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Although this thread does not function under the same strict guidelines as the USPMT, it is still a general practice on TL to provide a source with an explanation on why it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion. Failure to do so will result in a mod action.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-11 17:42:27
December 11 2016 17:32 GMT
#12361
there will be some preliminary results in ~1h30min (38% voter turnout so far).
the dudes here are socialists; one can blame the oldies and the ones longing for them good ol' communist times, ...but the dudes here are socialists(centrists or otherwise).
PSD(social-democratic party) is expected to win with about ~45% and make a coalition with some other small party to push it over 50% for a majority.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9233 Posts
December 11 2016 17:58 GMT
#12362
What's PSD's stance on Russia and the EU? Are there any major disagreements regarding foreing policy in Romania?
You're now breathing manually
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
December 11 2016 18:10 GMT
#12363
On December 12 2016 02:58 Sent. wrote:
What's PSD's stance on Russia and the EU? Are there any major disagreements regarding foreing policy in Romania?

Every party is pro EU, it would be political suicide to be otherwise. There's no hint from anyone of leaning towards Russia, the Russian government has an extremely poor image here.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
December 11 2016 22:06 GMT
#12364
exit poll:
PSD - 45,4 % (social democrats, center left)
PNL - 21,0 % (conservative liberals, center right)
USR - 9,4 % (save Romania union; ran on an anti-corruption campaign; national-liberal'ish)
UDMR – 6,8 % (magyar minority party; sell themselves to the highest bidder to score some ministerial posts)
ALDE - 6,4 % (liberal democrats, center-right)
PMP - 4,7 % (liberal breakaway party turned populist, economic liberals; center-right, )
PRU - 2,5 l% (some ex-PSD turned far right)

@Sent.: throughout the years, various politicians(both from the left and from the right) tried to hint at some kind of subordination to the russians of whomever turned out to be on the other side, but it never scored (political)points here so eventually, the scaremongering scheme was dropped.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28695 Posts
December 11 2016 22:26 GMT
#12365
only 2.5% favoring vlad the impaler

xmz whats the likely government you think? PSD with either UDMR or ALDE support?
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-11 22:36:18
December 11 2016 22:34 GMT
#12366
PSD president stated already that the choice is ALDE.
for more overall details http://www.politico.eu/article/romanias-social-democrats-win-parliamentary-election-tv-exit-poll/
Liviu Dragnea, the current PSD leader, said immediately after the exit polls that his party would go for an alliance with ALDE, a party run by Senate leader and former premier Călin Popescu-Tăriceanu. Exit polls said ALDE had won 6.3 percent of the vote.

Edit: PSD has some unfinished business with UDMR; with UDMR changing sides frequently, there were some back stabbings throughout the years. now they're holding grudges.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 15 2016 14:02 GMT
#12367
The German government has for the first time deported Afghan asylum seekers, sending 34 back to Kabul on a chartered flight last night. Hundreds of protesters — both Afghan and German — marched against the deportations at Frankfurt Airport where the flight departed.

The migrants' requests for asylum had been denied.

Protesters complained that the government action is misguided, given that Afghanistan is still at war with the Taliban, which effectively controls much of the country. Protesters say there is no mechanism in place to ensure the safety of the deportees once they return.

Other German critics accused Chancellor Angela Merkel's government of using such deportations to win back voters who are leaning towards the nationalist, anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD) party, which is steadily gaining in the polls.

"[Interior Minister] Thomas de Maiziere apparently panicked because of the AfD and now is playing the strongman," German Greens MP Omid Nouripour told public broadcaster ARD. "He put on this show instead of addressing a bitterly serious issue."

At a news conference this morning in Berlin, de Maiziere defended the deportations.

"When someone doesn't have a right to international protection and is deportable, then he must leave Germany unless there are concrete obstacles to that deportation," de Maziere said.

He added that voluntary repatriation is the German government's preferred way of getting rid of migrants who don't qualify for asylum, but that people won't leave unless they see the German government is serious about deportations.

De Maiziere said 50 people had originally been scheduled to leave on last night's charter flight, but that some received a last-minute stay from German courts while others could not be found because they went into hiding.

The interior minister said the deportees who were on board arrived in Kabul this morning and were received by Afghan refugee officials, the International Organization for Migration and German embassy personnel.

"Of those 34 [on the plane], about a third were criminals," he added. "They'd been convicted of theft, robbery, narcotics offenses and even rape and homicide."

An Afghan man arrested earlier this month in the rape and murder of a Freiburg medical student wasn't among them because he needs to be tried here, de Maiziere said. The Afghan, who is said to be 20, has not been identified in German media as per privacy laws here.

The interior minister said the suspect had been sentenced in 2013 in Greece for mugging a young woman and pushing her off a cliff, but that he was paroled last October. When he failed to report to his probation officer, Greek police issued a national warrant to arrest him rather than an international one, something de Maiziere described as "especially frustrating."

The lack of an international warrant meant the suspect didn't show up in any European-wide data base.

Tens of thousands of Afghan migrants were allowed into Germany among the wave of asylum seekers that reached Europe via the Mediterranean in 2015. Germany has since been less welcoming, attempting to distinguish between refugees from conflict zones and so-called economic migrants who come to Europe in search of a higher standard of living.

So far, most of the Afghan repatriations from Germany have been voluntary, with Merkel's government offering financial incentives to Afghans whose asylum claims were rejected and who agree to return to Kabul.

