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BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
"The Hilarious House of Frightenstein" When this children's show was produced Canadian TV Stations had to have a certain minimum level of "Canadian Content" as mandated by the CRTC. The Nit-picking over what was and was not "Canadian TV" got so intense that SCTV introduced the "Great White North" show. They took shots at the CRTC at the end of the show on a regular basis. | ||
Falling
Canada10904 Posts
On July 02 2020 10:04 GreenHorizons wrote: Interesting. I just got invited to contribute to a "Cancel Canada Day" (relating it to Black liberation struggles) event for today. I let them know I didn't mind showing solidarity but wasn't really familiar with the situation. I appreciate the insight. My outside impression (I did a little reading while I was waiting ) is that the "Cancel Canada Day" thing resembles more of Columbus Day/Indigenous People's day than the 4th of July/Juneteenth dynamic. A day that's more about confronting the current/historical circumstances for Indigenous peoples and opposition to celebrating a "disneyfied" creation story than a day of significance for the Indigenous peoples themselves. Various tribes/bands in the US have varying relations with both state and federal governments and gives them different perspectives on Columbus Day/the treaties* and it appears there may be a similar thing at play there. WEN is hilarious (in as much as it's appropriate for me to laugh anyway) btw I'd say Indigenous Day is largely unknown- or at least at this point not such a large national event (yet). Our 150th celebrations is where we suddenly had a large uptick of people saying we shouldn't celebrate it because it somehow denied that people didn't live here before. To my mind, people are free to not celebrate on Canada Day (hardly needs to be said, but there it is), but the notion that it somehow erases earlier history is a non-starter for me. For one, we are very diligent about teaching as much indigenous history as we know (and believe me, there's giant gaps of information, mostly it's cultural history pre-contact) and we take a big swing at teaching the Residential Schools in BC (usually Socials 10. I think there's been a switch, but it used to be Socials 9 was pre-contact and exploration and Socials 10 was pre-Confederation to pre WWI. But there's a push to include indigenous content absolutely everywhere in every subject.) And now there is Orange Shirt day in remembrance of the Residential Schools. We've got quite a bit going on. So no Canadian ought to come out of our school system thinking 1867 is when everything began, but it's quite clear that there was a time before there was a political entity called the Dominion of Canada and a time afterwards, and so July 1st celebrates the time it came to be. To say we shouldn't or we should cancel. . .well, I suppose no country ever should celebrate their founding because every country has something dark in their past? I don't know. To me something like Canada Day is the aspirational part of what of what we represent and hope to be. For the rest of the year, my day job is to teach the good, the bad, and the ugly of Canadian history. (Well, right now Ancient and Middle Ages history- but I taught my fair share of Canadian history too.) | ||
CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
Ukraine with the memes | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
On July 02 2020 07:46 JimmiC wrote: Hello fellow Hoser's raise your glasses of Caesars i'm not sure hoser and hosehead were ever authentic derogatory terms used in Ontario or Quebec or the Maritimes. Not sure about the rest of Canada though. I'm not sure where Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis got those terms. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/cerb-poses-back-to-work-dilemma-were-being-incentivized-to-make-just-under-dollar1000/ar-BB16i1Wj?li=AAggNb9&ocid=HandyCafe My dentist , who is in mississauga, is having trouble getting some of his staff to come back and work a full time work week. EDIT: just talk to him now. He is also hiring. | ||
Zambrah
United States6831 Posts
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/graffiti-on-monument-commemorating-nazi-ss-division-being-investigated-as-a-hate-crime-by-police/wcm/957b5e7e-e26f-46f0-92a4-6e26842dbd23/ This can't be real right? A fucking NAZI MONUMENT not only existed in Canada undisturbed 'til now, but spraypainting it is being investigated as a HATE CRIME? Ukrainian Nazis or fucking not, they were Nazis and this shit is an affront. I am so tired to waking up and seeing shit like this every god damned day. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22796 Posts
On July 18 2020 05:14 Zambrah wrote: Can someone help confirm if this is real? Because its blowing my fucking mind in the worst possible way. I just can't fathom a world where this garbage isn't a fucking unfunny Onion article. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/graffiti-on-monument-commemorating-nazi-ss-division-being-investigated-as-a-hate-crime-by-police/wcm/957b5e7e-e26f-46f0-92a4-6e26842dbd23/ This can't be real right? A fucking NAZI MONUMENT not only existed in Canada undisturbed 'til now, but spraypainting it is being investigated as a HATE CRIME? Ukrainian Nazis or fucking not, they were Nazis and this shit is an affront. I am so tired to waking up and seeing shit like this every god damned day. It looks legit, though I live no where close to Ottawa. But when they say "monument" it is not like a statue paid for by the government for people to go see. It is the kind that some individual bought in a cemetery, the kind of things rich people buy to try to get remembered after death basically a big fancy tombstone. We have no laws against Nazi symbols here (I think only Germany does), so there is really no way to stop a private citizen from putting them on there tombstone It was promising that so many people were saying it was not a hate crime, though disturbing that the police were talking like it was. | ||
