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On September 12 2015 06:01 xM(Z wrote:
i have zero compassion for syrian male refugees. none, nada.
they should go back and fight/die for their country.
On which side would you prefer they fight?
But no, really. What kind of ridiculously outdated worldview do you have of a feudal lord riding through and all his serfs are obligated to fight in his army. No matter which side you actually want them to fight on. Also telling of your horribly outdated world view is that you seem to have ignored universal suffrage in your call to only MEN having to fight fight for their country.
EDIT: maybe you should join ISIS, you and them seem to have a lot in common on how you view the world.
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On September 12 2015 05:49 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +Lol... And you read the 1844 manuscript at 10 ? Or the critique of Hegel's philosophy of right at 5 ? You know more than me about Marx ? You sure ?
The simple fact that you discard Marx shows that you are ignorant. Anybody who is a little educated know Marx is a huge pill to swallow - whatever their ideological background may be. Pretty sure now. The simple fact that you never discarded Marx into adulthood shows that you're juvenile, or simply slow. Let me guess, you started reading at the age of 21 and only ever managed to read one book. The simple fact that you consider Marx to be a huge pill shows how poor your digestion is, no matter how late you attained functional literacy. That would explain why I have to clarify myself 3 times and you still don't understand the most basic sentences. You probably cannot locate Marx within the nexus of German idealistic philosophy either, which is probably why you think he was an original thinker. Oh, never mind, I forgot, you are "not ignorant about Marx." That is why given the opportunity, you can't make a single argument about Marx's historical vision pace Tocqueville. Because that is what Marxist experts do. They tell you how smart they are. They are so smart they cannot argue, make points or provide exposition. Hilarious. Ignorant. Hypocrite. LoL. Show nested quote +read the capital at 16 after all (what a f-ing joke... hahahahaha).
Anyway, the way you feel compassion =/= the fact that some people feel more or less compassion. Again, the term assymetry of compassion means that some feel more (not differently) than others : my point stands (again). You have a little difficulty staying true to words. Nope. Symmetry is a geometrical, not an arithmetic term. I thought France was supposed to be an upper-mid-tier PISA country, yet no literacy. No mathematics. I can't. I'm going full WhiteDog mode. I like being a rude, arrogant Frenchman. It is far more fun than having good manners.
You're a serious kid. All you do is spouting nonsense - but with grace.
Do I really need to locate Marx within "the nexus of German idealistic philosophy" (as a good student of Hegel and a young fan of feuerbach) to know that he is important ? And do I really need to "locate" him in the "nexus" of German "philosophy" considering he fled Germany early, to france then the UK, where he became not only a german philosopher but one of the european socialist - next to proudhon ? And is he really a philosopher considering that only his earlier works were "philosophical" (and thus "located" next to any german philosopher) and that at some point - that Paul Ricoeur dates to the German Ideology in The Ideology and The Utopia; altho his 1844 Manuscript already pointed out a change - he completly change his discourse and analysis (as the switch from the term "alienation" to "division of labor" suggest) to match (and critic) what he named the "classical" economy ?
Masturbation. Marx is important (and certainly more than Tocqueville who basically is an augmented journalist who had some good intuitions), I don't need to say anything to support that. Here is from Karl Marx in Wikipedia :
Legacy
Marx's ideas have had a profound impact on world politics and intellectual thought.
Nope. Symmetry is a geometrical, not an arithmetic term. I thought France was supposed to be an upper-mid-tier PISA country, yet no literacy. No mathematics.
LoL.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://sahara-vivant.com/Crabe-violoniste-male.jpg) This sand fiddler crab has asymmetric claws. One of his claws is not bigger than the other.
