An AirAsia flight from Indonesia's Surabaya to Singapore has lost contact with air traffic control, the airline and Indonesian authorities have confirmed.
Transport ministry official Hadi Mustofa said flight QZ8501 lost contact with the Jakarta air traffic control tower at 7:24am local time.
The official said the aircraft is an Airbus 320-200 with 162 people on board and the plane had asked for an unusual route before it lost contact.
AirAsia Indonesia regrets to confirm that flight QZ8501 from Surabaya to Singapore has lost contact with air traffic control at 07:24 (Surabaya LT) this morning. The flight took off from Juanda International Airport in Surabaya at 0535hours.
The aircraft was an Airbus A320-200 with the registration number PK-AXC. There were two pilots, four flight attendants and one engineer on board.
The captain in command had a total of 6,100 flying hours and the first officer a total of 2,275 flying hours
There were 155 passengers on board, with 138 adults, 16 children and 1 infant. Also on board were 2 pilots and 5 cabin crew.
Nationalities of passengers and crew onboard are as below: 1 Singapore 1 Malaysia 1 France 3 South Korean 156 Indonesia
At this time, search and rescue operations are being conducted under the guidance of The Indonesia of Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). AirAsia Indonesia is cooperating fully and assisting the investigation in every possible way.
The aircraft was on the submitted flight plan route and was requesting deviation due to enroute weather before communication with the aircraft was lost while it was still under the control of the Indonesian Air Traffic Control (ATC).
The aircraft had undergone its last scheduled maintenance on 16 November 2014.
AirAsia has established an Emergency Call Centre that is available for family or friends of those who may have been on board the aircraft. The number is: +622129850801.
AirAsia will release further information as soon as it becomes available. Updated information will also be posted on the AirAsia website, www.airasia.com.
Fairfax Indonesia correspondent Michael Bachelard says search and rescue vessels are still eight hours away from the area where flight QZ8501 last made contact.
"Singapore has sent a couple of C-130 Hercules aircraft to go to the area," he said.
"Australia has offered help and the Indonesian search and rescue authorities are saying that any help they can provide Australia in terms of clearing air space and so on, if they can facilitate that, they'll do it.
"But it is early days. I mean, there are still boats - search and rescue boats - trying to get out to the area where the plane was last heard from.
"We just heard they are still eight hours ... away from that part of the ocean because the sea is quite rough today. So this one's got a fair way to go, I would say."
On December 28 2014 18:45 polgas wrote: BBC report of the general area of where the plane was.
Wow....praying for all of these people...may god watch over these people and there loved ones during this time, I really hope this doesn't happen again ....T_T
On December 28 2014 15:27 Manit0u wrote: Third time this year?
It still can't stop baffling me how in this day and age a plane can simply "disappear"...
Well spending billions of dollars a year monitoring millions of square miles of water where nothing should happen isn't the best alternative either. Also, Indonesia isn't exactly first world either. I was born in a second world country, and it's quite the difference.
RIP to the ones on board... Will be following this to see if anything new comes.
Fairfax Indonesia correspondent Michael Bachelard says search and rescue vessels are still eight hours away from the area where flight QZ8501 last made contact.
"Singapore has sent a couple of C-130 Hercules aircraft to go to the area," he said.
"Australia has offered help and the Indonesian search and rescue authorities are saying that any help they can provide Australia in terms of clearing air space and so on, if they can facilitate that, they'll do it.
"But it is early days. I mean, there are still boats - search and rescue boats - trying to get out to the area where the plane was last heard from.
"We just heard they are still eight hours ... away from that part of the ocean because the sea is quite rough today. So this one's got a fair way to go, I would say."
As someone about to fly in this area in the next 2 days this freaks me out. Will be going from Bangkok to Tokyo then Tokyo to Dallas Tuesday morning local time. I am traveling with my wife and 2 twin 3year old boys.
Another plane lost =( this usually happens to cheap flights but in this case can happen to anyone its the risk of flying on planes in stormy weather best of luck finding them hope we get more information soon.
On December 28 2014 15:27 Manit0u wrote: Third time this year?
It still can't stop baffling me how in this day and age a plane can simply "disappear"...
