European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 626

On December 22 2016 02:00 Sent. wrote:


Yeah I bet conspiracy theorists everywhere think the attack was a false flag operation now

On December 22 2016 02:14 TheDwf wrote:

Something similar happened with the Charlie Hebdo attack...

On December 22 2016 02:03 LegalLord wrote:

What's definitely true is that Germany's police done fucked if it just so happens that it's not their guy. I would think ISIS operatives would be smart enough to plant a false lead in the truck just to discredit the intel folk.

On December 22 2016 02:29 LegalLord wrote:

They should follow the lead. The problem is that the fact that they don't already have the person in question is a sign of them being bad.

On December 22 2016 02:29 LegalLord wrote:

They should follow the lead. The problem is that the fact that they don't already have the person in question is a sign of them being bad.

On December 22 2016 02:38 LegalLord wrote:

At the very least they should have enough security cam footage to track the person.

On December 22 2016 02:33 Reaps wrote:
Well it seems yet again the suspect was known to authorities

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/germany-launches-europe-wide-manhunt-for-tunisian-suspect/ar-BBxoqSR?li=BBoPRmx

The man is in his early 20s and apparently has used various identities, said Stephan Mayer, a senior lawmaker with Germany's governing conservatives. He said the man was considered part of the "Salafist-Islamist scene" by authorities and apparently had previously spent time in pre-deportation detention in Germany after his asylum application was rejected.

On December 22 2016 03:27 Big J wrote:


This is the one thing I just don't get from my fellow left-wingers: Why the fuck do they suddenly tolerate extremist-religious people so much. Religion is the opium of the people, it has always been, it will always be. They managed to reform most of European Christian Churches to a somewhat tolerable level, but when it comes to islamic fundamentalists teaching and propagating within our states, we are suddenly the vanguard of giving religions special treatment?

On December 22 2016 03:32 TheDwf wrote:

To whom are you thinking?

On December 22 2016 05:23 MyTHicaL wrote:
Germans tend to vote on policies not out of raw emotion (.. I figure I have to qualify this as in recent times without meaning to bring anything up). The vetting process should be reviewed but this isn't the states. I mean the world went from thinking that 1/4 of you were ignorant now we can assume that its risen to at least 1/2.

As for people blaming relligion; it completely depends but it is the same liberal attitude applied to everyone, it's for that reason that you see neo-nazi parades running around Dover, England. Should there be limits to freedom of speech? If so what limits and who gets to subjectively decide on each specific case? Inciting violence is obviously not in everyone's best interest but words can be twisted if for example the orator is simply asking people to march/manifest. It's an extremely difficult balance to find.

Also this story is obviously getting so much attention but where was the story about the refugee camp who gift-wrapped a potential terror threat and phoned the police? Alienating an entire community is not the way forward. Trucks seem to be a recurring threat, in this particular case the owner of the company (whose cousin was the Pole murdered in the truck) said that ignition was attempted, then finally left on for an hour "as if he was trying to learn how to drive the truck". It could be possible to implement programs which would alert security forces to the potential of a truck, which should have been acting normally through the control of an experienced driver, as a threat.

On December 22 2016 04:04 Mohdoo wrote:
I think Merkle is toast unless she comes down hard on immigration and refugee stuff between now and the next election.

On December 22 2016 06:20 Mohdoo wrote:


Logical or not, the increase in refugees coinciding with sexual assault and terrorism is going to make a pretty obvious situation. Whether it is statistically few or not, it can easily be said that the absence of these people in their entirety would also result in the absence of these attacks in their entirety.

So German people are faced with the question of: Is saving 20,000 refugees worth 12 German lives? If they knew one of those 12 would be a family member, would they save those 20,000 refugees?

People feeling afraid or hesitant to visit a Christmas event is a downright erosion of culture and an enormous blow to the glory of Germany. They are losing a lot more than lives by spending their money on refugees.

On December 22 2016 05:23 MyTHicaL wrote:
As for people blaming relligion; it completely depends but it is the same liberal attitude applied to everyone, it's for that reason that you see neo-nazi parades running around Dover, England. Should there be limits to freedom of speech? If so what limits and who gets to subjectively decide on each specific case? Inciting violence is obviously not in everyone's best interest but words can be twisted if for example the orator is simply asking people to march/manifest. It's an extremely difficult balance to find.

On December 22 2016 06:20 Mohdoo wrote:

So German people are faced with the question of: Is saving 20,000 refugees worth 12 German lives? If they knew one of those 12 would be a family member, would they save those 20,000 refugees?

On December 22 2016 06:22 Big J wrote:


Obviously it is a difficult balance, yet, for example in my view it is intolerable how laissez-faire we are with controlling Imams. It is a very delicate profession (just like any other religious leader who holds great power over spiritual people) and it should not be left to be taught by "whoever some Saudi-Arabian institute sends to us and pays for".
There need to be standards, there needs to be a responsibility for when someone preaches hatred and the state and the public need to have easy access to all activities and obviously the mosques have to accept all the liberal rights of society just as all other churches should. There cannot be a dispute about what you wear to a mosque when it is not perceived offensive in any other place of the society.
People have fought long and hard so that European churches accepted (most) liberal standards and the same has to be expected from Islam. It is not about freedom of speech, it is about parallel statesque organizations within a state, dubious financing, other states' influence and all of that stuff that is going on under the label "religious freedom". Fuck that, I'm not interested in seeing religious fanatics waving a cross being elected because the left doesn't have the guts to explain the difference between being liberal towards those in need and being rigorous towards breeding islamic right-winged extremists out of them.