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On September 12 2015 06:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 06:01 xM(Z wrote:
i have zero compassion for syrian male refugees. none, nada.
they should go back and fight/die for their country. On which side would you prefer they fight? But no, really. What kind of ridiculously outdated worldview do you have of a feudal lord riding through and all his serfs are obligated to fight in his army. No matter which side you actually want them to fight on. Also telling of your horribly outdated world view is that you seem to have ignored universal suffrage in your call to only MEN having to fight fight for their country. EDIT: maybe you should join ISIS, you and them seem to have a lot in common on how you view the world.
-can you be more of a coward?. kurds are fighting for themselves, turks hold their ground, iraqis are trying, even US is defending their interests, iranians die for ideologies alone, ukrainians are fighting but syrians just run away like motherfuckers.
-the shells are flying over your head and you want to vote; that's just gold, that's pure gold.
-women would not be allowed to fight?; it's the middle east there...
-sides?, i prefer them to fight for their side. they started this. they had(seemingly) choices in the beginning.
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On September 12 2015 06:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 06:01 xM(Z wrote:
i have zero compassion for syrian male refugees. none, nada.
they should go back and fight/die for their country. On which side would you prefer they fight? But no, really. What kind of ridiculously outdated worldview do you have of a feudal lord riding through and all his serfs are obligated to fight in his army. No matter which side you actually want them to fight on. Also telling of your horribly outdated world view is that you seem to have ignored universal suffrage in your call to only MEN having to fight fight for their country. EDIT: maybe you should join ISIS, you and them seem to have a lot in common on how you view the world.
You are ridiculous if you think fightinig to ensure safety of your family is outdated. But if you are really Dutch and those views are common there, no wonder Srebrenica happened.
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On September 12 2015 06:30 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 06:07 Acrofales wrote:On September 12 2015 06:01 xM(Z wrote:
i have zero compassion for syrian male refugees. none, nada.
they should go back and fight/die for their country. On which side would you prefer they fight? But no, really. What kind of ridiculously outdated worldview do you have of a feudal lord riding through and all his serfs are obligated to fight in his army. No matter which side you actually want them to fight on. Also telling of your horribly outdated world view is that you seem to have ignored universal suffrage in your call to only MEN having to fight fight for their country. EDIT: maybe you should join ISIS, you and them seem to have a lot in common on how you view the world. -can you be more of a coward?. kurds are fighting for themselves, turks hold their ground, iraqis are trying, even US is defending their interests, iranians die for ideologies alone, ukrainians are fighting but syrians just run away like motherfuckers. -the shells are flying over your head and you want to vote; that's just gold, that's pure gold. -women would not be allowed to fight?; it's the middle east there... -sides?, i prefer them to fight for their side. they started this. they had(seemingly) choices in the beginning.
I feel your understanding of the conflict in Syria is extremely limited.
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On September 12 2015 06:30 xM(Z wrote:
[etc...] ukrainians are fighting but syrians just run away like motherfuckers.
I wasn't aware that every Ukrainian man was fighting. Gee, according to you, that must make basically all men not participating in wars happening in their home countries cowards then, 'eh?
But then there'd also be many syrians fighting against different groups anyway, wouldn't there?
e.g. Rebels fighting Assad, thinking they're fighting for their country but OH! No, according to you, seemingly that's not even worth a mention anyway because syrians just run away like motherfuckers .
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On September 12 2015 06:31 Narw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 06:07 Acrofales wrote:On September 12 2015 06:01 xM(Z wrote:
i have zero compassion for syrian male refugees. none, nada.
they should go back and fight/die for their country. On which side would you prefer they fight? But no, really. What kind of ridiculously outdated worldview do you have of a feudal lord riding through and all his serfs are obligated to fight in his army. No matter which side you actually want them to fight on. Also telling of your horribly outdated world view is that you seem to have ignored universal suffrage in your call to only MEN having to fight fight for their country. EDIT: maybe you should join ISIS, you and them seem to have a lot in common on how you view the world. You are ridiculous if you think fightinig to ensure safety of your family is outdated. But if you are really Dutch and those views are common there, no wonder Srebrenica happened.
