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there will be some preliminary results in ~1h30min (38% voter turnout so far). the dudes here are socialists; one can blame the oldies and the ones longing for them good ol' communist times, ...but the dudes here are socialists(centrists or otherwise). PSD(social-democratic party) is expected to win with about ~45% and make a coalition with some other small party to push it over 50% for a majority.
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What's PSD's stance on Russia and the EU? Are there any major disagreements regarding foreing policy in Romania?
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On December 12 2016 02:58 Sent. wrote: What's PSD's stance on Russia and the EU? Are there any major disagreements regarding foreing policy in Romania? Every party is pro EU, it would be political suicide to be otherwise. There's no hint from anyone of leaning towards Russia, the Russian government has an extremely poor image here.
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exit poll: PSD - 45,4 % (social democrats, center left) PNL - 21,0 % (conservative liberals, center right) USR - 9,4 % (save Romania union; ran on an anti-corruption campaign; national-liberal'ish) UDMR – 6,8 % (magyar minority party; sell themselves to the highest bidder to score some ministerial posts) ALDE - 6,4 % (liberal democrats, center-right) PMP - 4,7 % (liberal breakaway party turned populist, economic liberals; center-right, ) PRU - 2,5 l% (some ex-PSD turned far right)
@Sent.: throughout the years, various politicians(both from the left and from the right) tried to hint at some kind of subordination to the russians of whomever turned out to be on the other side, but it never scored (political)points here so eventually, the scaremongering scheme was dropped.
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only 2.5% favoring vlad the impaler
xmz whats the likely government you think? PSD with either UDMR or ALDE support?
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PSD president stated already that the choice is ALDE. for more overall details http://www.politico.eu/article/romanias-social-democrats-win-parliamentary-election-tv-exit-poll/ Liviu Dragnea, the current PSD leader, said immediately after the exit polls that his party would go for an alliance with ALDE, a party run by Senate leader and former premier Călin Popescu-Tăriceanu. Exit polls said ALDE had won 6.3 percent of the vote. Edit: PSD has some unfinished business with UDMR; with UDMR changing sides frequently, there were some back stabbings throughout the years. now they're holding grudges.
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The German government has for the first time deported Afghan asylum seekers, sending 34 back to Kabul on a chartered flight last night. Hundreds of protesters — both Afghan and German — marched against the deportations at Frankfurt Airport where the flight departed.
The migrants' requests for asylum had been denied.
Protesters complained that the government action is misguided, given that Afghanistan is still at war with the Taliban, which effectively controls much of the country. Protesters say there is no mechanism in place to ensure the safety of the deportees once they return.
Other German critics accused Chancellor Angela Merkel's government of using such deportations to win back voters who are leaning towards the nationalist, anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD) party, which is steadily gaining in the polls.
"[Interior Minister] Thomas de Maiziere apparently panicked because of the AfD and now is playing the strongman," German Greens MP Omid Nouripour told public broadcaster ARD. "He put on this show instead of addressing a bitterly serious issue."
At a news conference this morning in Berlin, de Maiziere defended the deportations.
"When someone doesn't have a right to international protection and is deportable, then he must leave Germany unless there are concrete obstacles to that deportation," de Maziere said.
He added that voluntary repatriation is the German government's preferred way of getting rid of migrants who don't qualify for asylum, but that people won't leave unless they see the German government is serious about deportations.
De Maiziere said 50 people had originally been scheduled to leave on last night's charter flight, but that some received a last-minute stay from German courts while others could not be found because they went into hiding.
The interior minister said the deportees who were on board arrived in Kabul this morning and were received by Afghan refugee officials, the International Organization for Migration and German embassy personnel.
"Of those 34 [on the plane], about a third were criminals," he added. "They'd been convicted of theft, robbery, narcotics offenses and even rape and homicide."
An Afghan man arrested earlier this month in the rape and murder of a Freiburg medical student wasn't among them because he needs to be tried here, de Maiziere said. The Afghan, who is said to be 20, has not been identified in German media as per privacy laws here.
The interior minister said the suspect had been sentenced in 2013 in Greece for mugging a young woman and pushing her off a cliff, but that he was paroled last October. When he failed to report to his probation officer, Greek police issued a national warrant to arrest him rather than an international one, something de Maiziere described as "especially frustrating."
The lack of an international warrant meant the suspect didn't show up in any European-wide data base.
Tens of thousands of Afghan migrants were allowed into Germany among the wave of asylum seekers that reached Europe via the Mediterranean in 2015. Germany has since been less welcoming, attempting to distinguish between refugees from conflict zones and so-called economic migrants who come to Europe in search of a higher standard of living.
