both state and federal governments and gives them different perspectives on Columbus Day/the treaties* and it appears there may be a similar thing at play there.

WEN is hilarious (in as much as it's appropriate for me to laugh anyway) btw

I'd say Indigenous Day is largely unknown- or at least at this point not such a large national event (yet).
Our 150th celebrations is where we suddenly had a large uptick of people saying we shouldn't celebrate it because it somehow denied that people didn't live here before. To my mind, people are free to not celebrate on Canada Day (hardly needs to be said, but there it is), but the notion that it somehow erases earlier history is a non-starter for me. For one, we are very diligent about teaching as much indigenous history as we know (and believe me, there's giant gaps of information, mostly it's cultural history pre-contact) and we take a big swing at teaching the Residential Schools in BC (usually Socials 10. I think there's been a switch, but it used to be Socials 9 was pre-contact and exploration and Socials 10 was pre-Confederation to pre WWI. But there's a push to include indigenous content absolutely everywhere in every subject.) And now there is Orange Shirt day in remembrance of the Residential Schools. We've got quite a bit going on.

So no Canadian ought to come out of our school system thinking 1867 is when everything began, but it's quite clear that there was a time before there was a political entity called the Dominion of Canada and a time afterwards, and so July 1st celebrates the time it came to be. To say we shouldn't or we should cancel. . .well, I suppose no country ever should celebrate their founding because every country has something dark in their past? I don't know. To me something like Canada Day is the aspirational part of what of what we represent and hope to be. For the rest of the year, my day job is to teach the good, the bad, and the ugly of Canadian history. (Well, right now Ancient and Middle Ages history- but I taught my fair share of Canadian history too.)
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 02 2020 18:48 GMT
#1604
Happy Canada Day

Ukraine with the memes
© Current year.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17660 Posts
July 03 2020 04:43 GMT
#1605
On July 02 2020 07:46 JimmiC wrote:
Hello fellow Hoser's raise your glasses of Caesars

i'm not sure hoser and hosehead were ever authentic derogatory terms used in Ontario or Quebec or the Maritimes. Not sure about the rest of Canada though. I'm not sure where Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis got those terms.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17660 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 16:17:50
July 03 2020 16:06 GMT
#1606
New help wanted signs have sprung up all over mississauga and etobicoke. i'm thinking the article below provides some insight into a factor contributing to this.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/cerb-poses-back-to-work-dilemma-were-being-incentivized-to-make-just-under-dollar1000/ar-BB16i1Wj?li=AAggNb9&ocid=HandyCafe

My dentist , who is in mississauga, is having trouble getting some of his staff to come back and work a full time work week.

EDIT: just talk to him now. He is also hiring.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 17 2020 20:14 GMT
#1607
Can someone help confirm if this is real? Because its blowing my fucking mind in the worst possible way. I just can't fathom a world where this garbage isn't a fucking unfunny Onion article.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/graffiti-on-monument-commemorating-nazi-ss-division-being-investigated-as-a-hate-crime-by-police/wcm/957b5e7e-e26f-46f0-92a4-6e26842dbd23/

This can't be real right? A fucking NAZI MONUMENT not only existed in Canada undisturbed 'til now, but spraypainting it is being investigated as a HATE CRIME? Ukrainian Nazis or fucking not, they were Nazis and this shit is an affront.

I am so tired to waking up and seeing shit like this every god damned day.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 17 2020 20:51 GMT
#1608
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JohnDelaney
Profile Joined November 2019
Ireland73 Posts
July 17 2020 21:32 GMT
#1609
It's not surprising to me. Canada is known for having a large Ukrainian population, and they kind of keep hush about a small section of the group that emigrated following WWII that had a Nazi collaboration past. Their current foreign affairs minister and deputy prime minister Chrystia Freeland had a grandfather that was basically a Nazi whom she refuses disavow and instead deflects whenever asked and goes on a rant claiming Russia made that up. So instead of owning up to the past like the Germans did with denazification and reparations they pretend it never happened.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 17 2020 22:23 GMT
#1610
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JohnDelaney
Profile Joined November 2019
Ireland73 Posts
July 17 2020 22:46 GMT
#1611
On July 18 2020 07:23 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 06:32 JohnDelaney wrote:
It's not surprising to me. Canada is known for having a large Ukrainian population, and they kind of keep hush about a small section of the group that emigrated following WWII that had a Nazi collaboration past. Their current foreign affairs minister and deputy prime minister Chrystia Freeland had a grandfather that was basically a Nazi whom she refuses disavow and instead deflects whenever asked and goes on a rant claiming Russia made that up. So instead of owning up to the past like the Germans did with denazification and reparations they pretend it never happened.

If by they you mean Canadians no we do not.