Exactly, this is simply disturbing. Any modern aircraft should have some communication methods if anything goes wrong during the flight
Respectfully, how? They have radios, are you saying every airliner needs a satellite phone?
and also why? I watched a lot of Air Crash Investigations episodes and I don't remember something like that being critical to safety
i think what he is meaning is a better way of tracking airplanes that are in distress, that airplanes dont seem to have at the moment. also if the wreckage can be found it would help to solve problems
At this rate, plane accidents are going to be a big % of death rates in Indonesia...
In all seriousness, another possibly awful accident (presumably so) for this nation. I hope atleast this one we'll (and especially the families) get some closure if something terrible ended up happening
Neither really. There haven't been more crashes and news reporting hasn't really changed. The diference this year was the circumstance behind the crashes, planes crash every year, but it's not every year that a plane disappears completelly or crashes in the middle of a conflict zone that is receiving a lot of attention.
You could say it's being reported more often, but it's more because the crashes are more news worthy than the news outlets changing anything is regard to what they report.
On December 28 2014 19:02 Onegu wrote: As someone about to fly in this area in the next 2 days this freaks me out. Will be going from Bangkok to Tokyo then Tokyo to Dallas Tuesday morning local time. I am traveling with my wife and 2 twin 3year old boys.
Look at the bright side, if you are all flying together than your children won't be orphans.
On December 29 2014 05:56 SKC wrote: Neither really. There haven't been more crashes and news reporting hasn't really changed. The diference this year was the circumstance behind the crashes, planes crash every year, but it's not every year that a plane disappears completelly or crashes in the middle of a conflict zone that is receiving a lot of attention.
You could say it's being reported more often, but it's more because the crashes are more news worthy than the news outlets changing anything is regard to what they report.
That's helpful. So it's mostly that the planes "disappear" for the reason the coverage is so incessant. It's particularly weird in the US because we don't usually talk about foreign people problems when they don't directly impact our politics or at least some large humanitarian effort involved. I suppose one could say that the search is a humanitarian effort?
Have there ever been any survivors found from crashes like these where the plane 'goes missing"?
On December 29 2014 05:56 SKC wrote: Neither really. There haven't been more crashes and news reporting hasn't really changed. The diference this year was the circumstance behind the crashes, planes crash every year, but it's not every year that a plane disappears completelly or crashes in the middle of a conflict zone that is receiving a lot of attention.
You could say it's being reported more often, but it's more because the crashes are more news worthy than the news outlets changing anything is regard to what they report.
So it's mostly that the planes "disappear" for the reason the coverage is so incessant. It's particularly weird in the US because we don't usually talk about foreign people problems when they don't directly impact our politics or at least some large humanitarian effort involved. I suppose one could say that the search is a humanitarian effort?
It's definitely the mystery element. A statistic of X dying isn't as interesting as X people missing and they can plug the ongoing search and keep people watching. I bet the ratings for that Malaysian airliner search were really good and they're just feeding off that theme.
I love how they lump asian pilots together, as if asian culture is a single entity. Though to be fair, if you're going to cherry pick a couple of accidents (the ukraine doesn't even count andwe don't know what happened with Flight 370) to bash non-American flight training I guess culture is more culpable than the metric system.
Agreed but still funny they would even bring metric system into it. Pretty sure it is less confusing using the system of 1000's for navigation etc than converting imperial units.
Agreed but still funny they would even bring metric system into it. Pretty sure it is less confusing using the system of 1000's for navigation etc than converting imperial units.
I know! I came in watching that video with like a "WTF America, I want to see how this media outlet shat on the metric system", and then nope, something completely different.
I think it's wildly accepted that everything would be much better if the metric system was used internationally, and USA tried to get it implemented, but it's really difficult to do.
Agreed but still funny they would even bring metric system into it. Pretty sure it is less confusing using the system of 1000's for navigation etc than converting imperial units.
I know! I came in watching that video with like a "WTF America, I want to see how this media outlet shat on the metric system", and then nope, something completely different.
I think it's wildly accepted that everything would be much better if the metric system was used internationally, and USA tried to get it implemented, but it's really difficult to do.