So far, most of the Afghan repatriations from Germany have been voluntary, with Merkel's government offering financial incentives to Afghans whose asylum claims were rejected and who agree to return to Kabul.
But German officials say they plan to forcibly return more of the 12,000 Afghans living in Germany who've been issued deportation orders.
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I don't really understand why you posted that. Maybe if America were to actually accept their fair share of refugees it would lighten the load on the EU...
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On December 16 2016 01:48 MyTHicaL wrote: I don't really understand why you posted that. Maybe if America were to actually accept their fair share of refugees it would lighten the load on the EU... Checks name of thread. EU politics. Yup. That's why he posted this. It's kinda what Stealthblue does: post relevant news items to the relevant threads when he comes across something interesting in one of his bajillion news feeds. Maybe you're new here?
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So I read this question on Quora about the refugee crisis and its development, and one of the posters posted a timeline of their own perceptions. From "doing a great deed for the world" to "racists are mad" to Cologne to a situation the government has lost control of. I'm curious, to what extent does that account corroborate the experiences of the Germans (and perhaps other Europeans) on the evolution of the refugee crisis?
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On December 16 2016 02:25 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 01:48 MyTHicaL wrote: I don't really understand why you posted that. Maybe if America were to actually accept their fair share of refugees it would lighten the load on the EU... Checks name of thread. EU politics. Yup. That's why he posted this. It's kinda what Stealthblue does: post relevant news items to the relevant threads when he comes across something interesting in one of his bajillion news feeds. Maybe you're new here?
It's a discussion thread not a news post thread. Especially in regards just to a quote which is hardly the most relevent issue in Europe at present. Germany who have accepted more refugees than any other country deports some, shining a poor light on Merkel; a very important leader for the world.
Everyone is scared of the far right it seems . . .
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On December 16 2016 02:32 LegalLord wrote:So I read this question on Quora about the refugee crisis and its development, and one of the posters posted a timeline of their own perceptions. From "doing a great deed for the world" to "racists are mad" to Cologne to a situation the government has lost control of. I'm curious, to what extent does that account corroborate the experiences of the Germans (and perhaps other Europeans) on the evolution of the refugee crisis?
I think that's more or less just the media landscape of the situation, not the actual situation, the Cologne assault thing doesn't actually change anything about the bigger questions concerning asylum policies, it's not like these people invented sexual assault. I think the most stressful point was probably late last summer when the number of arrivals was really high and the responsible administrations couldn't process people. Since then they've pretty much worked through the backlog and the numbers are way down.
If you want the popular opinion you can just follow Merkels popularity, which has recovered somewhat over the last few months.
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On December 16 2016 03:15 MyTHicaL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 02:25 Acrofales wrote:On December 16 2016 01:48 MyTHicaL wrote: I don't really understand why you posted that. Maybe if America were to actually accept their fair share of refugees it would lighten the load on the EU... Checks name of thread. EU politics. Yup. That's why he posted this. It's kinda what Stealthblue does: post relevant news items to the relevant threads when he comes across something interesting in one of his bajillion news feeds. Maybe you're new here? It's a discussion thread not a news post thread. Especially in regards just to a quote which is hardly the most relevent issue in Europe at present. Germany who have accepted more refugees than any other country deports some, shining a poor light on Merkel; a very important leader for the world. Everyone is scared of the far right it seems . . . Usually Stealthblue posts discussion-provoking articles. Case-in-point, we're discussing it. You seem to think he is posting it with an agenda of criticizing Merkel. I expect he is just posting it because it is actually quite interesting and he has no hidden agenda.
I personally don't see anything wrong with Germany deporting some of the people who got their asylum denied. And of course her political opponents are going to yell. The right are going to say "you see, opening the borders was a mistake", and the left is going to say "this is outrageous, they cannot go back to the warzone that is Kabul". Despite the fact that this seems like a pretty standard action in one of the most sane migration policies of Europe. I, however, also don't see anything wrong with pointing out that it is happening, or discussing it.
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Well, to be fair {CC}StealthBlue just posts random news every now and then with no real discussion or context. It's a bit bizarre but apparently this it is fine because he is allowed to do so.
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So far two are reported dead.
This is the right thread for this isn't it?
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There was also a shooting in some "muslim centre" (mosque?) in Zurych. Some media went full tinfoil hat and started asking if it's related to events in Turkey lol.
My TV says 9 deaths confirmed in Germany.
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Damn, at the beginning I thought it would 'only' be 1 casuality, the count is rising fast
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My thoughts are with the victims. Let's hope (and pray, if you like to) that it's a case where everything is alreday over once it makes the news.
ARD (biggest german public tv channel, usually reliable) says police said the driver is arrested, the codriver apparently dead.
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