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Laurens
Belgium4548 Posts
On December 02 2016 16:44 Ghostcom wrote: Belgium is in a class of its own. Most of the time you guys don't even have a government. Hey man, we had a standing government while the new one took 541 days to form, so technically we were never without  It's an unfortunate side-effect of having two copies of each political party, one for each half of the country. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
The EU has formally triggered arbitration against the US over the unprecedented licensing delay which has grounded plans for the first transatlantic flights from Cork Airport. The move marks a major escalation in the long- running dispute which is now facing the incoming Trump administration. The European Commission’s delegation in Washington delivered a diplomatic note to the State Department in Washington on Wednesday formally invoking the arbitration process as provided for under the EU-US Open Skies deal. The commission is in dispute with US authorities over their delay in granting a foreign carrier permit to Norwegian Air International (NAI), which wants to operate flights from Cork to Boston and New York. NAI, an Irish subsidiary of low-fares giant Norwegian, applied to the US authorities almost three years ago for a permit. But its application is facing stiff opposition from various US and EU labour unions and airlines which have claimed the airline is operating a flag of convenience model to skirt strict labour laws — a claim that the airline has repeatedly rejected. The US department of transportation granted tentative approval for the permit in April, but a final decision is still awaited. It is now the longest- pending permit application of its kind. The European Commission’s transport spokesperson, Anna-Kaisa Itkonen, confirmed last night that the formal process is now underway. She said the commission works to ensure that EU-level aviation agreements are fully respected and that EU companies are not subject to unfair treatment. The US authorities now have 20 days to name their arbitrator. Under the arbitration process, a third arbitrator will also be appointed later, by mutual consent. If the US is found to have breached the Open Skies agreement, the EU could suspend US airlines’ benefits under the 2007 agreement. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On December 02 2016 14:37 maartendq wrote: Not to defend Hollande (he is incompetent), but has it ever occured to you that it is really difficult to put a country on the right tracks when any kind of reform is immediately met with violent mass protests? Hey man, I've never protested in my life in the past 11 years I've lived in France. What can I say, it's tough governing the French. They feel they're entitled to it all. They will defend the privileges they're entitled to on smartphones and iPad's manufactured by Chinese labor working in terrible conditions, while rioting and destroying French property in the streets. "I will buy expensive tech products, as long as the person who manufactured them are Chinese. The Chinese don't deserve social protection, but I do!" Anyone who employs French people is a monstrous, slave-driving nazi liberal. French people SHOULD NOT WORK more than 35 hours a week, what a disgusting concept. Leave that to the Chinese or the Africans who manufacture our phones and cars. Not us, not the French! We are above that! That is the level of hypocrisy I see. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 02 2016 14:37 maartendq wrote: Not to defend Hollande (he is incompetent), but has it ever occured to you that it is really difficult to put a country on the right tracks when any kind of reform is immediately met with violent mass protests? This typical right-wing myth fails to mention that antisocial bills still pass even with mass protests, violent or not. That was the case in 2010 for the retirement age, that was the case for the loi Travail this year. However, certain social categories can indeed block bills which threaten their interests. Hint: they're not your average Joe/worker. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18075 Posts
On December 02 2016 19:29 TheDwf wrote: This typical right-wing myth fails to mention that antisocial bills still pass even with mass protests, violent or not. That was the case in 2010 for the retirement age, that was the case for the loi Travail this year. However, certain social categories can indeed block bills which threaten their interests. Hint: they're not your average Joe/worker. Raising the retirement age isn't anti-social. Putting an undue financial burden on young people due to the decreasing job market coupled with people living longer is anti-social. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On December 02 2016 19:29 TheDwf wrote: This typical right-wing myth fails to mention that antisocial bills still pass even with mass protests, violent or not. That was the case in 2010 for the retirement age, that was the case for the loi Travail this year. However, certain social categories can indeed block bills which threaten their interests. Hint: they're not your average Joe/worker. The loi travail which they tried to pass this summer was emptied of most its substance, how can you even say that it was forcefully passed? The new law doesn't do much at all. Antisocial bills are fine in a country such as France were ridiculous levels of social egalitarianism make it difficult for everyone. "Better to be unemployed and living on state welfare than have a job", as the French like to say. Rather, should I say, the noisy French who riot in the streets and destroy things. There are hard working French people out there who didn't riot: they were too busy actually working. Funnily enough, they are the ones paying social welfare for the vandals who are out rioting. The bill was emptied of anything meaningful and the status quo remains. The people working are still working long hours, paying for social justice that socialists love. On December 02 2016 20:30 Acrofales wrote: Raising the retirement age isn't anti-social. Putting an undue financial burden on young people due to the decreasing job market coupled with people living longer is anti-social. Let's just take on billions of € of debt! After all, the old fuckers in the government are going to be long dead and the young generations of today and their children will deal with the debt! xD | ||
zatic
Zurich15352 Posts
