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On September 18 2015 02:30 maartendq wrote:According to BBC, only 20% of the migrants are Syrians. About 40% of the migrants are people from the Balkans. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34270077More interesting reflections in the article above. It's quite the complicated phenomenon alright.
I would like to see just one (1) picture of Christian refugee from Serbia or Macedonia. There should be a lot if they are so big percentage.
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Acrofales is spot on with Catalonian's feelings, even if i disagree with them. About revolutionaries, there were a lot from other places aswell during Franquism tho. The sentiment that they are giving far more than they are receiving is true amongst Catalonians, but when you check the numbers of budget per habitant you see that's a half lie. They receive less than they give from national budget redistribution, but they still receive way more than the other communities if we speak about wealth redistribution (so much for revolutionaries eh?).
This includes Navarra, Pais Vasco aswell, only Extremadura, which is extremely poor is second place when it comes to budget per habitant. Madrid has one of the lowest budget per habitant, which is somewhat weird because the feeling amongst Catalan's is that their tax money stays on Madrid (rather than re-distribution). Hence the Madrid vs Barcelona mindset.
About being repressed during fascism, there are way more mass graves in places like Andalucia than Catalonia, not to speak about Aragon and obviously, el País Vasco. Franco also was very protectionist of Catalonia's industry (like any other Spanish goverment) to favor the catalonian Burguesy for their support (and yes, there were supporters of Franco on Catalonia). The industrial powerhouse it isn't there for Catalonian's merits alone. And like everything in Spain after Franquism, those are the ones who are running the state, not the revolutionaries. This is truth for the whole country.
I am not against Catalonia's independence, if they want to, so be it. But whenever you speak with a Catalonian who wants independence is for purely economic reasons masquered by cultural/idealogical. Not because i want to think it is, but because after asking them that's the reason they will give you. They would be in better shape today if they were independant. It's not like the goverment economic cuts didn't hit other communities the same or more. Yet, most of the political arguments about independence lie on the cutural differences.
We have people from Valencia, Galicia, Islas baleares, etc... Language is not a problem there and not something that is used to put us as apart, as it is on Catalonia (not even in el Pais Vasco). I was studying on Alicante (Valencia's province), and i had to actually learn to read some Valencian there, but i wouldn't be looked down like i was when working in Barcelona for not speaking Catalonian.
Lately political independist parties had gone as far as to claim that they share genetically speaking more with the swiss and the french than with the spanish as a political argument. I am from Canary islands, that's like saying i share more with South americans and North africans genetically speaking than spanish.
Also, the resettlement of Andalusians was the camp --- city migration that happened everywhere else around the world. That's a myth as far i know (if you can cite sources, i don't mind changing my mind, i actually know plenty of andalusians who's parent's migrated and they are now independists, the parents, not the sons). Not like the went there to milk the catalonian cow, but to work. And they went to Valencia too (which seems forgotten nowadays since ever after Maastrich their industry has been going to shit).
The independentism on Catalonia is not something recent, a huge number of policies were ran for Puyol (this one), specially with Language and history revisionism almost twenty years ago, when it really started to be a political tool to gain votes.
As i said, i am not against them holding a referendum (which for our disgrace, are not bonding), and getting their independence if they want to, but there is so much shit running around the media that makes me facepalm. Not to speak that i really don't share the nationalistics views of looking at what sets apart instead of what brings us together.
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On September 18 2015 18:41 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 02:30 maartendq wrote:According to BBC, only 20% of the migrants are Syrians. About 40% of the migrants are people from the Balkans. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34270077More interesting reflections in the article above. It's quite the complicated phenomenon alright. I would like to see just one (1) picture of Christian refugee from Serbia or Macedonia. There should be a lot if they are so big percentage.
How will you know they're Christian?
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They are white and middle-european looking, duh. Only white people are real christians.
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+90% of all asylum seekers or migrants or whatever you wanna call them from Balkan are Albanians no matter if they come from Macedonia, Serbia, Albania or Kosovo. And yea almost are all muslim too.
It was big news like half year ago that Albanians from Kosovo were leaving in droves. Every day like 10 busses were leaving for West Europe.
On September 18 2015 23:11 Simberto wrote:
They are white and middle-european looking, duh. Only white people are real christians.
Albanians are white but they are muslim. Race doesnt have anything to do with religion.
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I'm pretty sure you just made that 90% number up
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On September 19 2015 01:32 Nyxisto wrote:
I'm pretty sure you just made that 90% number up
My bet is 95% or more.
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You are german you tell me. And yes almost close to 100% of asylum seekers from Balkan are Albanians and Gypsies.
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I am pretty sure all Albanians not Muslim. From some quick research its is either 43% or 73%, depending on if you trust Pew or Gallup more. So like 58% if we split the baby.
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10 buses is not much. You have average 4000 people in 24 hours heading to Hungarian boarder.
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On September 19 2015 01:51 Plansix wrote:
I am pretty sure all Albanians not Muslim. From some quick research its is either 43% or 73%, depending on if you trust Pew or Gallup more. So like 58% if we split the baby.
We could multiply them too. Or realize that he was talking about migrants, not Albanians in general.
