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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 12 2017 07:56 LegalLord wrote: The fuss could be easily avoided if there weren't a vocal contingency of social revisionists intent to see anything and everything possible as racism. The classic argument that people talking about racism and the history of racism are really causing racism. | ||
Nixer
2774 Posts
You should probably look into why people are and why they become racist. That argument is something I'd expect to see in the Huffington Post or on 4chan, come on now. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
I think in this case many of the criticisms being made of Dove with respect to the advertisement are off-base - potentially the ad should be replaced but I don't think there is a viable argument that Dove actually intended any racial message besides "you're beautiful no matter what the colour of your skin is". That being said I also don't think that the mistake being made by these people wanting to boycott Dove or whatever justifies the existence of other material which is in fact motivated by racism. edit: (and as a corollary,) Nor do I think that the fact that mistakes are sometimes made means that the entire group of "people who call things racist" should be condemned. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On October 12 2017 13:09 Danglars wrote: Happy 500th anniversary of the protestant reformation, Europe. Happy forthcoming 100th anniversary of the Communist Revolution, Americas! | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18277 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On October 12 2017 08:00 sc-darkness wrote: Change the order because some crybaby was upset? Fuck that. I don't think Dove intended to be racist, and if more people like leftists are going to use this racism card for no good reason, I'll be happy to oppose them. Personally, I have nothing against black people. I just don't like forced racism cards. Nö. You misunderstood what I was saying. I argued that it's possible the fuss could've been avoided of they used a different order. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 12 2017 19:09 SK.Testie wrote: If only they had followed the guidelines set out by intersectionality and critical theory. Those naive fools at Dove would never be in this mess! They really should follow the proper format of the oppression stack. Or been mildly aware of their own industries history. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
On October 12 2017 19:09 SK.Testie wrote: If only they had followed the guidelines set out by intersectionality and critical theory. Those naive fools at Dove would never be in this mess! They really should follow the proper format of the oppression stack. Here's a test for testie; do you need critical theory to understand that soap ads like this are racist and readily comparable with the Dove ad in question? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f5/04/ad/f504ad1c7ff3da9397ccc10c3ab624f7.jpg) | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On October 12 2017 16:44 Artisreal wrote: Nö. You misunderstood what I was saying. I argued that it's possible the fuss could've been avoided of they used a different order. I understood you completely. I'm just saying order shouldn't be changed even if some crybaby is going to be upset. In my opinion, Dove didn't make a mistake. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:05 sc-darkness wrote: I understood you completely. I'm just saying order shouldn't be changed even if some crybaby is going to be upset. In my opinion, Dove didn't make a mistake. Under the assumption that you are in no way in control over Dove, I believe it's not up to you to tell them what "should be" done either, else you are just mirroring the behaviour of the people you call crybabies, trying to claim some moral high ground for yourself. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:17 Big J wrote: Under the assumption that you are in no way in control over Dove, I believe it's not up to you to tell them what "should be" done either, else you are just mirroring the behaviour of the people you call crybabies, trying to claim some moral high ground for yourself. I'm not telling Dove what to do. I'm expressing an opinion. Yes, crybabies have their opinion too. I don't agree with it but they have an opinion. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:38 sc-darkness wrote: I'm not telling Dove what to do. I'm expressing an opinion. Yes, crybabies have their opinion too. I don't agree with it but they have an opinion. You can state your opinion. People can then give their opinion on how flawed, terrible, uninformed or simply dumb that opinion is. Stating your opinion out loud or posting it has the consequence of people disagreeing with it. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:38 sc-darkness wrote: I'm not telling Dove what to do. I'm expressing an opinion. Yes, crybabies have their opinion too. I don't agree with it but they have an opinion. You gave a pretty strong opinion that is directly opposed to that of the company, which called the advertisment a mistake. You're doing exactly what you critizise others for, taking a moral high ground over them and even the legal owners/producers opinion, by voicing how things "should be". | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 13 2017 07:07 sc-darkness wrote: Nope, it's my opinion and it's not loud. You need to go read more about freedom of speech. There's not more to discuss here with you whether you like it or not. I won't change my opinion because some of you feel the need to be funny. You do know freedom of speech does not protect you on this website, right? You might need to read up on that do you think it applies to this discussion. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On October 13 2017 07:07 sc-darkness wrote: I think you misunderstood the meaning of freedom of speech. No one is preventing you from taking a political action against the government here.Nope, it's my opinion and it's not loud. You need to go read more about freedom of speech. There's not more to discuss here with you whether you like it or not. I won't change my opinion because some of you feel the need to be funny. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11813 Posts
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On October 13 2017 07:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I think you misunderstood the meaning of freedom of speech. No one is preventing you from taking a political action against the government here. Freedom of speech isn't limited to an action against the government. It's also the right to express your opinion online. Anyway, enough with offtopic. I'm not going to write more comments about this issue because I don't think it's necessary. On October 13 2017 07:29 Simberto wrote: The big problem i have with this whole thing is that to dove, it might as well say "Better don't put people of colour in your ads". Because if all the people in the ad had been white, no one would have cared at all. That's the problem. "But there are no ethnicities in this ad! It's racist!" Ad has people of different background, then this sort of shit happens. You can't please everyone. | ||
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