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Sjw is an attempt at discrediting people of differing opinions without engaging said opinion.
In my opinion. I can see the appeal of using it to describe certain actions and I even agree that the introduction of safe spaces is only useful in context.
Mirroring the oppression can be very insightful for the silent majority to live the life of a minority member. But it might just deteriorate to a felt restriction of free speech by those subjected to it when not moderated.
I suspect many "normal"people after living in the skin of a marginalized minority for a brief period will go bonkers.
"That's awful how can you live like that?!"
"Well genius, that's not up to me."
For example a friend of mine was sitting in a bar with her girlfriend.
A very liberal bar.
And at some point a random bloke sits down at their table and rants about how disgusting they are and that he knows the owner of the place and will have them thrown out and that he'd fuck them good.
Yeah. Nice.
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I just don't understand how social justice warrior is supposed to be an insult. Like logically the group that thinks this is an insulting term are opposed to it? like wudda.
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On October 13 2017 22:59 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I just don't understand how social justice warrior is supposed to be an insult. Like logically the group that thinks this is an insulting term are opposed to it? like wudda.
If you go out of your way to surround yourself with people (digital or not) who consider it an insult, the end result seems fairly easy to pin down.
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On October 13 2017 22:59 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I just don't understand how social justice warrior is supposed to be an insult. Like logically the group that thinks this is an insulting term are opposed to it? like wudda.
It's an insult because the person who calls someone a sjw thinks the guy's version of social justice is how Antifa or the violent wing of BLM view justice. It's like calling someone a communist because you think they want to send the rich to gulags. This is what communists/sjws did, but this is not what communism/social justice should be about.
I really don't get why it's so hard to understand. SJW as an insult means pretty much an intellectually dishonest leftist.
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This is literally the first time I've seen "intellectually dishonest" associated with SJW, and I've seen interactions in which people are called SJWs many, many times. So that could be part of why it's hard to understand.
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Is "SJW" actually used in public discourse outside the US? In Czech Republic, this word is virtually unknown to people who don't visit international internet, has no direct Czech equivalent and never appears in media. There is a similar term - "sluníčkář" (sunshine boy?) used as derogatory to people who are socially progressive, such as pro-LGBT and pro-refuge, but I don't think the connotations are the same.
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Yeah, there is like "gutmensch" in german but thats not really the same and more aims at romantic left people that want to help as many people as much as (im)possible.
But the sort of people described by it exist. They are cool people but often plain delusional about whats possible. But we need them.
The internet mob that is overeager just made it a slur for everyone not 100% on their page. I'm like a realistic leftist and the bullshit that leads to outrage on the internet is just not related to reality AND extremly US based. The whole black/white issue is nowhere near the same here, there are issues but they are not the same.
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"gutmensch" is probably closer to Czech "dobroser" (good-shitter), which, on second thought, is actually a better fit for "SJW" in local parlance. But the key point really is that the issues in the US are very different.
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Someone propose a contest for the Germanization of SJW on r/de. I want my Gesellschaftliche Justiz Krieger!
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That sounds like a term out of hellboy or the Wolfenstein series 
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On October 14 2017 01:11 Big J wrote:
Someone propose a contest for the Germanization of SJW on r/de. I want my Gesellschaftliche Justiz Krieger!
I can't believe you came up with something that is not a single word, are you even a real German speaker? 
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On October 14 2017 00:39 opisska wrote:
Is "SJW" actually used in public discourse outside the US? In Czech Republic, this word is virtually unknown to people who don't visit international internet, has no direct Czech equivalent and never appears in media. There is a similar term - "sluníčkář" (sunshine boy?) used as derogatory to people who are socially progressive, such as pro-LGBT and pro-refuge, but I don't think the connotations are the same.
Not that I know of. I've never heard the term outside of this forum.
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There are some similar ideas even if we don't have the term. I've certainly already heard in french that "the left" (typically a combination of center left and center right that is called the left) pushes for a "pensée unique" (a single thought) and tries to suppress speech that is outside the norm.
It's probably the closest that we have. And it's just as silly.
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On October 14 2017 01:14 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 01:11 Big J wrote:
Someone propose a contest for the Germanization of SJW on r/de. I want my Gesellschaftliche Justiz Krieger! I can't believe you came up with something that is not a single word, are you even a real German speaker?
I have some Czech and French ancestors. It's been barely a few hundred years that my family lived on German speaking ground. Real Integration is not as easy as you leftists believe.
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Along with the wierd and scary corners of the internet in my search for the meaning of "sjw" I also found from https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/social_justice_warrior
noun
informal, derogatory
A person who expresses or promotes socially progressive views.
So yes, it does appear to be intended to be used as an insult at least in USA, and in the areas of the internet that do use such terms. Searching for "social justice warrior" using Google News section has lead me to reading various media on the phenomenon, (all of which appears to be American mainstream media, so it appears to be mainly an American phenomenom, which makes the usage of the word in the European thread somewhat puzzling, but probably part of the interchange of political ideas that is normal discourse and the internet) the consensus is that the term is as a broad insult intended to shut down debate, used not by the political group fighting for social justice, but against it.
Why anyone would want to insult those fighting for social justice or for expressing or promoting socially progressive views is quite the mystery to me.
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Btw I can't wait for Gesellschaftlichejustizkrieger to enter the German political discourse!
I suppose the closest British equivalent would be "do-gooder", but though it shares the same meaning, it does not have the derogatory intent.
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I oppose the americanization of this thread
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How do you feel about "Guerrier de la Justice Sociale"? It sounds kinda cool actually.
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www.urbandictionary.com has a few definitions that get the point across well, especially definition 2. But the fact that I have to resort to using UD to explain the term should show how unfortunate the use of the term is. It lost real meaning so it's best to just mock more directly the behavior.
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this whole "gutmensch" / sjw thing seems to have fallen out of favour in Germany (and Europe I guess?) again and I hope we can keep it that way. The only thing it was good for was to know that you could stop talking to the person who used the term unironically.
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On October 14 2017 01:52 TheDwf wrote:
I oppose the americanization of this thread
We are mocking something that the Americans do, I feel that's a very european attitude =)
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