Nice way to completely misrepresent what I'm saying. I'm not saying it is wrong to fight to ensure the safety of your family and your homeland. I am saying it is NOT wrong to NOT want to put your life on the line for whatever shitstorm is happening in Syria. Especially if you do not actually believe in any of the causes, and were just keeping your head down and working as <insert job here>.
Lets see:
1. Oppressive military asshole dictator
2. Any one of a fuckton of badly organized militants with varying ideals
3. Kurdish independence forces
4. Insane radical Sunni terrorists
Take your pick! Or, if you don't feel like any of them will help you simply lead your life as a <insert job here>, feel free to not fight.
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Moltke and Whitedog, please take your bickering to PM, thanks.
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On September 12 2015 06:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 06:30 xM(Z wrote:On September 12 2015 06:07 Acrofales wrote:On September 12 2015 06:01 xM(Z wrote:
i have zero compassion for syrian male refugees. none, nada.
they should go back and fight/die for their country. On which side would you prefer they fight? But no, really. What kind of ridiculously outdated worldview do you have of a feudal lord riding through and all his serfs are obligated to fight in his army. No matter which side you actually want them to fight on. Also telling of your horribly outdated world view is that you seem to have ignored universal suffrage in your call to only MEN having to fight fight for their country. EDIT: maybe you should join ISIS, you and them seem to have a lot in common on how you view the world. -can you be more of a coward?. kurds are fighting for themselves, turks hold their ground, iraqis are trying, even US is defending their interests, iranians die for ideologies alone, ukrainians are fighting but syrians just run away like motherfuckers. -the shells are flying over your head and you want to vote; that's just gold, that's pure gold. -women would not be allowed to fight?; it's the middle east there... -sides?, i prefer them to fight for their side. they started this. they had(seemingly) choices in the beginning. I feel your understanding of the conflict in Syria is extremely limited.
nope, i just have a different definition for the word victim. if you're dead, you're a victim; else you have choices.
Edit:@Acrofales
I am saying it is NOT wrong to NOT want to put your life on the line for whatever shitstorm is happening in Syria.
it's very wrong to do that then demand rights somewhere else.
you do that then you come to me?, to my house?; then leave your shit at the door and follow the house rules.
you demand nothing, you expect nothing. when i give you what i have you don't shit on it then go to Germany 'cause there be more goodies for you.
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damn you are radical xM)Z. I totally get why syrians would bait the fuck out. I'd totally bait the fuck out if there were an all out war from my country. I don't feel "Belgian" enough to risk my live for it. I'd move my fucking ass to the safest country as fast as my leg could run me to. But if a country was kind enough to accept my sorry ass, I bet you anything I'll do all I can do to bent to the law of my hosts.
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Yeah, I don't blame people for choosing to leave, and I don't think there's anything wrong with accepting them as long as they really do intend to be good-faith contributors to the society to which they immigrate. The problem is when that isn't the case.
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On September 12 2015 08:23 Faust852 wrote:
damn you are radical xM)Z. I totally get why syrians would bait the fuck out. I'd totally bait the fuck out if there were an all out war from my country. I don't feel "Belgian" enough to risk my live for it. I'd move my fucking ass to the safest country as fast as my leg could run me to. But if a country was kind enough to accept my sorry ass, I bet you anything I'll do all I can do to bent to the law of my hosts.
how am i a radical?. i think that self preservation for the sake of self preservation is worthless, egotistical and should not be rewarded.
if you don't feel you belong to any social structure(starting from family then(perhaps) going all the way up to the state)) then i feel sorry for you. i will accept your cowardly sorry ass but it'll be you who'll change, for the better.
ye i preached a little at the end there but man, i wish a day will come when you'll have nowhere safe to run to just to see what will you do then.