Not that difficult- they would be joining the majority and many other countries have made the switch. The only thing really holding them back is that Americans like to do things the American way and would likely fight such changes based on the same stupid reasons most people fight change (they don't like it).
Agreed but still funny they would even bring metric system into it. Pretty sure it is less confusing using the system of 1000's for navigation etc than converting imperial units.
I know! I came in watching that video with like a "WTF America, I want to see how this media outlet shat on the metric system", and then nope, something completely different.
I think it's wildly accepted that everything would be much better if the metric system was used internationally, and USA tried to get it implemented, but it's really difficult to do.
Not that difficult- they would be joining the majority and many other countries have made the switch. The only thing really holding them back is that Americans like to do things the American way and would likely fight such changes based on the same stupid reasons most people fight change (they don't like it).
I don't recall the exact article, but like 3 years ago I read some articles about metrication in the USA for a good 3+ hours (fuck my life haha)... I don't recall exactly what it was, but I do recall that they have attempted it several times in history, but there were mundane details that didn't allow a smooth transition.
I mean I'm an engineer (almost), and honestly, it doesn't matter what units I use. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you are using a watt, BTU, lbf, kelvin, etc... It's the dimension that matters. And when I'm working in an industry that only deals with like 5 different units, there is little incentive to switch, as they aren't harder (often easier) to use for people who are familiar with them, and lots of information from 20 years ago isn't stored electronically in these firms. And technically, shouldn't people be allowed to choose what units they want to use?
Even today, in Canada a lot of industries deal with imperial units, notably manufacturing. Actually, what I had happened to me at university, is that for two years we used SI units exclusively, and then third year they were like "Haha, okay, now we stop this, and you must learn how to do everything in imperial, because that's what is done in industry."
Agreed but still funny they would even bring metric system into it. Pretty sure it is less confusing using the system of 1000's for navigation etc than converting imperial units.
I know! I came in watching that video with like a "WTF America, I want to see how this media outlet shat on the metric system", and then nope, something completely different.
I think it's wildly accepted that everything would be much better if the metric system was used internationally, and USA tried to get it implemented, but it's really difficult to do.
Not that difficult- they would be joining the majority and many other countries have made the switch. The only thing really holding them back is that Americans like to do things the American way and would likely fight such changes based on the same stupid reasons most people fight change (they don't like it).
I don't recall the exact article, but like 3 years ago I read some articles about metrication in the USA for a good 3+ hours (fuck my life haha)... I don't recall exactly what it was, but I do recall that they have attempted it several times in history, but there were mundane details that didn't allow a smooth transition.
I mean I'm an engineer (almost), and honestly, it doesn't matter what units I use. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you are using a watt, BTU, lbf, kelvin, etc... It's the dimension that matters. And when I'm working in an industry that only deals with like 5 different units, there is little incentive to switch, as they aren't harder (often easier) to use for people who are familiar with them, and lots of information from 20 years ago isn't stored electronically in these firms. And technically, shouldn't people be allowed to choose what units they want to use?
Even today, in Canada a lot of industries deal with imperial units, notably manufacturing. Actually, what I had happened to me at university, is that for two years we used SI units exclusively, and then third year they were like "Haha, okay, now we stop this, and you must learn how to do everything in imperial, because that's what is done in industry."
Yeah I guess one of the major reasons it hasn't taken hold is because a lot of expensive engineering plans blueprints etc.. exist only in Standard and converting them would be expensive.
Engineers could probably lobby for a mandated change then rake in the cash on all those conversions. And with our new finance laws it wouldn't be hard for you to get some of that dirty Canadian money into the right places and secure a contract for Canadian engineers too. Probably not too fun but pretty lucrative. (the money would be dirty not Canadians if that was unclear lol)
I like how they left out that Air Asia has an unusually good record, if I'm not mistaken this is their first crash.
Fox News realized years ago that they can get away with saying anything as long as it's in the form of a question. "Is it safe...?" We're not saying it ISN'T, but maybe it isn't?
Agreed but still funny they would even bring metric system into it. Pretty sure it is less confusing using the system of 1000's for navigation etc than converting imperial units.
I know! I came in watching that video with like a "WTF America, I want to see how this media outlet shat on the metric system", and then nope, something completely different.