Apparently a (German) jihadist sought to infiltrate the Verfassungsschutz, Germany's domestic secret service. He was hired by the agency as an asset to observe the German radical Islamists. He then was passing on confidential material and started planning a violent attack on the agency, but was discovered pretty quickly. Some fun facts: - Guy is married with 4 kids - Used to work as a performer in gay porn - Used his gay porn stage name when posting on jihadist web sites / chat rooms - Gave away plenty of personal information online including that he is working as a spy in German intelligence https://www.queerty.com/german-spy-outed-gay-pay-adult-film-star-secret-islamist-20161130 | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On December 02 2016 21:15 zatic wrote: So this story has been developing the past couple of days in Germany, and it's is more comical than anything else: Apparently a (German) jihadist sought to infiltrate the Verfassungsschutz, Germany's domestic secret service. He was hired by the agency as an asset to observe the German radical Islamists. He then was passing on confidential material and started planning a violent attack on the agency, but was discovered pretty quickly. Some fun facts: - Guy is married with 4 kids - Used to work as a performer in gay porn - Used his gay porn stage name when posting on jihadist web sites / chat rooms - Gave away plenty of personal information online including that he is working as a spy in German intelligence https://www.queerty.com/german-spy-outed-gay-pay-adult-film-star-secret-islamist-20161130 lol what How did he even get hired, that's the real question | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 02 2016 20:30 Acrofales wrote: Raising the retirement age isn't anti-social. Putting an undue financial burden on young people due to the decreasing job market coupled with people living longer is anti-social. You have less than before for the same effort, it's definitely a social regression for workers. Living longer ≠ being able to work longer (especially as companies don't want old people, supposedly too costly and not productive enough...). Funding problems are created through revenue shortfall (high level of unemployment + companies get exonerations for the sake of competitiveness, with little to no effect). After that, wave the “debt! debt!” flag and reduce rights/pensions because TINA. Rince/repeat until budget balance comes back. You've created lots of poor pensioners, some people burnt their health (or even their life) at work, but eh, budget is balanced. Isn't it what matters? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On December 02 2016 21:54 TheDwf wrote: You have less than before for the same effort, it's definitely a social regression for workers. Living longer ≠ being able to work longer (especially as companies don't want old people, supposedly too costly and not productive enough...). Funding problems are created through revenue shortfall (high level of unemployment + companies get exonerations for the sake of competitiveness, with little to no effect). After that, wave the “debt! debt!” flag and reduce rights/pensions because TINA. Rince/repeat until budget balance comes back. You've created lots of poor pensioners, some people burnt their health (or even their life) at work, but eh, budget is balanced. Isn't it what matters? Let's give all pensioners a €9k/month salary. Make the rich pay! Should be easy. Also, if the rich don't pay because they leave France, then we just borrow the money. Future generations will pay. Now we have real social equality, which is what really matters! The best part is that they have more purchasing power, which means that they spend more and that means that our domestic economy (since everyone buys smartphones and tablets which are produced domestically!!) is now much more active, increasing government revenue! Why didn't Hollande see this? such a noob + Show Spoiler + So now maybe you understand how pointless the discussion is without actual numbers? The government has actual numbers, they see they can't afford the luxury of social equality, so they do austerity because guess what, that's all they can afford. Sorry, but you need to work for a living. France has been living above what it could actually afford for years. The "soixante huitard" lived easy, comfortable, socially just lives and now the current generations are paying for it. Nothing like a good cup of social justice to get up in the morning. ^^ | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On December 02 2016 21:24 Incognoto wrote: lol what How did he even get hired, that's the real question There are a few ways I could imagine it slipping through. And honestly it happens to every intelligence agency sooner or later. What should trouble you is that despite the absurdity, an extremist could be literally anyone. Even some random dude that used to do gay pornos who secretly converted to Islam while working for an intelligence agency. One of the many dangers of not keeping jihadism under control. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6237 Posts
On December 02 2016 21:54 TheDwf wrote: You have less than before for the same effort, it's definitely a social regression for workers. Living longer ≠ being able to work longer (especially as companies don't want old people, supposedly too costly and not productive enough...). Funding problems are created through revenue shortfall (high level of unemployment + companies get exonerations for the sake of competitiveness, with little to no effect). After that, wave the “debt! debt!” flag and reduce rights/pensions because TINA. Rince/repeat until budget balance comes back. You've created lots of poor pensioners, some people burnt their health (or even their life) at work, but eh, budget is balanced. Isn't it what matters? Old people are too costly. The issue is that often the older yoi get the more money you get. It should be the more productive you are the more money you get. You'd make the most money in your 30s and 40s when you also have the most costs with a mortgage, kids etc. You could (should) keep lifetime earnings the same. The issue now is that instead of reducing their earnings we're protecting them. A two tier labour market is created where elderly are too costly to fire but when they do get fired they can never get in again. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 03 2016 00:00 Incognoto wrote: Let's give all pensioners a €9k/month salary. Make the rich pay! Should be easy. Also, if the rich don't pay because they leave France, then we just borrow the money. Future generations will pay. Now we have real social equality, which is what really matters! The best part is that they have more purchasing power, which means that they spend more and that means that our domestic economy (since everyone buys smartphones and tablets which are produced domestically!!) is now much more active, increasing government revenue! Why didn't Hollande see this? such a noob + Show Spoiler + So now maybe you understand how pointless the discussion is without actual numbers? The government has actual numbers, they see they can't afford the luxury of social equality, so they do austerity because guess what, that's all they can afford. Sorry, but you need to work for a living. France has been living above what it could actually afford for years. The "soixante huitard" lived easy, comfortable, socially just lives and now the current generations are paying for it. Nothing like a good cup of social justice to get up in the morning. ^^ Yeah, but if you want to reduce debt then make everyone pay for it by as much as they have profited from the past system. You can't bleed out people while the rich get richer, they will stand up and fight. With democracy or with force, but they will fight for it. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On December 02 2016 05:06 Incognoto wrote: nah why don't you calm down hollande's a fucker and i'm allowed to say that if i want. i'd very much like for him to be tried and get thrown into jail a bit as a traitor but we know that won't happen. he's going to live a fat cat life with a great ass pension when all he did was fuck france over for 4 years. he deserves prison, what he's going to get is the complete opposite so no and of course i'm a liberal because hollande deserves to live like a parasite off tax payer money when all he did was ruin the country you should expect the country to be ruined again by the next candidate but i don't get why he deserves prison (for me hollande is the second worst president ever, after sarkozy) until we find out years after some juicy drama btw hollande did a liberal policy, something even the right wouldn't have done at this time | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On December 03 2016 01:53 Makro wrote: you should expect the country to be ruined again by the next candidate but i don't get why he deserves prison (for me hollande is the second worst president ever, after sarkozy) until we find out years after some juicy drama btw hollande did a liberal policy, something even the right wouldn't have done at this time honestly whoever is next will probably fuck up i have hopes in fillon, though i doubt he'll do much. maybe the PS candidate, but I don't see it being anything other than a continuation of hollande. hollande had a liberal policy because treasury is empty, he didn't have a choice and our german overlords dictate what happens in france anyway, not the french president (who is just merkel's waiter) FN would spell doom for france and they have a disgustingly realistic chance to get elected, so yeh, glad i'm moving out | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On December 03 2016 01:55 Incognoto wrote: honestly whoever is next will probably fuck up i have hopes in fillon, though i doubt he'll do much. maybe the PS candidate, but I don't see it being anything other than a continuation of hollande. hollande had a liberal policy because treasury is empty, he didn't have a choice and our german overlords dictate what happens in france anyway, not the french president (who is just merkel's waiter) FN would spell doom for france and they have a disgustingly realistic chance to get elected, so yeh, glad i'm moving out i still think that people are gonna vote for fillon even if the public sector is gonna get doomed (which would be a really good argument for lepen btw) the 500 000 state servant that are not gonna get replaced won't be the useless bureaucrate as we like to joke about, but everyone : hospital, school teachers, policeman a society reproduce itself through education, and if you dare to take a look at the actual state of education, it's really scary, specially when you see the level of young frenchman when it comes to maths and such the efficiency of the money used is an other debate though (and should be the main one and the main concern for the future years imo) btw chill dude :D | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Absolutely agree the efficiency with which the money is spent is important. In fact it's like the number one thing I'm looking for with these candidates, but no one seems to have a good program except Fillon. That's only because he says he's going to spend less, whereas "more efficient" would be better. Bah, such is life. I need a chill pill :p | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On December 02 2016 21:54 TheDwf wrote: You have less than before for the same effort, it's definitely a social regression for workers. Living longer ≠ being able to work longer (especially as companies don't want old people, supposedly too costly and not productive enough...). Funding problems are created through revenue shortfall (high level of unemployment + companies get exonerations for the sake of competitiveness, with little to no effect). After that, wave the “debt! debt!” flag and reduce rights/pensions because TINA. Rince/repeat until budget balance comes back. You've created lots of poor pensioners, some people burnt their health (or even their life) at work, but eh, budget is balanced. Isn't it what matters? Having "less than before for the same effort" isn't automatically a social regression because social progress isn't synonymous with working less or having more stuff. When the living expectancy rises and annual work hours go down we can expect people to work longer. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 03 2016 03:04 Nyxisto wrote: Having "less than before for the same effort" isn't automatically a social regression because social progress isn't synonymous with working less or having more stuff. When the living expectancy rises and annual work hours go down we can expect people to work longer. Yes it is. Literally. Reducing work time is one of the oldest demands of the labour movement and one of the main metrics for social progress. And when you go from situation A, in which you could retire at 60 with X annuities required, to situation B, in which you have to wait 62/63/65 with even more annuities (so retiring later, and on average with a weaker pension because the conditions are harder to meet), it is social regression. Fillon wants to raise the legal age of retirement to 65 years. That was the legal age in effect in… 1910. That is the literate definition of regression. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Life expectancy is longer than before? No problem, the young will pay! 35 hours / week? God please no, let's work less and create less wealth. That will for sure make France great again! | ||
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