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On September 12 2015 17:06 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 08:23 Faust852 wrote:
damn you are radical xM)Z. I totally get why syrians would bait the fuck out. I'd totally bait the fuck out if there were an all out war from my country. I don't feel "Belgian" enough to risk my live for it. I'd move my fucking ass to the safest country as fast as my leg could run me to. But if a country was kind enough to accept my sorry ass, I bet you anything I'll do all I can do to bent to the law of my hosts. how am i a radical?. i think that self preservation for the sake of self preservation is worthless, egotistical and should not be rewarded. if you don't feel you belong to any social structure(starting from family then(perhaps) going all the way up to the state)) then i feel sorry for you. i will accept your cowardly sorry ass but it'll be you who'll change, for the better. ye i preached a little at the end there but man, i wish a day will come when you'll have nowhere safe to run to just to see what will you do then.
Well that's not really sympathetic at all. I think patriotism and nationalism is the dumbest thing ever, why should I risk my life because I was unlucky to be born on a ground which is at war. Damn I don't fucking give a shit about our flag, or anthem or whatever. I'd better fight for something that has a meaning for me, like my fucking life, or my family's. But fuck the country, if they are at a war that I have no responsiblity for.
Anyway, I won't wish you a day where everything is terrible and you have to lose everything, I'm not as evil.
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On September 12 2015 08:23 Faust852 wrote:
damn you are radical xM)Z. I totally get why syrians would bait the fuck out. I'd totally bait the fuck out if there were an all out war from my country. I don't feel "Belgian" enough to risk my live for it. I'd move my fucking ass to the safest country as fast as my leg could run me to. But if a country was kind enough to accept my sorry ass, I bet you anything I'll do all I can do to bent to the law of my hosts.
Fortunately or unfortunately there is a long record of how Muslim migrants do in Europe.
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On September 12 2015 17:15 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 17:06 xM(Z wrote:On September 12 2015 08:23 Faust852 wrote:
damn you are radical xM)Z. I totally get why syrians would bait the fuck out. I'd totally bait the fuck out if there were an all out war from my country. I don't feel "Belgian" enough to risk my live for it. I'd move my fucking ass to the safest country as fast as my leg could run me to. But if a country was kind enough to accept my sorry ass, I bet you anything I'll do all I can do to bent to the law of my hosts. how am i a radical?. i think that self preservation for the sake of self preservation is worthless, egotistical and should not be rewarded. if you don't feel you belong to any social structure(starting from family then(perhaps) going all the way up to the state)) then i feel sorry for you. i will accept your cowardly sorry ass but it'll be you who'll change, for the better. ye i preached a little at the end there but man, i wish a day will come when you'll have nowhere safe to run to just to see what will you do then. Well that's not really sympathetic at all. I think patriotism and nationalism is the dumbest thing ever, why should I risk my life because I was unlucky to be born on a ground which is at war. Damn I don't fucking give a shit about our flag, or anthem or whatever. I'd better fight for something that has a meaning for me, like my fucking life, or my family's. But fuck the country, if they are at a war that I have no responsiblity for. Anyway, I won't wish you a day where everything is terrible and you have to lose everything, I'm not as evil.
i think globalization is the dumbest thing ever and that you make your own luck.
syrians were not born in a war torn country. they allowed war to happen(or started the war/rebellion) and their wealth is(or better said, was) few times higher than all the east EU combined. they had it all and they fucked it all away.
i bolded that part because you're not using it the right way. that family of yours need to stay somewhere; you know, like an actual physical place. it can't live in your imagination so whether you like it or not, you are bound to something more than people.
in the end i'm not more brain washed than you are, is just i want to make sure that for the future, there will still be someone in my house receiving people, the few that it can. that the refugees won't be meet with a gun to their head or there'll be no house left at all.
ps: i wasn't wishing you evil/bad things. i put you in the position of being the one that can and should create those safe heavens you need but you just bailed yet again. np man, i'll still have a house here with an open door receiving whom ever wants in and deserves it, limited by my means of course.
