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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
August 31 2016 15:49 GMT
#741
Underground economy? Enlighten me plz.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-31 16:18:05
August 31 2016 16:11 GMT
#742
this is the tip of the iceberg.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/07/27/workplace-violations-widespread-in-ontario-government-report-says.html

since 2000 i know of 1 LAN cafe in Toronto that paid real minimum wage to its employees and made correct contributions to CPP. the "electric bean" at yonge and eglinton. more than half the criminals and scumbags i hung out with in high school are on some form of welfare or EI while working under the table. roofing for cash was the big thing for them this summer.

every employer i had in high school engaged in some form of wage theft. gas stations were a big fan of removing cash register shortages from your pay. the kinkos assistant manager guy altered timecards. a component of Video99 pay was free game rentals. my solution was to rob these places blind so i'm not whining by any means.

basic employment laws are not being followed.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
August 31 2016 17:04 GMT
#743
Ah, that's what I had guessed to a degree. Within the last year I'd learned that a lot of shops / supermarkets etc in Markham do not pay their workers minimum wage even and it's rampant among the Asian shop owners here.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-31 17:50:45
August 31 2016 17:35 GMT
#744
and WSIB lies to avoid payment. why bother getting a legit construction job when you are unprotected against injuries? so most guys i know who do the construction thing ... work under the table.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/07/10/wsib-stands-by-use-of-paper-doctors-after-calls-for-ombudsman-probe.html

one of my customers is a private insurer (~50 employees ) offering extended disability and medical benefits. they are reliable and honest. private insurance is the only way to go and you at least have a fighting chance of getting benefits you deserve. you have to keep the DRs and the Insurers separated or even in conflicting roles to get any form of correct outcomes.

Once the DRs start working directly for the insurers ..its gg no re.

Disclaimer: none of this impacts me. i make database software and custom add-ons for a medical CRM. most of my customers are in New York.. and the New York economy is booming. God Bless America.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
August 31 2016 20:50 GMT
#745
I'm not sure how minimum wage works in a lot of countries, but on the surface, I really like the UK system.

https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

Having a sliding scale based on age, where minimum wage is separated into <18, 18-20, 21-24, and 25+. My girlfriend received a job at one of the big four, essentially a dream job for a career focused accountant, and she starts at a couple grand above $40,000/year. Now this is a salary job, where realistically she'll be working 50-60 hours a week, dedicating almost everything to her job... And only getting paid $21-$22/hr IF she worked 40 hours a weeks.

Now the NDP has some vision of raising minimum wage here to $15/hr... To me it's absolutely insane. Someone with a four year degree, getting one of the best accounting jobs, dedicating most of her life to work with make an hourly wage 30-40% higher than someone in Grade 9-10 (15~y/o), with absolutely no work experience, no responsibility, and a person with the fuck work fuck society mentality... In simple terms, it's fucking insane.

So in that sense, I'd be a lot more supportive of a system where <18 have a minimum wage of say around $8-$9, and it'd go up to say $13-$14 for the highest category at around 25. When you just graduate, it can be really difficult to find anything in a new field relevant to your degree (as I'm finding right now), so a lower wage for apprenticing and that sort would really help people get their foot in the door, instead of discouraging so many workers, or them ending up doing things they don't like, like some of my friends working at BestBuy after graduating from Engineering.

Also, I am the most anti-union person on the planet (well maybe not), they are seriously such awful awful things. You're either in the club, or you're not, and it becomes a distinction of haves and have-nots. Whenever there's any economic fluctuation, the private market that isn't unionized takes 95% of the brunt of the swing, and then we will have teachers starting at 50% higher salaries than engineers, and even more for accountant, and starting at same salaries as bus drivers, again, fucking insane.

Not only that, but what it creates is little incentive to improve the workplace policy standards, health and safety standards, etc... Since the only ones that they apply to are the people with low paying jobs who don't have access to these benefits. Instead, there should be a universal system applied to everyone, and not making it that oh... Massive recession, lets freeze doctor and teacher salary for 1-2 years, but instead, have massive and massive layoffs and cuts to pay, just like how almost every company related to oil and gas here had after the oil price drop, and every company working as a contractor for them (where 50%+ of private companies in Alberta are in some way, usually fairly significant way related to oil and gas). And then 40% of companies in Alberta are only able to exist being oil and gas exists (rest is agriculture).
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-31 23:00:23
August 31 2016 22:43 GMT
#746
the sliding scale idea looks like something worth exploring.