I think it's wildly accepted that everything would be much better if the metric system was used internationally, and USA tried to get it implemented, but it's really difficult to do.
Not that difficult- they would be joining the majority and many other countries have made the switch. The only thing really holding them back is that Americans like to do things the American way and would likely fight such changes based on the same stupid reasons most people fight change (they don't like it).
I don't recall the exact article, but like 3 years ago I read some articles about metrication in the USA for a good 3+ hours (fuck my life haha)... I don't recall exactly what it was, but I do recall that they have attempted it several times in history, but there were mundane details that didn't allow a smooth transition.
I mean I'm an engineer (almost), and honestly, it doesn't matter what units I use. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you are using a watt, BTU, lbf, kelvin, etc... It's the dimension that matters. And when I'm working in an industry that only deals with like 5 different units, there is little incentive to switch, as they aren't harder (often easier) to use for people who are familiar with them, and lots of information from 20 years ago isn't stored electronically in these firms. And technically, shouldn't people be allowed to choose what units they want to use?
Even today, in Canada a lot of industries deal with imperial units, notably manufacturing. Actually, what I had happened to me at university, is that for two years we used SI units exclusively, and then third year they were like "Haha, okay, now we stop this, and you must learn how to do everything in imperial, because that's what is done in industry."
No it doesn't matter what units you use but there is no real reason apart from history that we should use imperial, metric have smaller measurements and a more logical scaling/naming convention.
Metric is indeed superior. But do not delude yourself, changing industrial setups, machines, screws, threads, dies and so on would be extremly expansive and would take many years.
On December 29 2014 18:41 Silvanel wrote: Metric is indeed superior. But do not delude yourself, changing industrial setups, machines, screws, threads, dies and so on would be extremly expansive and would take many years.
Yes but a once off cost and you would no more need to manufacture 2 sets of everything for compatibility,
Also without getting completely off topic for much more time I don't find the argument compelling that measurement should stay the same because of cost and difficulty in the short term. Think decades down the track and future benefit. I understand the argument when it comes to language where I don't think there is one language which is superior to others but when it comes to measurement systems I think everyone agrees if we could start fresh metric is the way to go. Bite the bullet- do it.
On December 29 2014 19:40 spacemonkeyy wrote: Also without getting completely off topic for much more time I don't find the argument compelling that measurement should stay the same because of cost and difficulty in the short term. Think decades down the track and future benefit. I understand the argument when it comes to language where I don't think there is one language which is superior to others but when it comes to measurement systems I think everyone agrees if we could start fresh metric is the way to go. Bite the bullet- do it.
I work in engineering. It's going to be one hell of a challenge to bite the bullet. For example, minimum inside radius for machining(from my supplier), is 1/8". Pretty much all sheet/plate material stock comes in multiples of 1/8" thicknesses. It'll take decades before anything ever changes.
Also other industries. IIRC construction uses exclusively imperial, and I'm sure most people know their height/weight in imperial units, but not metric.
Can anyone in the industry chime in on whether or not this is an average amount of lost flights per year (and the media is just blowing it out of proportion) or if this has been a statistically significant year?
You don't need to be "in the industry" to know such a thing. Even the disappearances of small aircraft are usually noted by mainstream media, and literally every calamity to befall an aircraft holding over 20 people ever has been a major media event. So, the answer is yes, this year's incidence of large aircraft disasters is statistically significant lol.
Are there any investigations on the plane-service-intervalls and general plans/structure for Aviation-associated companies in Malaysia? (Like changing the route, to NOT Fly into a WarZone, or the procedure in changing the route to avoid bad weather)
Serioulsy, I wouldn't give them permission to land in my country if it's run with lesser safety standards.
On December 29 2014 22:53 farvacola wrote: You don't need to be "in the industry" to know such a thing. Even the disappearances of small aircraft are usually noted by mainstream media, and literally every calamity to befall an aircraft holding over 20 people ever has been a major media event. So, the answer is yes, this year's incidence of large aircraft disasters is statistically significant lol.
You don't need to be "an expert" to make up facts, apparently.
