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Sent.
Poland9254 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
 Still, too many voters for Le Idiot. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
Edit: Actually they're 2nd to Greece. http://www.politico.eu/article/poll-the-eu-is-bad-news-but-britain-shouldnt-leave-it/ Maybe the EU will swing their way now, but that will cause more discontent in NL, Denmark, Germany, etc. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Saying "I'm going to abstain because my vote doesn't matter" is like saying "I'm not going to take a flu shot because everyone else already is". Aka, fucking stupid. Another reason I think France will not elect Le Pen is that she looks like Trump too much. The French naturally dislike les Américains (well maybe not dislike but they sure think they're better), so they'll think that they're better than the USA by not voting for the populist shit-head that is Le Pen. | ||
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Othryoneus
9 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28716 Posts
On April 25 2017 08:55 Othryoneus wrote: The left should stay home so Le Pen gets elected. There is no other way to punish the center and the center right. If even France goes full neoliberal, Europe is completely fucked. Now with England gone, we can take on the Germans and bring sense to Eurozone monetary policy. As a leftist, why on earth would I choose to punish the center to reward the far-right? | ||
Poopi
France12906 Posts
.But maybe if you go to the left when you are at the extreme left, it goes directly to the far right, in which case his theory would make sense. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28716 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Unless immigration is really the #1 issue of the time in France, but idk how that's possible given that they don't get to vote. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
On April 25 2017 10:19 cLutZ wrote: Can someone from France explain how Le Pen is considered so threatening to the status quo? Her economic illiteracy is the same as all the other candidates (except the one that finished 3rd), and my understanding is that if she tries to unilaterally do something on EU you can no-confidence vote and get a new President? Unless immigration is really the #1 issue of the time in France, but idk how that's possible given that they don't get to vote. Why do you consider Macron economically illiterate? In the realm of ideas, Le Pen comes from the same place fascism came from. We tried it out a whole ago on this side of the pond and it left us a really bad taste in our mouths. Edit: to add a little bit of seriousness to the snark, she doesn't have to unilaterally try to leave the EU - nor could she - but I'm guessing she could call s referendum which would run the risk of going the same way the UK did. To everyone in Europe, that is real economic and social upheaval if it happens. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 25 2017 10:42 warding wrote: Why do you consider Macron economically illiterate? In the realm of ideas, Le Pen comes from the same place fascism came from. We tried it out a whole ago on this side of the pond and it left us a really bad taste in our mouths. Edit: to add a little bit of seriousness to the snark, she doesn't have to unilaterally try to leave the EU - nor could she - but I'm guessing she could call s referendum which would run the risk of going the same way the UK did. To everyone in Europe, that is real economic and social upheaval if it happens. Its my understanding he is marketed as an "economic centrist/realist" but doesn't have anything about the early retirement age, 35 hr work week, or pension cuts in his platform. Also I haven't seen a plan for reducing the youth unemployment rate. He's fine elsewhere, and certainly better than Le Pen, but I dont see why she's cataclysmic. The immigration thing, IMO seems like a predictable response to a country with a large welfare state. Open borders or a welfare state, pick one, is the old Milton Friedman saying. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18132 Posts
On April 25 2017 11:53 cLutZ wrote: Its my understanding he is marketed as an "economic centrist/realist" but doesn't have anything about the early retirement age, 35 hr work week, or pension cuts in his platform. Also I haven't seen a plan for reducing the youth unemployment rate. He's fine elsewhere, and certainly better than Le Pen, but I dont see why she's cataclysmic. The immigration thing, IMO seems like a predictable response to a country with a large welfare state. Open borders or a welfare state, pick one, is the old Milton Friedman saying. She's cataclysmic because she's a slightly more disguised neonazi than her father was, but the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. As for her leaving FN: I don't think she's unpalatable because of FN, in fact the reverse may well be true (although FN has plenty of other neonazi scum who hide it even less well than Marine Le Pen does, she was just in the spotlight a lot more than them). So leaving FN shouldn't do her any good at all. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On April 25 2017 10:19 cLutZ wrote: Can someone from France explain how Le Pen is considered so threatening to the status quo? Her economic illiteracy is the same as all the other candidates (except the one that finished 3rd), and my understanding is that if she tries to unilaterally do something on EU you can no-confidence vote and get a new President? Unless immigration is really the #1 issue of the time in France, but idk how that's possible given that they don't get to vote. There's more way to mess with a country than to vote. Immigration is definitely an issue in France in my opinion; but the solution isn't to do a complete 180 and restrict immigration to 10,000 migrants per year, on top of other silly regulations such as abolishing dual citizenship for non-European citizens (and Russia, go figure), etc. As far as her program goes, it's really all about putting French citizens first, to the point of removing any and all school program allowing for children to learn the native tongue of their parents if they are born to immigrants; that kind of stuff. Beyond her program, which again is all about nationalistic protectionism, there's her very obvious ties to Russia, her blatant corruption and the fact that she doesn't seem too keen on things such as freedom of press and the right to protest against police brutality. If you can understand French I'd recommend reading her 144 measures for France. It'd give you a good idea. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18132 Posts
On April 25 2017 12:37 cLutZ wrote: What are her other Nazi-ish tendencies (no good reporting of this in the US) other than anti-immigration? https://www.google.es/amp/www.vox.com/platform/amp/world/2017/4/21/15358708/marine-le-pen-french-elections-far-right-front-national | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 25 2017 13:23 Acrofales wrote: https://www.google.es/amp/www.vox.com/platform/amp/world/2017/4/21/15358708/marine-le-pen-french-elections-far-right-front-national I mean, I know your flair says Spain, but that is like citing infowars... and it doesnt even really answer the question. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On April 25 2017 06:56 Poopi wrote: A lot of models predict Macron winning with a probability of 100.0%, as for the results I guess it'll depends on the next two weeks. Model prediction and 100.0% should never be mentioned in the same sentence. "A lot of models" are pure bullshit if they're citing that number. And I'd consider mid to high 90s to be believable. On April 25 2017 11:53 cLutZ wrote: Its my understanding he is marketed as an "economic centrist/realist" but doesn't have anything about the early retirement age, 35 hr work week, or pension cuts in his platform. Also I haven't seen a plan for reducing the youth unemployment rate. He's fine elsewhere, and certainly better than Le Pen, but I dont see why she's cataclysmic. The immigration thing, IMO seems like a predictable response to a country with a large welfare state. Open borders or a welfare state, pick one, is the old Milton Friedman saying. It's just the left/right divide, Euro-version. The left will hype doom and gloom, the right will get welfare points from people tired of dialogue norms, and the marketing on market-friendliness is not much more than posturing. I read the thread and talked to leftist French expats and haven't heard anything out of the ordinary. She's bad in conventional ways. Bad debater, majority bad policy suggestions. | ||
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