On September 01 2016 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Also, I am the most anti-union person on the planet (well maybe not), they are seriously such awful awful things.

i'm neither anti-union nor pro-union. the freedom to set up a union must be protected by law.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
August 31 2016 23:26 GMT
#747
Canada's economy shrinks 1.6% in 2nd quarter, worst since 2009 financial crisis

Canada's economy shrank in the second quarter as it dealt with the fallout from weak exports and this spring's devastating wildfires in northern Alberta, Statistics Canada confirmed today.

On an annualized basis, the economy shrank by 1.6 per cent in the second quarter — the largest quarterly decline in gross domestic product since the second quarter of 2009, when the country was in the throes of the financial crisis.

The contraction in the second quarter followed annualized growth of 2.5 per cent in the first quarter — revised higher from an initial reading of 2.4 per cent.

Statistics Canada left no doubt about the main reason for the contraction in the April-to-June quarter. In large part, it blamed a 4.5 per cent drop in exports — especially energy products — as the Alberta fires caused many oilsands operations to curtail production in May.

The agency said that excluding the large drop in crude oil output, the country's GDP would have increased by 0.1 per cent (0.4 per cent annualized).

Real GDP rose by a better than expected 0.6 per cent in June as oilsands production resumed following the shutdowns and mass evacuation caused by the wildfires. But analysts pointed out that the growth wasn't just due to resource strength.

"The best news [in the GDP report] was that June GDP rebounded ... and less than half of that [growth] came from the rebound in mining/oil/gas, as manufacturing also had a healthy gain," CIBC chief economist Avery Shenfeld said in a commentary.

"All told, a quarter we will like to forget, and for the next few months, a more supportive Q3 will help us do just that," he wrote.

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wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
September 01 2016 01:47 GMT
#748
On September 01 2016 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:

Now the NDP has some vision of raising minimum wage here to $15/hr... To me it's absolutely insane. Someone with a four year degree, getting one of the best accounting jobs, dedicating most of her life to work with make an hourly wage 30-40% higher than someone in Grade 9-10 (15~y/o), with absolutely no work experience, no responsibility, and a person with the fuck work fuck society mentality... In simple terms, it's fucking insane.



It's really tiring to hear the same stupid imaginary scenario where you picture a minimum wage worker as a spoiled 16 year old white kid living with his rich parents who doesn't give a fuck about his job. Why not picture a single mother working 2 or 3 jobs just so she can support her kid?

Instead of being mad at the person working the minimum wage job who gets $15, why not be mad at your girlfriend's employer for paying her far less than she's worth? All of your hatred and arguments stem from what's being observed on the surface of a situation.

I'm sorry but even the 15 year old kid who flips burgers has some responsibility as crazy as it sounds and paying them even less is not going to solve any of the problems.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 02:06:14
September 01 2016 02:01 GMT
#749
On September 01 2016 10:47 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:

Now the NDP has some vision of raising minimum wage here to $15/hr... To me it's absolutely insane. Someone with a four year degree, getting one of the best accounting jobs, dedicating most of her life to work with make an hourly wage 30-40% higher than someone in Grade 9-10 (15~y/o), with absolutely no work experience, no responsibility, and a person with the fuck work fuck society mentality... In simple terms, it's fucking insane.



It's really tiring to hear the same stupid imaginary scenario where you picture a minimum wage worker as a spoiled 16 year old white kid living with his rich parents who doesn't give a fuck about his job. Why not picture a single mother working 2 or 3 jobs just so she can support her kid?

Instead of being mad at the person working the minimum wage job who gets $15, why not be mad at your girlfriend's employer for paying her far less than she's worth? All of your hatred and arguments stem from what's being observed on the surface of a situation.

I'm sorry but even the 15 year old kid who flips burgers has some responsibility as crazy as it sounds and paying them even less is not going to solve any of the problems.


the way employment laws are enforced in Ontario the minimum wage is just a dream
and as Hazel Mccallion stated on numerous occasions... if u can't afford 'em don't have 'em.

the best way to improve quality of life is improve the entire economy so that a high percentage of people are not even worried about some artificial unenforceable minimum wage.

the minimum wage laws in Ontario are more fake than the WWE.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
September 01 2016 05:05 GMT
#750
What are "the minimum wage" laws in Ontario? I'm seeing the $11.25 figure. How astronomical.