I don't mean Canadians. You have a strange habit of strawmanning all my posts.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 17 2020 22:58 GMT
#1612
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JohnDelaney
Profile Joined November 2019
Ireland73 Posts
July 17 2020 23:12 GMT
#1613
I will generalize one thing about upper-class Canadians who pretend they're liberal and enlightened. What you're doing is exactly the political tactic that is successful in keeping hush about a small section of an immigration population (like Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland's grandfather, whom she refuses to disavow) that engaged in Nazi collaboration during WWII. If anyone brings up this sordid past, someone like you comes along and you immediately accuses that person of being racist and "horribly ignorant" against all Canadians or some variant of this. The conversation is then shut down, no one's allowed to discuss this any further, and I get banned from this forum because a mod decides this discussion is somehow too controversial. It's exactly like with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict where if you point out an injustice committed by one side, that side calls you anti-Semitic, and anti-Arab if vice versa.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 18 2020 00:17 GMT
#1614
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JohnDelaney
Profile Joined November 2019
Ireland73 Posts
July 18 2020 00:29 GMT
#1615
You're right. I am wrong for speaking out against Nazi collaborators who emigrated to Canada and continue to have memorials of them in Ontario. I am wrong for demanding your Deputy Prime Minister to once and for all at the very least disavow her grandfather's role in being the chief editor of a Nazi newspaper. I apologize for these actions. I am clearly some nefarious person who is prejudiced against all Canadians because according to your words I have "zero proof and less knowledge" and that if the Canadian government apologized about residential schools of Natives, then I should not speak out against Nazi collaborators and grandchildren who whitewash their roles.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 18 2020 00:47 GMT
#1616
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JohnDelaney
Profile Joined November 2019
Ireland73 Posts
July 18 2020 01:55 GMT
#1617
Ideally the descendants of Nazi collaborators should disavow this past, demand the memorials (or "fancy tombstones" as you prefer to call them) to be taken down, and speak out against rising neo-Nazism around the world (such as the Azov Battalion in Ukraine).

Literally all Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland would need to do is make a short speech disavowing her grandfather's editorship in the Nazi newspaper and say that she speaks for all Ukrainian-Canadians that they oppose Nazism and disavow all past collaboration especially for those who immigrated to Canada after WWII. That would show real leadership. Not this cheap deflection that Russia is making up stuff about her grandfather. She is not owning up to her grandfather's past.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17660 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-25 15:00:36
July 25 2020 14:48 GMT
#1618
I complimented the Toronto Police Service for their great job in dealing with the 3+ weeks of street parties and celebrations. After game 7 against the 76ers was also a giant long all night party. The Toronto Police force did a great job that night as well. It was very difficult to draw the line between 'raucous celebration" and "violent vandalism". That said, the Toronto Police Force successfully walked that tightrope for 3+ weeks.

The Toronto Police Chief was Mark Saunders during the 2019 Raptors playoffs run. He is 57 years old and still the Police Chief. He announced his retirement and will be stepping down in the near future. The Toronto Police and their leadership do a great job. However, they are not perfect. The Toronto Police receive a deluge of undue harsh criticism. This puts the force in many "can't win" situations. If this contributed to Mark Saunders decision to step down... that is a sad day for the city of Toronto.



I have some more evidence of Mark Saunders great leadership...

"we're looking for guardians not warriors" ...what a great fucking quote. I don't know if its up there with "just watch me" .. but its a great line.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/looking-for-guardians-not-warriors-qanda-with-toronto-police-chief-mark-saunders/ar-BB17aHXy?li=AAggFp5&ocid=HandyCafe&fbclid=IwAR0esFi7hVP2TLOKb1_wltp9sN3lf1xhUbwMvQ-Z30-mxh4BYsUwf9SasJo

I'd like to see Mark Saunders get into politics. This guy is a great leader.

Considering that we've got a teacher who couldn't handle the worst engineering school in canada and a guy who was almost an insurance agent at the top of our political system... I'd say if Mark Saunders successfully navigated 1 year of law school he'd be more qualified than either of those two clowns to be PM.

if Mark Saunders runs for any kind of political office whatsoever.... I'm volunteering to help.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17660 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-04 15:27:57
August 04 2020 15:24 GMT
#1619
Commuting into Toronto today I tuned my radio to "SportsNet 590 The Fan". Advertising for job openings is now on broadcast airway radio. It was not a company owned or affiliated with Rogers Communications. WOW Man. Not only are there help wanted signs absolutely every where. They are begging for people to work in radio ads.

Its nice to see this level of opportunity in my favourite city in the whole wide world. Congratz to John Tory, Doug Ford, and << BIG GULP>> Justin Trudeau. Our leaders deserve some credit for this. I'd say John Tory is , by far, the best of these 3 guys.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
August 04 2020 21:51 GMT
#1620
On July 25 2020 23:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I'd like to see Mark Saunders get into politics. This guy is a great leader.

Considering that we've got a teacher who couldn't handle the worst engineering school in canada and a guy who was almost an insurance agent at the top of our political system... I'd say if Mark Saunders successfully navigated 1 year of law school he'd be more qualified than either of those two clowns to be PM.

if Mark Saunders runs for any kind of political office whatsoever.... I'm volunteering to help.


It is interesting that we have some really unqualified candidates at the Liberal and Conservative camps right now. I'm hoping that the various parties start trying to field more qualified individuals before they lose people's faith, and kind of sabotage voter turnouts because of it. Nothing made me more apathetic towards a federal election than the last selection of candidates. Nobody seemed to really be a person I'd trust with making decisions on a national level, besides maybe Jagmeet Singh who was at least in the legal system as a defense lawyer prior to his political career.

If Saunders did decide to run for MP I'd be more interested in it if he actually went to law school, which I'm sure he'd do fine in. He's done a reasonable job all things considered. There's criticism to be had certainly, as is the case with any law enforcement agency, but the viewpoint that you're not looking for people to fight citizens, and rather try to protect them, is a core idea that probably helps stop Toronto's officers from becoming totally like the ones down south. Hopefully his replacement also keeps that in mind going forward.
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