Rather than make up conclusions based upon your own observations and then posting them as fact, and in the tone of a knowledgeable person, which you aren't, take a few minutes to do some research. It will go a long way to showing you that your personal experiences do not actually constitute reality.
According to the Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Archives, 2014 has had the lowest number of airplane crashes since 1927.
So, the answer is yes, this year's incidence of large aircraft disasters is statistically significant, (but not in the way that you mean it, nonexpertpullfactsoutofyourbumcola) lol.
2010 also had more airplane crash deaths than 2014, but noone was worried about it. Wheter every crash with over 20 deaths is a major media event certainly depends on your definition of a major media event. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't remember stuff like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepahan_Airlines_Flight_5915 And even major crashes like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhoja_Air_Flight_213 Are forgotten far more easily than the accidents from 2014.
Overall this year had a spike in deaths not unlike several other years in the past, it wasn't something extremelly out of the ordinary.
What, how can this stuff happen. Passenger airplanes have staff and pilots onboard, not to even mention the constant communication between the aircraft and control towers.
On December 30 2014 02:03 SKC wrote: 2010 also had more airplane crash deaths than 2014, but noone was worried about it. Wheter every crash with over 20 deaths is a major media event certainly depends on your definition of a major media event. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't remember stuff like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepahan_Airlines_Flight_5915 And even major crashes like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhoja_Air_Flight_213 Are forgotten far more easily than the accidents from 2014.
Overall this year had a spike in deaths not unlike several other years in the past, it wasn't something extremelly out of the ordinary.
I had been wondering about the relative scope, seeing as the incidents this year have given me the impression that it was out of the ordinary, and also bounded to a specific geographic area, at least relatively moreso than in past years. In any case, I hope that at least some sort of travel/safety improvement comes out of these events
On December 29 2014 22:53 farvacola wrote: You don't need to be "in the industry" to know such a thing. Even the disappearances of small aircraft are usually noted by mainstream media, and literally every calamity to befall an aircraft holding over 20 people ever has been a major media event. So, the answer is yes, this year's incidence of large aircraft disasters is statistically significant lol.
Going to agree with kingjames01 about this. Statistical significance is something to demonstrate mathematically not just say.
On December 30 2014 02:03 SKC wrote: 2010 also had more airplane crash deaths than 2014, but noone was worried about it. Wheter every crash with over 20 deaths is a major media event certainly depends on your definition of a major media event. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't remember stuff like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepahan_Airlines_Flight_5915 And even major crashes like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhoja_Air_Flight_213 Are forgotten far more easily than the accidents from 2014.
Overall this year had a spike in deaths not unlike several other years in the past, it wasn't something extremelly out of the ordinary.
I definitely remember the Pakistan crash. People just forget stuff so easily, its crazy how shortminded some are imo
On December 30 2014 16:59 sharkie wrote: I definitely remember the Pakistan crash. People just forget stuff so easily, its crazy how shortminded some are imo
This may sound harsh to you, but why the hell would everyone try to remember every plane crash or every crash at all? People will remember things like Tschernobyl, the Fukushima tragedy or the tsunami in Pakistan 2004 due to the significant amount of media coverage (even years after the events) as well as the sheer numbers of deaths etc. Things that are hardly mentioned in media for 1-2 weeks are of course easily forgotten. People have more important things to worry about (their own lifes, for exmaple), rather than trying to honour every tragedy within their memory. Even further, why would you try to remember every tragedy that is not related to you? You would lead quite the depressive lifestyle if you did so.
On December 30 2014 16:59 sharkie wrote: I definitely remember the Pakistan crash. People just forget stuff so easily, its crazy how shortminded some are imo
This may sound harsh to you, but why the hell would everyone try to remember every plane crash or every crash at all? People will remember things like Tschernobyl, the Fukushima tragedy or the tsunami in Pakistan 2004 due to the significant amount of media coverage (even years after the events) as well as the sheer numbers of deaths etc. Things that are hardly mentioned in media for 1-2 weeks are of course easily forgotten. People have more important things to worry about (their own lifes, for exmaple), rather than trying to honour every tragedy within their memory. Even further, why would you try to remember every tragedy that is not related to you? You would lead quite the depressive lifestyle if you did so.