I'd be surprised if Ontarian employers were more sketchy than Quebec's employers and yet I'm unaware of any instance of widespread wage theft in Quebec outside of construction workers. Construction in Quebec is so fucking corrupt it's not even funny. On top of the collusion scandals the fucking union doesn't do shit. Your boss wants you to spend 1 hour loading up the truck without pay every day? Union don't care, even though dealing with that type of bullshit is supposed to be the union's primary function. For all the good it did initially the FTQ is a god damn abomination now.

But besides that if you want to make $10.55 and barely be able to afford a suburban rent, McDonalds will pretty reliably pay. I assume some industries are shit but for the most part it's not a huge issue, and the businesses which are down to the wire because paying minimum wages is too expensive probably suck at being profitable in general.

I don't know that $15/hr is good, seems a bit high, but having a reasonable minimum wage is fine. And if employers do illegal shit, that's a separate issue.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 19:19:32
September 01 2016 19:17 GMT
#751
On September 01 2016 10:47 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:

Now the NDP has some vision of raising minimum wage here to $15/hr... To me it's absolutely insane. Someone with a four year degree, getting one of the best accounting jobs, dedicating most of her life to work with make an hourly wage 30-40% higher than someone in Grade 9-10 (15~y/o), with absolutely no work experience, no responsibility, and a person with the fuck work fuck society mentality... In simple terms, it's fucking insane.



It's really tiring to hear the same stupid imaginary scenario where you picture a minimum wage worker as a spoiled 16 year old white kid living with his rich parents who doesn't give a fuck about his job. Why not picture a single mother working 2 or 3 jobs just so she can support her kid?

Instead of being mad at the person working the minimum wage job who gets $15, why not be mad at your girlfriend's employer for paying her far less than she's worth? All of your hatred and arguments stem from what's being observed on the surface of a situation.

I'm sorry but even the 15 year old kid who flips burgers has some responsibility as crazy as it sounds and paying them even less is not going to solve any of the problems.


You're not understanding me correctly.

Paying $21-$22 for a new grad accountant, fine, so be it. It's a fair market value, as they have very unspecialized skills, there's a lot of them, etc. Looking at their revenues, number of employees, and so forth, I think it's a reasonable wage.

I worked in fast food, started as cashier and I became head supervisor eventually, and the 15 year old kid that shows up hungover is not an unrealistic situation. Reality is that a large percentage of this high school kids that I interviewed did not care much for doing a good job, having respect for you, etc. It was just either their parents getting them to do it, or they just wanted some money, and it showed. When I was working, the economy was doing very well with the oil and gas, so minimum wage hired a manageable quality, and raises were for the better few. Now the situation is way different, I could pay people 2/3rds of as much as before, and we'd have just as many line up at the door, but now I have to pay them 1/3rd more in real terms as well?

Reality is that 20% of the potential workforce is 15-24 year olds, and out of those people, a good percentage of those people wont be hard workers. Lets say 30% of them are not good, so either you have them work their value and improve as workers by paying them less, or you're going to have a 30% unemployment rate in this age group. We don't want to have 30% unemployment, so no, you have to hire them. The end result is that some of these people don't deserve this money at all, but the law dictates that you must pay then $15/h, or 70% of what you're paying an accountant who went to school, does nothing but focus on her career, and works 50-60 hours a week.

People have this silly perspective that x is a fair minimum wage, and the rest will work itself out. But corporations aren't getting 70% profit from their revenue, it's not like you can just magically raise wages without any consequences by cutting into company profit. People discuss it, as if companies are these evil beasts that just hoard all their money, and any wage raise will be 90% absorbed by the profits of the owners. In reality, we bear 95%+ of the cost.

So yes, disconnect yourself from what "livable wage" means, and just look at the companies around you, paying $15/h is a big cost, that greatly changes how a company does business.

