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sharkie
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Yurie
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On October 16 2017 04:42 sharkie wrote: I am not so happy about FPÖ results in Austria but if we get rid of the Greens in the parliament as a result this would ve awesome! Rest of the parties have strong environmental policies? It is the most important question right now but at least here all the parties have a decent environmental policy (with some small spread over the spectrum). | ||
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sharkie
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 16 2017 04:59 Yurie wrote: Rest of the parties have strong environmental policies? It is the most important question right now but at least here all the parties have a decent environmental policy (with some small spread over the spectrum). Liste Pilz is strongly for it, but afaik it's not as big of a topic for them as for the traditional Greens. Neos (liberals) have decent ideas. Co2-taxation (instead of a hundred and one taxes on all sorts of stuff, which often just cost people for no reason). ÖVP has no plans, their eco-policies are mostly a tool to transfer money to farmers and to tax consumers (e.g. tax cars whether they are used or not) to refinance lower taxes for industries. FPÖ doesn't believe it is manmade and wants restricions loosened. SPÖ wants more investments but it is the last of their problems. On October 16 2017 05:01 sharkie wrote: Yep. All the Greens are for in Austria is gender language. They replaced the most hard working parliamentarian in austria (peter pilz) with a person who cheated on votes with immigrants and a master of selfies That's not true. Julian Schmid and the thing with the migrant-votes are separate cases, the latter happened in Corinthia. Peter Pilz was regularily not voted onto 4th place on their list by the green base. He could have applied for a different spot, but didn't because at that point it was already clear that he and the Greens had too many different views (left-populism vs liberal-conservative politics like Felipe and the ones who took over are pushing for in conservative-green regional governments). | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On October 16 2017 05:08 Big J wrote: Liste Pilz is strongly for it, but afaik it's not as big of a topic for them as for the traditional Greens. Neos (liberals) have decent ideas. Co2-taxation (instead of a hundred and one taxes on all sorts of stuff, which often just cost people for no reason). ÖVP has no plans, their eco-policies are mostly a tool to transfer money to farmers and tax consumers (e.g. tax cars whether they are used or not) to refinance lower taxes for industries. FPÖ doesn't believe it is manmade and wants restricions loosened. SPÖ wants more investments but it is the last of their problems. The right will only care about the environment the day penguins can fund their parties | ||
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Yurie
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On October 16 2017 05:08 Big J wrote: Liste Pilz is strongly for it, but afaik it's not as big of a topic for them as for the traditional Greens. Neos (liberals) have decent ideas. Co2-taxation (instead of a hundred and one taxes on all sorts of stuff, which often just cost people for no reason). ÖVP has no plans, their eco-policies are mostly a tool to transfer money to farmers and to tax consumers (e.g. tax cars whether they are used or not) to refinance lower taxes for industries. FPÖ doesn't believe it is manmade and wants restricions loosened. SPÖ wants more investments but it is the last of their problems. So the greens not getting seats is a disaster then (from an external point of view). It shows that the status quo and the above lacklustre summary is enough to satisfy the voters on environmental issues. Though maybe you vote in the EU elections for that type of issue, makes bigger impact there as well. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 16 2017 05:16 Yurie wrote: So the greens not getting seats is a disaster then (from an external point of view). It shows that the status quo and the above lacklustre summary is enough to satisfy the voters on environmental issues. Even if they reach the 4% (instead of the 3.9% prognosed after votes by letters are counted tomorrow - at the moment their real share is 3.3%) it hardly matters for real politics. It didn't matter when they had 10-12% in the past 15 years, it doesn't matter when they are out. Most of the burgeoise society knows it is a huge issue and many have switched to Green in the past years, but in general they are waiting on ÖVP to pick the topic up. Which is completely delusional, as they have a hard enough time keeping their own interest groups in line, not to mention that behind the scenery they will probably have massive fights in the near future between the old interest groups and Kurz's young party soldiers plus the new rich kids on the block that have been financing him. It's going to be millionaires outside of the economic chamber fighting millionaires families inside the economic chamber over economic organization, there is not going to be room for enviromental issues. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18573 Posts
