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a ha, i'll just feed them couple conspiracy theories and they'll be back to fighting in caves.
all in all, you assume to much that things have to occur in a reasoned fashion. this follows that because logic and reason but that's just .. nope.
i get the analogy, small worlds breed small minds and whatnot but by that logic ISIS should've surrendered to US in day 1. hell, every country on earth should bow down to US because might and awesomeness ...
or what about Vietnam, they defied the odds while your reason says that they shouldn't have because ... materialism, well being or whatever crap you assume people should prioritize in a situation like that.
Edit:A Chinese villager in 1940 was able to take up arms against Nationalist columns, Japanese patrols, Communist bands, and roving bandits simultaneously the only reason that doesn't happen anymore is that people feel(and are) alone and because of that, they can not successfully mount a defense or drive a change.
french used to do it but they can't now(they tried and failed). it's the old divide then conquer.
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On September 12 2015 18:42 xM(Z wrote:
i think globalization is the dumbest thing ever and that you make your own luck.
syrians were not born in a war torn country. they allowed war to happen(or started the war/rebellion) and their wealth is(or better said, was) few times higher than all the east EU combined. they had it all and they fucked it all away.
What the hell are you talking about? Since when was Syria wealthier than any Eastern European country?
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I fall upon this video on Reddit
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It's from a ZDF documentary, I never really heard about them having a right-mindset but if a german could confirm.
It's seems pretty objective of muslim ideology in Germany.
And that's terrifying. That's how I'm seen what is a moderate muslim. But heh, Islamophobia is an irrational fear.
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On September 13 2015 01:16 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 18:42 xM(Z wrote:
i think globalization is the dumbest thing ever and that you make your own luck.
syrians were not born in a war torn country. they allowed war to happen(or started the war/rebellion) and their wealth is(or better said, was) few times higher than all the east EU combined. they had it all and they fucked it all away.
What the hell are you talking about? Since when was Syria wealthier than any Eastern European country?
in ~1980 its oil reserves were conservatively estimated at 2.2 billion barrels. we have arround 600mill here and other east EU countries have none. Denmark is at ~1.1bill and look at them.
when i said wealth i wasn't talking about the wealth/well being of syrian people but about Syria's brute capabilities; as in the riches of its land.
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Yemen is at 3B, look at them! Ghana, 5B, wow! Azerbaijan 7B, much wealth! Venezuela 297B, so strong!
As if wealth is at all useful for the general population of a country under a dictatorship. The Syrian refugees coming to Europe had exactly 0 choice on how to use that wealth. The only guy who does have a choice decided to stay, unfortunately, to fight for his country.
Your views reflect such a lack of empathy that I'm left wondering why that is so.
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On September 13 2015 01:17 Faust852 wrote:I fall upon this video on Reddit + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=87&v=KVWAIKoatWM It's from a ZDF documentary, I never really heard about them having a right-mindset but if a german could confirm. It's seems pretty objective of muslim ideology in Germany. And that's terrifying. That's how I'm seen what is a moderate muslim. But heh, Islamophobia is an irrational fear.
No, it's an objective view about the most problem ridden areas in Germany. Neukölln, which most of the documentary focuses on, is among the poorest regions in the whole country.
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Wait, so it's okay for them to behave like actual medieval scum because they are poor?
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No, the statements "they behave like that because they are poor" and "I find their behaviour okay" are not equivalent. But his question was if what was shown in the documentation is representative of Muslims in Germany and it simply isn't. It's exemplary of people living in ghetto-like communities. And even if it were representative, which it isn't, it has nothing to do with their faith. You will find just as much petty crime, domestic violence, parallel societies in a Latin American favela or a poor Russian village.
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Yeah, I really have a hard time getting how these people went from western-civilized to middle ages fanatics in less than 50 years. what the fuck.
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On September 13 2015 03:04 Nyxisto wrote:
No, the statements "they behave like that because they are poor" and "I find their behaviour okay" are not equivalent. But his question was if what was shown in the documentation is representative of Muslims in Germany and it simply isn't. It's exemplary of people living in ghetto-like communities. And even if it were representative, which it isn't, it has nothing to do with their faith. You will find just as much petty crime, domestic violence, parallel societies in a Latin American favela or a poor Russian village.