People remember stupid stuff like how wasted they were every weekend up to 5 years ago as well. Is it really impossible to ask to remember tragic stuff?
Tragic things should never be forgotten because if they are then the same mistakes will be repeated again.
On December 30 2014 16:59 sharkie wrote: I definitely remember the Pakistan crash. People just forget stuff so easily, its crazy how shortminded some are imo
This may sound harsh to you, but why the hell would everyone try to remember every plane crash or every crash at all? People will remember things like Tschernobyl, the Fukushima tragedy or the tsunami in Pakistan 2004 due to the significant amount of media coverage (even years after the events) as well as the sheer numbers of deaths etc. Things that are hardly mentioned in media for 1-2 weeks are of course easily forgotten. People have more important things to worry about (their own lifes, for exmaple), rather than trying to honour every tragedy within their memory. Even further, why would you try to remember every tragedy that is not related to you? You would lead quite the depressive lifestyle if you did so.
Yeah it didn't happen to me so who cares right? This type of thinking is the enabler to all of our solvable problems
On December 30 2014 16:59 sharkie wrote: I definitely remember the Pakistan crash. People just forget stuff so easily, its crazy how shortminded some are imo
This may sound harsh to you, but why the hell would everyone try to remember every plane crash or every crash at all? People will remember things like Tschernobyl, the Fukushima tragedy or the tsunami in Pakistan 2004 due to the significant amount of media coverage (even years after the events) as well as the sheer numbers of deaths etc. Things that are hardly mentioned in media for 1-2 weeks are of course easily forgotten. People have more important things to worry about (their own lifes, for exmaple), rather than trying to honour every tragedy within their memory. Even further, why would you try to remember every tragedy that is not related to you? You would lead quite the depressive lifestyle if you did so.
People remember stupid stuff like how wasted they were every weekend up to 5 years ago as well. Is it really impossible to ask to remember tragic stuff?
Tragic things should never be forgotten because if they are then the same mistakes will be repeated again.
i find it a bit dangerous to focus on tragedies when they are often just that, tragedies. singular non systematic instances of a unlucky chain of events that leads to something horrible. its dangerous because it may supersede other more systematic issues as those getting fewer attention in the media. for example i am quite sure more people in the malaysian region die or get seriously injured due to bad worker safety regulations each year than there are deaths because of airplane crashes.
accidents happen, there will always be accidents but as long as the reason for those isnt systematic there is very little need for change, and very little for media coverage as well. because people tend to not educate themself on any matter and draw conclusions without having the proper knowledge to do so things get blown out of proportion so easily. to avoid this i always only care for things i have some knowledge about or alternatively try to not make a conclusion without reading into the subject further. when there is a public outcry because flight accidents with a couple of hundred deaths is covered extensively by the media although there are the least amount of deaths since about a hundred years ago, then this outcry achieves very little. it will most likely even hurt others indirectly as their tragedies, that might very well be systematic, are not covered. in our case here, the control mechanisms that revise the flight security seem to work, if else we wouldnt have less and less death per year. with working control mechanisms the deaths of those people arent meaningless, because they will make planes even safer than there are now, with or without attention in the media. i dont think we need to remember deaths that are meaningfull.
On December 30 2014 19:27 Spaylz wrote: Don't skimp on your flight fares, guys.
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what indication is there that this was caused by the "cheapness" of a budget airline?
So far, there isn't any. That seems to be a statement made out of plain and simple bigotry.
Yeah, that was a poor assumption on my part. While AirAsia is a low-cost flight company, it's been flying for 14 years and has had no accidents up until now. Posted without thinking there, my bad.
Luckily, since they found the plane in what seems to be shallow waters, chances are they'll be able to retrieve the black box too.
It seems like the aircraft is relatively intact as some SAR personnel in the area have reporting the seeing the shadow of the aircraft underwater (it is a shallow sea).
I may have selective memory, but haven't the vast majority of airplane accidents lately been Airbus planes? It almost makes me uneasy to board an Airbus.
On December 31 2014 00:32 Kickboxer wrote: I may have selective memory, but haven't the vast majority of airplane accidents lately been Airbus planes? It almost makes me uneasy to board an Airbus.