On October 16 2017 05:08 Big J wrote: Liste Pilz is strongly for it, but afaik it's not as big of a topic for them as for the traditional Greens. Neos (liberals) have decent ideas. Co2-taxation (instead of a hundred and one taxes on all sorts of stuff, which often just cost people for no reason). ÖVP has no plans, their eco-policies are mostly a tool to transfer money to farmers and to tax consumers (e.g. tax cars whether they are used or not) to refinance lower taxes for industries. FPÖ doesn't believe it is manmade and wants restricions loosened. SPÖ wants more investments but it is the last of their problems. That's not true. Julian Schmid and the thing with the migrant-votes are separate cases, the latter happened in Corinthia. Peter Pilz was regularily not voted onto 4th place on their list by the green base. He could have applied for a different spot, but didn't because at that point it was already clear that he and the Greens had too many different views (left-populism vs liberal-conservative politics like Felipe and the ones who took over are pushing for in conservative-green regional governments). Are you kidding me? Are you seriously saying that a person who got more votes in the whole of Austria (Peter Pilz) than a whole party (Die Grünen) lost a direct voting against a nobody (Julian Schmid whose greatest political achievement was a strike of the school cafeteria)? Julian Schmid cheated and today was proof for it. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 16 2017 05:24 sharkie wrote: Are you kidding me? Are you seriously saying that a person who got more votes in the whole of Austria (Peter Pilz) than a whole party (Die Grünen) lost a direct voting against a nobody (Julian Schmid whose greatest political achievement was a strike of the school cafeteria)? Julian Schmid cheated and today was proof for it. Julian Schmid has been built up inside the Greens for quite some time. He was one of their new poster boys, young and somewhat good looking, built up by Glawischnig and Co, pleasing the frontrunner women by posing as role model for a soft man, even in a somewhat sexualized manner. He was a candidate of the party leadership, Pilz refused to give in and challenged him for 4th spot (2nd male spot) in the party. The base voted in favor of the candidate of the leadership, Pilz then announced he would not try for a different spot, which would have been the place the party leadership wanted him on the list and which he would have gotten overwhelmingly. That's what actually happened. It's not cheating, it's just people voting in favor of the ideas of their leaders. I'm just happy for the Viennese results. ÖVP only got their traditional rich areas. The Green areas just got painted red again. Basically nothing happened there. Just ÖVP+FPÖ absorbing the Stronach votes. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18573 Posts
Thank god we get rid of them :D  | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 16 2017 05:35 sharkie wrote: So "looks > work" is the slogan of Die Grünen? Thank god we get rid of them :D Yeah, and now we have an idiot who is too stupid to finish law studies is becoming chancellor. It's Faymann all over again. The biggest idiot in the country gets to decide over the issues of the country. It's sad when in the year 2017 someone like me wishes for someone like Haider to sit on the throne instead of a rich kid who wanted to talk his school colleagues into buying shares because obviously at 17 you are going to keep up with people making a living by working 50-60 hours a week in that business. | ||
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Nebuchad
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On October 16 2017 05:56 Pr0wler wrote: Obviously you don't need to be smart to run a country. Later examples - Trump, Putin, Merkel, Juncker... I can go on. Hm... How did you get to the conclusion that Putin, Merkel or Juncker aren't smart? Simply by them being politicians? Or because you don't agree with their views? Because outside that I don't see much hinting at their lack of intelligence. But I sure you will have great revelations to present, which led to your (you are surely very smart) conclusions. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On October 16 2017 05:56 Pr0wler wrote: Obviously you don't need to be smart to run a country. Later examples - Trump, Putin, Merkel, Juncker(Maybe Trump is the smartest of them all, lol)... I can go on. Trump - rich kid Merkel - PhD in Physics Juncker - law education Putin - law education, KGB officer But by all means go on | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On October 16 2017 03:01 TheNewEra wrote: This is gonna be a long night  Do you know roughly when we'll get to know the final results? I liked the current government so I voted for them, though I'm not too happy with the result of the Greens. But in general I'm quite happy currently. Also AFD at only 6% is nice, too.Edit: And just as I typed it RG is suddenly one seat short again Well... nope. Wasn't enough for RG. Media now expects SPD+CDU. I guess it is the only possibility. But quite a bitter pill for the CDU to swallow. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 16 2017 05:57 Nebuchad wrote: Newspaper I work at has SPÖ in second place over FPÖ for 0.1%, at least that's what we plan to publish right now (26,6 vs 26,5). The prognosis is SPÖ 26.9/26.8 to FPÖ 26/26.3 according to ARGE/SORA institutes. The actual counted result at the moment (without prognosis) is FPÖ 27.4 and SPÖ 26.7. Not sure where you have your numbers from. | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On October 16 2017 06:02 mahrgell wrote: Well... nope. Wasn't enough for RG. Media now expects SPD+CDU. I guess it is the only possibility. But quite a bitter pill for the CDU to swallow. To be fair I think it would be also a bitter pill to swallow for the SPD (though more so for the CDU). I don't think anyone wants a GroKo | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12386 Posts
On October 16 2017 06:05 Big J wrote: The prognosis is SPÖ 26.9/26.8 to FPÖ 26/26.3 according to ARGE/SORA institutes. The actual counted result at the moment (without prognosis) is FPÖ 27.4 and SPÖ 26.7. Not sure where you have your numbers from. Possibly a less recent prognosis, could still be updated we have time before deadline. Even if the difference is symbolic I still like that the far right doesn't get second, if that's where we're headed. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On October 16 2017 02:53 mahrgell wrote: And as I wrote this, some projections actually consider it possible that SPD+Green might get a 1 seat majority. I guess this will become a very long night. This would be a huge slap in the face of the CDU. If they had waited simply for the elections in March, they would have beaten the government for sure. Them trying to shorten the governments life by half a year might have cost them the next 4 years. Just some drive-by nitpicking: It appears lower saxony has a 5 year election period, just like (I think) most other states of germany do. | ||
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