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On September 12 2015 18:42 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 17:15 Faust852 wrote:On September 12 2015 17:06 xM(Z wrote:On September 12 2015 08:23 Faust852 wrote:
damn you are radical xM)Z. I totally get why syrians would bait the fuck out. I'd totally bait the fuck out if there were an all out war from my country. I don't feel "Belgian" enough to risk my live for it. I'd move my fucking ass to the safest country as fast as my leg could run me to. But if a country was kind enough to accept my sorry ass, I bet you anything I'll do all I can do to bent to the law of my hosts. how am i a radical?. i think that self preservation for the sake of self preservation is worthless, egotistical and should not be rewarded. if you don't feel you belong to any social structure(starting from family then(perhaps) going all the way up to the state)) then i feel sorry for you. i will accept your cowardly sorry ass but it'll be you who'll change, for the better. ye i preached a little at the end there but man, i wish a day will come when you'll have nowhere safe to run to just to see what will you do then. Well that's not really sympathetic at all. I think patriotism and nationalism is the dumbest thing ever, why should I risk my life because I was unlucky to be born on a ground which is at war. Damn I don't fucking give a shit about our flag, or anthem or whatever. I'd better fight for something that has a meaning for me, like my fucking life, or my family's. But fuck the country, if they are at a war that I have no responsiblity for. Anyway, I won't wish you a day where everything is terrible and you have to lose everything, I'm not as evil. i think globalization is the dumbest thing ever and that you make your own luck. syrians were not born in a war torn country. they allowed war to happen(or started the war/rebellion) and their wealth is(or better said, was) few times higher than all the east EU combined. they had it all and they fucked it all away. i bolded that part because you're not using it the right way. that family of yours need to stay somewhere; you know, like an actual physical place. it can't live in your imagination so whether you like it or not, you are bound to something more than people. in the end i'm not more brain washed than you are, is just i want to make sure that for the future, there will still be someone in my house receiving people, the few that it can. that the refugees won't be meet with a gun to their head or there'll be no house left at all. ps: i wasn't wishing you evil/bad things. i put you in the position of being the one that can and should create those safe heavens you need but you just bailed yet again. np man, i'll still have a house here with an open door receiving whom ever wants in and deserves it, limited by my means of course.
Globalization is a wonderful thing, to bad it's original concept is being raped to death by greed. And with it, as you said, you can make your own luck anywhere as long a you work for it. Not everyone is born equal but globalization is pushing to it, and allowing the lesser lucky to try and give it a go.
Anyway, you say you'll defend your home against the attacker, but it's still words, you aren't in this situation, and probably will never be. I personnally value my life and my wit above any other possessions, but that's a matter of preference I guess. If I were to lose my home because of a war or something, well I won't be responsible for that, and I'd better give my talents to someone who needs it to build prosperity than someone who need it for war and destruction.
Most of the time you are powerless and are forced to watch your country running to its doom. I do whatever is in my abilities. I vote, I watch the news, I read about each politicians. Can't do much more can I ?
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A "you let it happen" is extremely short sighted. Syria was on a decade drought, took huge number of refugees from nearby countries that were being destabilized over and over, and external powers put resources to fracture the country.
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those are valid points when arguing from a victims perspective which i refuse to do mostly on ideological grounds.
i refuse to believe that an able body and mind is a victim of circumstance or /whatever.
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Psychologically, it depends on the scale of your mental horizons. A Chinese villager in 1940 was able to take up arms against Nationalist columns, Japanese patrols, Communist bands, and roving bandits simultaneously because his world did not extend beyond his village, and the smallness of his world magnified his own greatness in it. It is owing to the same lack of mental globalisation that the Taliban are able to ward off the Americans for a decade in their villages and valleys, despite their ludicrous inferiority in firepower and resources. If the Taliban had the global awareness of Belgium, they would have surrendered on the first day.
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