2014[edit] February 16 – Nepal Airlines Flight 183, a de Havilland Canada DHC-6, crashes near Khidim about 74 kilometres southwest of Pokhara, Nepal, killing all 18 people on board. February 17 – Ethiopian Airlines Flight 702, a Boeing 767, is hijacked by the co-pilot while en route from Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, to Rome, Italy, but lands safely at Geneva, Switzerland. All 202 passengers and crew aboard are unharmed. March 8 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a Boeing 777 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 227 passengers and 12 crew on board, disappears from radar over the Gulf of Thailand. July 17 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, is shot down over eastern Ukraine, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew on board in the deadliest civilian airliner shootdown incident. July 23 – TransAsia Airways Flight 222, an ATR-72 en route from Kaohsiung to Penghu, Taiwan, crashes during go-around, killing 48 of the 58 people on board. July 24 – Air Algérie Flight 5017, a chartered Swiftair McDonnell Douglas MD-83 operating for Air Algérie en route from Burkina Faso to Algiers, crashes in the northern Mali desert after disappearing from radar approximately 50 minutes after takeoff, killing all 112 passengers and 6 crew members on board. August 10 – Sepahan Airlines Flight 5915, a HESA IrAn-140 (an Antonov An-140 built under license) crashes shortly after takeoff from Mehrabad International Airport, Iran, killing 39 of the 48 people on board. December 28 – Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501, an Airbus A320 en route from Surabaya, Indonesia to Singapore with 155 passengers and 7 crew on board, crashes into waters off of Sumatra.
On December 30 2014 16:59 sharkie wrote: I definitely remember the Pakistan crash. People just forget stuff so easily, its crazy how shortminded some are imo
This may sound harsh to you, but why the hell would everyone try to remember every plane crash or every crash at all? People will remember things like Tschernobyl, the Fukushima tragedy or the tsunami in Pakistan 2004 due to the significant amount of media coverage (even years after the events) as well as the sheer numbers of deaths etc. Things that are hardly mentioned in media for 1-2 weeks are of course easily forgotten. People have more important things to worry about (their own lifes, for exmaple), rather than trying to honour every tragedy within their memory. Even further, why would you try to remember every tragedy that is not related to you? You would lead quite the depressive lifestyle if you did so.
Yeah it didn't happen to me so who cares right? This type of thinking is the enabler to all of our solvable problems
I agree with the way he phrased his sentiments. Busybodies don't help. If it's not your job, get the fuck out of the way.
This is really sad news though given the fact that they heard nothing in 3 days time, this was the likely outcome Condolences to the family members for their loss!
Apparently the airplane had no license to fly the day it flew, some of the corpses found were still attached to their seat (all of this according to BBC).
A source quoted by Reuters said that radar data appeared to show that the aircraft's "unbelievably" steep climb may have been beyond the Airbus A320's limits.
hmm, this wouldn't be allowed under the Airbus flight computer's "normal law" so I guess like the Air France crash, the computer had switched to one of the alternate laws. In the Air France case, the switch to alternate law was caused by pitot tubes freezing up.
So the flight was not allowed to change course because the sky was full of planes. Now we know that Air Asia wasn't even allowed to fly on this route because of full traffic.
This upsets me so much. Pure economical greed cost the life of these people, wtf.
On January 03 2015 18:15 sharkie wrote: So the flight was not allowed to change course because the sky was full of planes. Now we know that Air Asia wasn't even allowed to fly on this route because of full traffic.
This upsets me so much. Pure economical greed cost the life of these people, wtf.
No this wasn't what happened wth, stop getting your source from sensational tabloids.
On January 03 2015 18:15 sharkie wrote: So the flight was not allowed to change course because the sky was full of planes. Now we know that Air Asia wasn't even allowed to fly on this route because of full traffic.
This upsets me so much. Pure economical greed cost the life of these people, wtf.
No this wasn't what happened wth, stop getting your source from sensational tabloids.
Officials said heavy air traffic in the area meant he was not given permission to do so straight away.
Meanwhile it has emerged that that AirAsia did not have permission to fly the Surabaya to Singapore route on the day of the accident. The airliner, however, was licensed to fly on four other days of the week.