No, it's not exactly common and easily dismissed when children are taught from an early age to advocate murder in response to things they find to be contradictory to their religion. Not even among the poor.
Unless you have evidence to the contrary to show that Muslims are not worse than other poor individuals in this sense?
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Every murder statistic on this planet shows this? What exactly is the evidence for the claim that Muslims(there are 1.7 billion of them) are "poor individuals in that sense"?
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Then perhaps you could clear this up with one or two of those "every murder statistic" summaries since it's so obvious?
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On September 13 2015 03:20 Faust852 wrote: Yeah, I really have a hard time getting how these people went from western-civilized to middle ages fanatics in less than 50 years. what the fuck.
Because they were not western civilized, they had western technology. The Congo used to have one of the premier railway systems in the world as well. Its basically like that speech Malcolm gives at the dinner table in Jurassic Park.
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On September 13 2015 03:04 Nyxisto wrote:
No, the statements "they behave like that because they are poor" and "I find their behaviour okay" are not equivalent. But his question was if what was shown in the documentation is representative of Muslims in Germany and it simply isn't. It's exemplary of people living in ghetto-like communities. And even if it were representative, which it isn't, it has nothing to do with their faith. You will find just as much petty crime, domestic violence, parallel societies in a Latin American favela or a poor Russian village.
Some of the individuals in the video Faust852 that linked expect to stick to Islam ABOVE the laws of country they move to and have little care for the constitution. That's not on.
If you have shit people in shitty slums and they're not muslim, they don't get a "I disagree with your laws" get out of jail free card. Now as long as muslims who think that way also don't get said "get out of jail free" card, that's not different, good.
They still need to have it made clear to them BEFORE they come that such attitudes are simply not acceptable and they will be treated as other german citizens whether they like it or not.
It needs to be that family members in such case CANNOT choose not to press charges.
e.g. If one of those young guys hit his sister because she spent time with other boys, she shouldn't be able to choose not to press charges because its in her family interest or supposedly in hers. If she doesn't have a choice, then they can't blame her if the violence has just been "found out" (reported by a neighbour etc.) rather than by her reporting it.
It's not a case of preventing any muslim refugees coming (or immigrants) but making sure anyone of any religion understands what they have to abide by BEFORE they get there.
An aside: Towards the end, did that Canadian say polygamy is actually illegal? To what extent? Married couple get charged somehow if they cheat or even "singles" who are clearly dating others? Surely just the first. I knew Korea did but Canada??
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On September 13 2015 03:20 Faust852 wrote:Yeah, I really have a hard time getting how these people went from western-civilized to middle ages fanatics in less than 50 years. what the fuck.
Who will have the right to be indignant (...) if the violence which engages Europe in Africa finish by exasperating the hurt fiber of Muslims, if Islam respond one day by a fanaticism and a huge revolt in universal aggression
Jean Jaurès in 1912... Not really a new question.
It has nothing to do with Islam's essence, unlike many believe. Islam as a "culture" proved it could be more than what it is today - even if I agree that fundamentalism almost won the cultural war in the muslim world right now (in europe too).
It's a social question. Even if you believe that religion is part of us as human, the form it takes has a lot to do with the state of the world. To quote a secondary thinker, religion is :
[...]the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form [...] its enthusiasm, its moral sanction.[...] Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions.
The main problem is that the socialists and democratic try-outs in arabs nations (in Egypt and Algeria mostly, but also in Afghanistan) completly failed. When they actually got into power, they were completly unable to build a state free of corruption, and their agricultural and industrial policies were plain failure - a completly "socialist" economy is easier said than done. The socialist dream - the religion of man - completly failed and let the islamic world (but european nations too somehow, as the rampant disbelief and disinterest for politics suggest) without any forms of discourse of ideology to face and give sense to their dominated condition. Fundamentalism filled the gap.
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I imagine the guy meant that it's illegal to have multiple wives/husbands at the same time.
As for the prosecution bit I believe there is an array of charges that, once the public prosecutors office becomes aware of them, mandates an investigation regardless of what the victim wants. Those are generally serious crimes only. But if the victim, in this case the sister, denies being beaten or never notifies authorities there's little they can do about it.
Quite frankly it's shocking just how positively medieval these people acted and I find it hard to explain it by them being less fortunate. I've not heard of or witnessed any extralegal structures of that magnitude within a western country.
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