But German officials say they plan to forcibly return more of the 12,000 Afghans living in Germany who've been issued deportation orders.


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MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
December 15 2016 16:48 GMT
#12368
I don't really understand why you posted that. Maybe if America were to actually accept their fair share of refugees it would lighten the load on the EU...
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18077 Posts
December 15 2016 17:25 GMT
#12369
On December 16 2016 01:48 MyTHicaL wrote:
I don't really understand why you posted that. Maybe if America were to actually accept their fair share of refugees it would lighten the load on the EU...

Checks name of thread. EU politics. Yup. That's why he posted this. It's kinda what Stealthblue does: post relevant news items to the relevant threads when he comes across something interesting in one of his bajillion news feeds. Maybe you're new here?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
December 15 2016 17:32 GMT
#12370
So I read this question on Quora about the refugee crisis and its development, and one of the posters posted a timeline of their own perceptions. From "doing a great deed for the world" to "racists are mad" to Cologne to a situation the government has lost control of. I'm curious, to what extent does that account corroborate the experiences of the Germans (and perhaps other Europeans) on the evolution of the refugee crisis?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
December 15 2016 18:15 GMT
#12371
On December 16 2016 02:25 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 01:48 MyTHicaL wrote:
I don't really understand why you posted that. Maybe if America were to actually accept their fair share of refugees it would lighten the load on the EU...

Checks name of thread. EU politics. Yup. That's why he posted this. It's kinda what Stealthblue does: post relevant news items to the relevant threads when he comes across something interesting in one of his bajillion news feeds. Maybe you're new here?


It's a discussion thread not a news post thread. Especially in regards just to a quote which is hardly the most relevent issue in Europe at present. Germany who have accepted more refugees than any other country deports some, shining a poor light on Merkel; a very important leader for the world.

Everyone is scared of the far right it seems . . .
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-15 18:22:32
December 15 2016 18:21 GMT
#12372
On December 16 2016 02:32 LegalLord wrote:
So I read this question on Quora about the refugee crisis and its development, and one of the posters posted a timeline of their own perceptions. From "doing a great deed for the world" to "racists are mad" to Cologne to a situation the government has lost control of. I'm curious, to what extent does that account corroborate the experiences of the Germans (and perhaps other Europeans) on the evolution of the refugee crisis?


I think that's more or less just the media landscape of the situation, not the actual situation, the Cologne assault thing doesn't actually change anything about the bigger questions concerning asylum policies, it's not like these people invented sexual assault. I think the most stressful point was probably late last summer when the number of arrivals was really high and the responsible administrations couldn't process people. Since then they've pretty much worked through the backlog and the numbers are way down.

If you want the popular opinion you can just follow Merkels popularity, which has recovered somewhat over the last few months.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18077 Posts
December 15 2016 18:26 GMT
#12373
On December 16 2016 03:15 MyTHicaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 02:25 Acrofales wrote:
On December 16 2016 01:48 MyTHicaL wrote:
I don't really understand why you posted that. Maybe if America were to actually accept their fair share of refugees it would lighten the load on the EU...

Checks name of thread. EU politics. Yup. That's why he posted this. It's kinda what Stealthblue does: post relevant news items to the relevant threads when he comes across something interesting in one of his bajillion news feeds. Maybe you're new here?


It's a discussion thread not a news post thread. Especially in regards just to a quote which is hardly the most relevent issue in Europe at present. Germany who have accepted more refugees than any other country deports some, shining a poor light on Merkel; a very important leader for the world.

Everyone is scared of the far right it seems . . .

Usually Stealthblue posts discussion-provoking articles. Case-in-point, we're discussing it. You seem to think he is posting it with an agenda of criticizing Merkel. I expect he is just posting it because it is actually quite interesting and he has no hidden agenda.

I personally don't see anything wrong with Germany deporting some of the people who got their asylum denied. And of course her political opponents are going to yell. The right are going to say "you see, opening the borders was a mistake", and the left is going to say "this is outrageous, they cannot go back to the warzone that is Kabul". Despite the fact that this seems like a pretty standard action in one of the most sane migration policies of Europe. I, however, also don't see anything wrong with pointing out that it is happening, or discussing it.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 15 2016 20:55 GMT
#12374
Well, to be fair {CC}StealthBlue just posts random news every now and then with no real discussion or context. It's a bit bizarre but apparently this it is fine because he is allowed to do so.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 19 2016 20:05 GMT
#12375




So far two are reported dead.

This is the right thread for this isn't it?
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9233 Posts
December 19 2016 20:14 GMT
#12376
There was also a shooting in some "muslim centre" (mosque?) in Zurych. Some media went full tinfoil hat and started asking if it's related to events in Turkey lol.

My TV says 9 deaths confirmed in Germany.
You're now breathing manually
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
December 19 2016 20:19 GMT
#12377
Damn, at the beginning I thought it would 'only' be 1 casuality, the count is rising fast
Dating thread on TL LUL
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
December 19 2016 20:20 GMT
#12378
Here we go again
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
December 19 2016 20:32 GMT
#12379
2016 striking again
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-19 20:45:09
December 19 2016 20:38 GMT
#12380
My thoughts are with the victims. Let's hope (and pray, if you like to) that it's a case where everything is alreday over once it makes the news.

ARD (biggest german public tv channel, usually reliable) says police said the driver is arrested, the codriver apparently dead.
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