EPTDW had a similar take on it: http://www.dw.com/en/poland-independence-day-thousands-take-part-in-far-right-rally/a-41343896
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
DW had a similar take on it: http://www.dw.com/en/poland-independence-day-thousands-take-part-in-far-right-rally/a-41343896 | ||
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Sent.
Poland9289 Posts
If I take "nazi regalia" on a football stadium during a match and wave the nazi flag together with "my" nazi buddies in one sector of the stadium, does that mean the match was a nazi rally? Radicals did their thing, normal people did theirs. Some of their goals were shared to they did them together in peace and then everyone went home. Right wing radicals went back to their sub 2% support and extremely intriguing neverending conflict with left wing radicals. Normal people went back to not giving a fuck. The article tries to present the march as similar to the Charlottesville rally, focuses on fringe elements from both sides + Show Spoiler + why does this guy even get covered in an article about a march of 60 000 people? “It’s getting more and more vicious,” said Jakub Skrzypek, 25, one of about a dozen counterprotesters standing behind a banner that read “We Are Polish Jews,” and surrounded by police. “We are really in fear.” It was possible to describe the rise of possibly troubling "nationalism" in Poland accurately, but why would Drew Hinshaw do that if he could just play the clickbait game and warn the world about the terrifying Nazis from the Naziland? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On November 12 2017 07:10 Sent. wrote: Radicals did their thing, normal people did theirs. Some of their goals were shared to they did them together in peace and then everyone went home. Yep if you turn around and there's a guy with a literal skull mask praying for the Islamic Holocaust you basically just go "huh whatever", completely normal situation to find yourself in | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22190 Posts
Your presence amid the actual nazi's lends legitimacy to their message. Which is something no sane person should want to do. | ||
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sc-darkness
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Plansix
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On November 12 2017 07:57 Plansix wrote: Nazism is alive and well in 2017. Where? Majority of it died with Nazi Germany. So I still don't see it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2017 08:13 sc-darkness wrote: Where? Majority of it died with Nazi Germany. So I still don't see it. The majority of the German population was never part of the Nazi party. They were always a minority politicial party. They were able to do horrific things because the majority of non Nazis were indifferent to what was happening. If they ever gain power again, it will be through the same means, staggering indifference to their hateful rhetoric. 60k people just marched next to people waving fascist flags. They may not believe what Nazis believed. But they are indifferent to the idea that they are marching side by side with modern day Nazis. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On November 12 2017 08:25 Plansix wrote: The majority of the German population was never part of the Nazi party. They were always a minority politicial party. They were able to do horrific things because the majority of non Nazis were indifferent to what was happening. If they ever gain power again, it will be through the same means, staggering indifference to their hateful rhetoric. Still, you didn't answer the question. Where are nazis? Answer: they're dead. What you see now is nothing but racism. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On November 12 2017 08:30 Plansix wrote: Nazism is synonymous with racism. This is what I mean - you have NO idea what nazism is then. Nazism is a lot more than simple racism. It's violence because of racism. It also comes with a totalitarian state which I don't see anywhere in Europe or US. Nazism is racism. Racism isn't nazism. Please stop throwing nazi labels when you have no clue. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Plansix
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28781 Posts
On November 12 2017 08:30 Plansix wrote: Nazism is synonymous with racism. Nazism always entails racism but racism does not always entail nazism. Calling every group of racists nazis really does miss the point of just how bad nazis were. You can think white people are genetically superior to black people, which is certainly racist, without supporting genocide - even without being opposed to 'the intermingling of races'. That said I certainly believe there's a strong correlation between racist nationalist groups and some fascist ideals, but I do believe the 'nazi' term should be limited to the groups that actually use nazi terminology and slogans, or ones that advocate for some type of 'violent cleansing' or whatever. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4746 Posts
On November 12 2017 08:30 Plansix wrote: Nazism is synonymous with racism. This is not true. This is pure BS. If that was accurate You could call Ancient Rome or British Empire or American cotton plantation owners Nazis. This doesnt make any sense. As is often with Your posts. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23799 Posts
You guys worried about "white genocide" over there or is that just a US thing? On November 12 2017 18:07 Silvanel wrote: This is not true. This is pure BS. If that was accurate You could call Ancient Rome or British Empire or American cotton plantation owners Nazis. This doesnt make any sense. As is often with Your posts. Racism is an indispensable part of Nazism, but I would agree that they are not interchangeable. Every Nazi is racist, but not every racist is a Nazi. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
for the East it's mostly 'the West is killing our traditionalism' kind of deal; that would be the nr.1 threat. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Tens of thousands of nationalists have marched through Warsaw to mark Poland’s independence day, throwing red smoke bombs and carrying banners with such slogans as “white Europe of brotherly nations”. The march organised by far-right groups was one of many events marking Poland’s rebirth as a nation in 1918, overshadowing official state observances and other patriotic events. Police estimated 60,000 people took part. Many were young men, some with their faces covered or with beer bottles in hand, but families and older Poles also participated. Those marching chanted “God, honour, country” and “Glory to our heroes”, while a few people also shouted xenophobic phrases like “pure Poland, white Poland” and “refugees get out”. Some participants marched under the slogan “We Want God”, words from an old Polish religious song that the US president, Donald Trump, quoted during a visit to Warsaw earlier this year. Speakers spoke of standing against liberals and defending Christian values. Many carried the national white-and-red flag as others set off flares and firecrackers, filling the air with red smoke. Some also carried banners depicting a falanga, a far-right symbol dating to the 1930s. The march has become one of the largest such demonstration in Europe and drew far-right leaders from elsewhere in Europe, including Tommy Robinson from Britain and Roberto Fiore from Italy. It also attracted a considerable number of supporters of the governing conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party. State broadcaster TVP, which reflects the conservative government’s line, called it a “great march of patriots”, and in its broadcasts described the event as one that drew mostly regular Poles expressing their love of Poland, not extremists. “I’m shocked that they’re allowed to demonstrate on this day. It’s 50 to 100,000 mostly football hooligans hijacking patriotism,” said 50-year-old Briton Andy Eddles, a language teacher who has been living in Poland for 27 years. “For me it’s important to support the anti-fascist coalition and to support fellow democrats, who are under pressure in Poland today.” But main march participant Kamil Staszalek warned against making generalisations and said he was marching to “honour the memory of those who fought for Poland’s freedom”. “I’d say some people here do have extreme views, maybe even 30 per cent of those marching, but 70 per cent are simply walking peacefully, without shouting any fascist slogans,” he said. Earlier in the day, the president, Andrzej Duda, presided over state ceremonies also attended by the European Union president, Donald Tusk, a former Polish prime minister. Tusk’s appearance comes at a time when Warsaw has been increasingly at odds with Brussels because of the PiS government’s controversial court reforms, large-scale logging in a primeval forest and refusal to welcome migrants. Relations between PiS and Tusk have been so tense that Poland was the only country to vote against his re-election as EU president in March. Source | ||
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