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Velr
Switzerland10852 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
But since the new system re facebook is mostly just setting a more uniform standard so it's easier for companies to dela with, rather than complying with each nations laws against hate (which are already in law), i'm fine with that shift. | ||
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
On June 01 2016 22:08 Plansix wrote: This is why the EU is so much cooler than the US. You folks build way more impressive infrastructure to do amazing things. I wish you were right, but here in Germany, many big projects are considered large scale disasters. I´m happy that this tunnel is none of them. It is impressive. Well done switzerland! | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On June 01 2016 22:08 Plansix wrote: This is why the EU is so much cooler than the US. You folks build way more impressive infrastructure to do amazing things. we still try to figure out how to build airports and train stations though. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
As part of the State Department’s continuous efforts to provide Americans travelling abroad with information about relevant events, we are alerting U.S. citizens to the risk of potential terrorist attacks throughout Europe, targeting major events, tourist sites, restaurants, commercial centers and transportation. The large number of tourists visiting Europe in the summer months will present greater targets for terrorists planning attacks in public locations, especially at large events. This Travel Alert expires August 31, 2016. preventive or they know something?. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 02 2016 04:16 hfglgg wrote: we still try to figure out how to build airports and train stations though. If there is someone who doesn't know what this comment is referring to, you are missing out - it's quite hillarious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Brandenburg_Airport | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7985 Posts
On June 01 2016 13:16 Plansix wrote: Some people in the US see any attempt to restrict or block anything on the internet as a violation of free speech, even if it is done democratically. Some go so far as to say that blocking someone on twitter is censorship. The internet should be open facing so any asshole can come up and bother you any time they want. Facebook shouldn't delete racist ads and articles because people should make up their own minds. I think americans and europeans have a really different way of approaching free speech. I root it to the 1930's (a time when you would read all the time absolutely horrifying things in mainstream newspapers), and the inability of european societies to contain fascism and antisemitism. It's very rooted in european's minds that hate speech is a threat to democracy, which is something american's haven't really experienced. When Faurisson, a far right "historian" started saying in France that the Holocaust never happened, he was sued and sentenced by the French authorities. At that time, Chomsky wrote an open letter saying that he should be allowed to express his point of view, as despicable as it is. Which is, for a Frenchman, a very naive attitude. I somewhat admire the absolutness of free speech in America. I just think it's unpractical. Hate speech can really destroy lives and threaten democracies. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On June 02 2016 04:36 Biff The Understudy wrote: At that time, Chomsky wrote an open letter saying that he should be allowed to express his point of view, as despicable as it is. Which is, for a Frenchman, a very naive attitude. No, this is an attitude based in reality. Look how holocaust denial is treated in the US (laughed at, mostly ignored), and find that there's basically no holocaust deniers in the US. Look how holocaust denial is treated in Germany (lending credence to the stupidity by making it illegal to express) and find that considerably more people deny that it ever happened. | ||
zatic
Zurich15362 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
There are actual institutions and intellectuals like David Irving in the English speaking world that practise historical revisionism. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 02 2016 06:24 DickMcFanny wrote: No, this is an attitude based in reality. Look how holocaust denial is treated in the US (laughed at, mostly ignored), and find that there's basically no holocaust deniers in the US. Look how holocaust denial is treated in Germany (lending credence to the stupidity by making it illegal to express) and find that considerably more people deny that it ever happened. wat? source please | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28747 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On June 01 2016 16:23 opisska wrote: I must say that while I disagree with Testie on a ... lot of things, I am completely behind his outrage with social media censorship. In general, I am dissatisfied with the level of freedom of speech in Europe already as it is and any further action to restrict it may only earn my contempt. I have many friends who disagree and who even actively fight against "hate speech". My answer to them is always the same simple thing: right now, you are on the same side as the state, but do you trust your government that in the future it won't suppress things you want to say? I do not and I believe that having as large a freedom of speech as possible is one of the best ways to prevent runaway government issues. It's really puzzling to me how many people don't understand how pressing this problem is, particularly in Czech Republic which was stripped from personal freedoms for long 51 years from 1938 to 1989, first by Nazis, then by Communists, then by Communists and the Soviet army. People forget really quickly. Sadly our generation barely has any principles anymore, and have totally forgotten liberty should be defended for liberty's sake. A large part of the population seem to be only capable of thinking in short term convenience (usually in a horribly misguided way) | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
Thank you Germany, you demonstrated whole world how to use democracy as a tool in your policies. Maybe you recognize bombing of Dresden one day if you need to. Obama in Hiroshima: 'll not apologize to the Japanese! Because every leader takes difficult decisions particularly during Wars, and It’s important to recognize that in the midst of war! it’s a job of historians to ask questions and examine them,” He added.Surprisingly, Erdogan almost said the same: “We are saying, ‘If you are sincere on this matter, then come, let’s leave this to historians, let historians study the issue, let’s open our archives,’” Erdogan continued. “We have opened our archive. We have revealed more than one million documents on this. If Armenia also has an archive, then they should open it too. If the results actually reveal that we have committed a crime, if we have a price to pay, then as Turkey we would assess it and take the required steps,” Erdogan told state-run TRT channel on Thursday, according to Agence French Presse.Sarkozy on Algeria: "France has done what it should." Churchill on India: "Everything is permissible in war." | ||
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zatic
Zurich15362 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11752 Posts
On June 02 2016 22:35 lastpuritan wrote: History being voted on by democracy, again. Thank you Germany, you demonstrated whole world how to use democracy as a tool in your policies. Maybe you recognize bombing of Dresden one day if you need to. Obama in Hiroshima: He added. Surprisingly, Erdogan almost said the same: Erdogan told state-run TRT channel on Thursday, according to Agence French Presse. Sarkozy on Algeria: "France has done what it should." Churchill on India: "Everything is permissible in war." Context please. I have a hard time following what you want to say here. Do you want to say that Germany does not recognize that Dresden was bombed? | ||
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farvacola
United States18854 Posts
On June 02 2016 22:43 Simberto wrote: Context please. I have a hard time following what you want to say here. Do you want to say that Germany does not recognize that Dresden was bombed? Among other things, he's equating the dropping of the atomic bombs with the Armenian Genocide while also doing the same with the bombing of Dresden. The propriety of the comparisons speak for themselves. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
Context is obvious. This solution didn't pass last year, or this year in April, or the last 100 years but at one specific time, when Germany felt helpless in its foreign policy. Crime is a crime if you really care human lives. Dropping tons of bombs or atomic bombs needs their solution as well. But Germany has no power or courage to create those solutions as it seems and also as if this "solution" is something worthy but a tool to annoy turks. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11752 Posts
On June 02 2016 23:09 lastpuritan wrote: Maybe it's not about balls but personal call. Would it make any difference to Turkey part by any measure, oh Merkel wasn't there so there's nothing to worry about ha? Context is obvious. This solution didn't pass last year, or this year in April, or the last 100 years but at one specific time, when Germany felt helpless in its foreign policy. Crime is a crime if you really care human lives. Dropping tons of bombs or atomic bombs needs their solution as well. But Germany has no power or courage to create those solutions as it seems. As if this "solution" is something worthy but a tool to annoy turks. Maybe i am stupid, or it is because english is not my first language, but it appears to me that you imply some sort of knowledge of what you are talking about in your post. At least to me, the context is not obvious. Would you mind clearly stating what you want to say? What is this "solution" to bombs dropped 60+ years ago that you are talking about? | ||
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