JohnDelaney
Ireland73 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22796 Posts
On July 18 2020 06:32 JohnDelaney wrote: It's not surprising to me. Canada is known for having a large Ukrainian population, and they kind of keep hush about a small section of the group that emigrated following WWII that had a Nazi collaboration past. Their current foreign affairs minister and deputy prime minister Chrystia Freeland had a grandfather that was basically a Nazi whom she refuses disavow and instead deflects whenever asked and goes on a rant claiming Russia made that up. So instead of owning up to the past like the Germans did with denazification and reparations they pretend it never happened. If by they you mean Canadians no we do not. What one canadian does, is not what all do. That is some seriously bad generalization to put on an entire country. And as I posted that "monument" is a glorified grave stone someone bought and put at the cemetery. What a horribly ignorant post. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
JohnDelaney
Ireland73 Posts
I don't mean Canadians. You have a strange habit of strawmanning all my posts. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22796 Posts
On July 18 2020 07:46 JohnDelaney wrote: I don't mean Canadians. You have a strange habit of strawmanning all my posts. Who do you mean with the "they"? Ukrainian Canadians? It would also be incredibly untrue since most came to Canada to escape the Nazis and most settled in the prairies not Ottawa. It is not strawmanning when I ask, it is now up to you to say who the "they" is that are "pretending it didn't happen". What it is, is holding you accountable for making broad, offensive and imnacurate statements. | ||
JohnDelaney
Ireland73 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22796 Posts
On July 18 2020 08:12 JohnDelaney wrote: I will generalize one thing about upper-class Canadians who pretend they're liberal and enlightened. What you're doing is exactly the political tactic that is successful in keeping hush about a small section of an immigration population (like Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland's grandfather, whom she refuses to disavow) that engaged in Nazi collaboration during WWII. If anyone brings up this sordid past, someone like you comes along and you immediately accuses that person of being racist and "horribly ignorant" against all Canadians or some variant of this. The conversation is then shut down, no one's allowed to discuss this any further, and I get banned from this forum because a mod decides this discussion is somehow too controversial. It's exactly like with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict where if you point out an injustice committed by one side, that side calls you anti-Semitic, and anti-Arab if vice versa. Nope that is not true, I don't know where you are really from, or what your original name was here on TL, but this is a bunch of bullshit generalizations. Thank you for admitting your a PBU, but it was pretty obvious anyway. Do we have people that have done the above, most certainly. Is it part of our culture? No it is not. It might have been in the past (like over 30 years ago) But now when we have a national embarrassment, like the residential schools for aboriginals or the MS. St Louis. We don't pretend like it did not happen, we teach it in our history classes (social studies is what we call here) to make sure it does not happen again. And for the case of the residential schools and some of the other awful things we have done to the indigenous we have entered into a massive reconciliation. Are we perfect? No, not even close. But is anything that you are saying true? Hell no. You probably got banned in the past for making these types of ignorant generalizations with zero proof and less knowledge. So I ask you again, who is the they? Stop dodging and trying to put this on me and person up on your claim. Or admit that you were talking out your ass. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/government-apology-to-former-students-of-indian-residential-schools?gclid=CjwKCAjwmMX4BRAAEiwA-zM4JtF1WQr-Lb6q2s4-uFcHNEuRrKXOn2BhMXg8OAnnZFRHI7fhUfIywxoClQcQAvD_BwE https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/ms-st-louis?gclid=CjwKCAjwmMX4BRAAEiwA-zM4JtMqmYreh19zqybzCSJmWro6r1TyX-QxItTVvavok4jmGSuw3xge5xoC128QAvD_BwE | ||
JohnDelaney
Ireland73 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22796 Posts