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On September 19 2015 02:02 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 01:51 Plansix wrote:
I am pretty sure all Albanians not Muslim. From some quick research its is either 43% or 73%, depending on if you trust Pew or Gallup more. So like 58% if we split the baby. We could multiply them too. Or realize that he was talking about migrants, not Albanians in general.
I responded to this quote only. Sorry if it wasn't clear.
On September 19 2015 01:28 SkelA wrote:
Albanians are white but they are muslim. Race doesnt have anything to do with religion.
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On September 19 2015 01:51 Plansix wrote:
I am pretty sure all Albanians not Muslim. From some quick research its is either 43% or 73%, depending on if you trust Pew or Gallup more. So like 58% if we split the baby.
They are close to 100% muslim in Macedonia Kosovo and Serbia. The biggest problems have been there in the past couple of decades coincidence or not.
In Albania tho they are not so extreme. There are alot of cristians mostly in the south close to Greece.
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Sweden will collapse soon, we get around 1000 asylum seekers every day now, debts growing massively, goverment has to loan money to pay for more migrants coming here, crime rate increased over 450% the last few years.
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On September 20 2015 09:26 Klowney wrote:
Sweden will collapse soon, we get around 1000 asylum seekers every day now, debts growing massively, goverment has to loan money to pay for more migrants coming here, crime rate increased over 450% the last few years.
Or in other words, people have gotten better at reporting crime. These crime arguments are nonsensical really. The last big European study that evaluated violence against women in Europe showed that Denmark is the most dangerous place for women statistically speaking. It is a little more likely to assume that women in Denmark are just reporting domestic violence much more often than in other countries. It's a good example of how people are twisting statistics for their agenda. I also can't find any numbers that support the claim of "450% crime increase" in the first place.
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On September 20 2015 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 09:26 Klowney wrote:
Sweden will collapse soon, we get around 1000 asylum seekers every day now, debts growing massively, goverment has to loan money to pay for more migrants coming here, crime rate increased over 450% the last few years. Or in other words, people have gotten better at reporting crime. These crime arguments are nonsensical really. The last big European study that evaluated violence against women in Europe showed that Denmark is the most dangerous place for women statistically speaking. It is a little more likely to assume that women in Denmark are just reporting domestic violence much more often than in other countries. It's a good example of how people are twisting statistics for their agenda. I also can't find any numbers that support the claim of "450% crime increase" in the first place.
http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-official-no-go-zones/
Nonsense you say? Well, i guess if police can't even enter those zones there is no crime at all!
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On September 20 2015 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 09:26 Klowney wrote:
Sweden will collapse soon, we get around 1000 asylum seekers every day now, debts growing massively, goverment has to loan money to pay for more migrants coming here, crime rate increased over 450% the last few years. Or in other words, people have gotten better at reporting crime. These crime arguments are nonsensical really. The last big European study that evaluated violence against women in Europe showed that Denmark is the most dangerous place for women statistically speaking. It is a little more likely to assume that women in Denmark are just reporting domestic violence much more often than in other countries. It's a good example of how people are twisting statistics for their agenda. I also can't find any numbers that support the claim of "450% crime increase" in the first place.
Well now it's funny for you to start as if giving the number the benefit of the doubt until getting later into the paragraph, when that suggests people would have to have suddenly become 5.5× as good at reporting crime in the last few years in Sweden than they were in the average of all the years before. That seems a little too much, doesn't it? It is of course possible, if some new mobile app/technology/change in law made it much easier, but until you can point out what that change is, I'd be sceptical of such a rise in reporting.
That crime argument is nonsensical really.
"It's a good example of how people are twisting statistics for their agenda."
Funny that, because to me it seems that they are interpreting the statistics exactly as they are. It may be that that is the wrong thing to do and people aren't thinking about it enough, instead having a knee-jerk reaction to it, but you can hardly call that twisting the statistics.
While my impression is that you would not dream to do such a thing, can you understand how from the perspective of someone who hadn't observed your attitudes, it might more likely that if anyone is twisting things to suit their agenda, it would be you?
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On September 20 2015 10:34 Narw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:On September 20 2015 09:26 Klowney wrote:
Sweden will collapse soon, we get around 1000 asylum seekers every day now, debts growing massively, goverment has to loan money to pay for more migrants coming here, crime rate increased over 450% the last few years. Or in other words, people have gotten better at reporting crime. These crime arguments are nonsensical really. The last big European study that evaluated violence against women in Europe showed that Denmark is the most dangerous place for women statistically speaking. It is a little more likely to assume that women in Denmark are just reporting domestic violence much more often than in other countries. It's a good example of how people are twisting statistics for their agenda. I also can't find any numbers that support the claim of "450% crime increase" in the first place. http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-official-no-go-zones/Nonsense you say? Well, i guess if police can't even enter those zones there is no crime at all!
Wow a private blog with the two headlines "feminist economics" and "goodbye sweden" and the explicit warning to not use nazi-symbolism on the website. You'll have to do a little better.
this is by the way the only source that turns up for "no go zones sweden", together with another handful of xenophobic blogs. Is this /r/worldnews?
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