I addressed the mom issue, by having a sliding minimum wage based on age, and I support the current legislation here in Alberta, where if a woman goes on maternity leave, she will get her job back when she comes back, etc. I'm just all about doing it on merit, and more importantly, with equal rules applied for all. I also believe in a child tax benefit, but besides that, I don't see how the issue of the spoiled kid and single mom is that different. If the mom works hard, as she has plenty of incentive, she will outperform most workers, and receive raises and promotions. For reference, at the first fast food place I worked at, my assistant manager made $45,000 a year, and my manager made 25% of the profit, which ended up being around $85,000 a year. These figures show that it's not minimum wage controlling these things. Secondly, by enforcing labour laws more, which will be implicitly done once the stranglehold and the biggest divisiveness in society is weakened, which are unions... Because the basic government laws will be the ones applied to everyone, and not special ones for the more privileged, and unenforced ones for the regular retail employee. I never said anything about it, but in 5 of my 6 employments before graduating university, they broke some laws, from not giving breaks, not paying overtime, not hiring certain races of employees, making you pay for what you broke, among some.

That's why unions are awful, because nobody would ever pay a teacher $66,000/year starting salary, a private company would never pay their bus drivers $25/hour starting, a cardiologist wouldn't be paid $400,000/year (yes, I know in US it can be far more)... Point is, some jobs have the government or regulatory bodies control them, where everyone is automatically in a union, and they are simply put stealing from the non-unionized or no-government-help workers.

The $15 minimum wage is in Alberta, currently being raised in predictable fashion since early 2015 until it's at $15 in 2018
http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/06/30/rachel-notleys-alberta-ndp-proudly-rolls-out-details-of-15hr-minimum-wage-plan-despite-loud-opposition

BC NDP plans to do the same if elected. I figure it's wiser to make my position heard before it happens, as then change is hard, but it's in progress as we speak anyway.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-01 19:14:03
November 01 2016 19:02 GMT
#752
Paul Bernardo to get a day parole hearing.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/families-of-bernardo-victims-devastated-as-day-parole-hearing-set-1.3140852?autoPlay=true

i hope it is denied, however, i'm glad he is being given the opportunity to have his voice heard.

The PC "hard on crime" BS is the main reason i did not vote for Harper.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-01 23:17:07
November 01 2016 23:14 GMT
#753
Yuck. As much as I support the idea of rehabilitation, but what he did is absolutely disgusting.....
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 00:15:25
November 02 2016 00:07 GMT
#754
Karla has been out since 2004. She has a family that includes 3 kids.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-17 23:33:46
November 17 2016 23:31 GMT
#755
like i've said and has been reported umpteen times... the minimum wage in Ontario is a arbitrary fantasy # because basic labour laws are not being followed. the law breaking is at epidemic proportions...

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/11/17/goodlife-fitness-faces-60m-class-action-lawsuit-over-wages.html

the dreamworld minimum wage set by the ostriches running queen's park created a no-rules zero-regulation underground labour economy that is a libertarian's wet dream.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
January 22 2017 05:17 GMT
#756
great move by Trudeau to visit Trump. keep the lines of communication wide open because there is opportunity in anarchy. and its total chaos in DC
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Fprime
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada64 Posts
January 23 2017 09:00 GMT
#757
85% of Canadian exports go to the USA. Of course Trudeau needs to try and get good relations with Trump. Who the hell knows what it will do, though. I suppose there is Keystone XL that might return after being dead for three days.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13413 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-30 04:14:06
January 30 2017 04:13 GMT
#758
Tragic news out of Quebec tonight

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-gun-shots-1.3957686



At least 5 shot dead in an attack on a Quebec mosque by 3 gunmen. 2 have been confirmed apprehended, not sure about the third gunman.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
January 30 2017 04:22 GMT
#759
On January 30 2017 13:13 ZeromuS wrote:
Tragic news out of Quebec tonight

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-gun-shots-1.3957686



At least 5 shot dead in an attack on a Quebec mosque by 3 gunmen. 2 have been confirmed apprehended, not sure about the third gunman.


Third gunman is not confirmed, for now it look to be just 2 person, maybe only one gun. Could be radical islamist, one of the two suspects definitely from Québec.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24314 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-30 05:04:48
January 30 2017 04:56 GMT
#760
On January 30 2017 13:22 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2017 13:13 ZeromuS wrote:
Tragic news out of Quebec tonight

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-gun-shots-1.3957686



At least 5 shot dead in an attack on a Quebec mosque by 3 gunmen. 2 have been confirmed apprehended, not sure about the third gunman.


Third gunman is not confirmed, for now it look to be just 2 person, maybe only one gun. Could be radical islamist, one of the two suspects definitely from Québec.


Would be the first time a mosque was attacked on this continent (iirc) by radicals. There was a pig head left there during the summer, could be anti-Islamist terrorists.

Either way seems like a bad strategy.
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