On July 18 2020 09:29 JohnDelaney wrote: You're right. I am wrong for speaking out against Nazi collaborators who emigrated to Canada and continue to have memorials of them in Ontario. I am wrong for demanding your Deputy Prime Minister to once and for all at the very least disavow her grandfather's role in being the chief editor of a Nazi newspaper. I apologize for these actions. I am clearly some nefarious person who is prejudiced against all Canadians because according to your words I have "zero proof and less knowledge" and that if the Canadian government apologized about residential schools of Natives, then I should not speak out against Nazi collaborators and grandchildren who whitewash their roles. Sweet strawmanning mate, and you continue to dodge my question. I think it is pretty clear that you are just full of shit. No had your said "the deputy prime minster should disavow her Grand fathers Nazi connections" I would have agreed with you. ' But instead you said "So instead of owning up to the past like the Germans did with denazification and reparations they pretend it never happened." And since then I have been trying to ask you who the they is but you keep moving the goal posts and pretending like your some kind of victim instead of standing behind what you said or admitting you were wrong. And we don't have memorials for Nazi's on Ontario. We have a fancy tombstone in a cemetery. And I can confidently say that the vast majority of us wish they would take that away and smash it. But there is a freedom of speech crowd that thinks that people should be able to say what they want regardless of its historical awfulness and of course there are also some white supremacists who still support what the Nazi's stand for. I'm glad that it is a super small % and that when people like Faith Gouldy run for mayor she gets less than 3% of the vote (I wish it was 0, but yes we have some assholes too). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_Goldy So are you going to continue to play victim and strawman up a storm? Or are you going to finally say who you meant by "they" in the above quote. It really shouldn't be a hard question to answer, that you can't and are making this large dance says a lot about you. It is probably why you are a PBU. | ||
JohnDelaney
Ireland73 Posts
Literally all Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland would need to do is make a short speech disavowing her grandfather's editorship in the Nazi newspaper and say that she speaks for all Ukrainian-Canadians that they oppose Nazism and disavow all past collaboration especially for those who immigrated to Canada after WWII. That would show real leadership. Not this cheap deflection that Russia is making up stuff about her grandfather. She is not owning up to her grandfather's past. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
The Toronto Police Chief was Mark Saunders during the 2019 Raptors playoffs run. He is 57 years old and still the Police Chief. He announced his retirement and will be stepping down in the near future. The Toronto Police and their leadership do a great job. However, they are not perfect. The Toronto Police receive a deluge of undue harsh criticism. This puts the force in many "can't win" situations. If this contributed to Mark Saunders decision to step down... that is a sad day for the city of Toronto. I have some more evidence of Mark Saunders great leadership... "we're looking for guardians not warriors" ...what a great fucking quote. I don't know if its up there with "just watch me" .. but its a great line. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/looking-for-guardians-not-warriors-qanda-with-toronto-police-chief-mark-saunders/ar-BB17aHXy?li=AAggFp5&ocid=HandyCafe&fbclid=IwAR0esFi7hVP2TLOKb1_wltp9sN3lf1xhUbwMvQ-Z30-mxh4BYsUwf9SasJo I'd like to see Mark Saunders get into politics. This guy is a great leader. Considering that we've got a teacher who couldn't handle the worst engineering school in canada and a guy who was almost an insurance agent at the top of our political system... I'd say if Mark Saunders successfully navigated 1 year of law school he'd be more qualified than either of those two clowns to be PM. if Mark Saunders runs for any kind of political office whatsoever.... I'm volunteering to help. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
Its nice to see this level of opportunity in my favourite city in the whole wide world. Congratz to John Tory, Doug Ford, and << BIG GULP>> Justin Trudeau. Our leaders deserve some credit for this. I'd say John Tory is , by far, the best of these 3 guys. | ||
goiflin
Canada1217 Posts
On July 25 2020 23:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I'd like to see Mark Saunders get into politics. This guy is a great leader. Considering that we've got a teacher who couldn't handle the worst engineering school in canada and a guy who was almost an insurance agent at the top of our political system... I'd say if Mark Saunders successfully navigated 1 year of law school he'd be more qualified than either of those two clowns to be PM. if Mark Saunders runs for any kind of political office whatsoever.... I'm volunteering to help. It is interesting that we have some really unqualified candidates at the Liberal and Conservative camps right now. I'm hoping that the various parties start trying to field more qualified individuals before they lose people's faith, and kind of sabotage voter turnouts because of it. Nothing made me more apathetic towards a federal election than the last selection of candidates. Nobody seemed to really be a person I'd trust with making decisions on a national level, besides maybe Jagmeet Singh who was at least in the legal system as a defense lawyer prior to his political career. If Saunders did decide to run for MP I'd be more interested in it if he actually went to law school, which I'm sure he'd do fine in. He's done a reasonable job all things considered. There's criticism to be had certainly, as is the case with any law enforcement agency, but the viewpoint that you're not looking for people to fight citizens, and rather try to protect them, is a core idea that probably helps stop Toronto's officers from becoming totally like the ones down south. Hopefully his replacement also keeps that in mind going forward. | ||
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