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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 19 2022 21:00 GMT
#27461
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williamserna
Profile Joined May 2022
Philippines2 Posts
May 30 2022 03:52 GMT
#27462
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-06 13:24:16
June 06 2022 13:24 GMT
#27463
TIL there is a possible War scare going on in the Mediterranean. Like time traveling back to the 1990's.

Athens is reportedly on full alert even for the most extreme scenario on the part of Ankara, given that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is under pressure domestically and resorting to increasingly incendiary rhetoric.

This concern is further augmented by the concentration of refugees and migrants on the Turkish coast, mainly in the areas opposite Chios and Samos. There have been reports about the growing presence of boats in these areas that could be used by migrants arriving on the coast.

The influx of refugees and migrants on the Turkish coast, combined with the rhetoric of Turkish government officials, has led diplomatic and military circles in Athens to dust off previous crisis scenarios.

These include the possibility of migrants landing on an island that Ankara says is of “indefinite ownership” or nearby and Turkey launching an operation to collect them under the pretext that the area is under Ankara’s ​​responsibility for search and rescue.

Turkey has said it challenges the sovereignty of eastern Aegean islands that are militarized.

Refugees and migrants have often been used by Turkey as a tool of pressure on Greece, which in this case often faces not only the geopolitical but also the humanitarian dimension of the issue.

In light of this Greece’s armed forces in the Eastern Aegean continue to move on the basis of an increased degree of vigilance and readiness, in order to react if necessary. However, so far, the main military activity of the Turkish Armed Forces has been the Efes 2022 military exercise which is unfolding within the borders of Turkish territorial waters and without interference, in some cases due to the US participation in it.

Meanwhile, Athens has been active diplomatically to promote Greece’s positions and highlight Turkish aggression. Last week the Foreign Ministry supplied Greece’s embassies and representations abroad with 16 maps from 1972 until the present that show how Turkey’s claims have changed to seek influence over more than half the Aegean Sea.

Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis also briefed foreign leaders, and showed German Chancellor Olaf Scholz a map of the “Blue Homeland” doctrine espoused by Ankara, which envisions Turkish influence over large swaths of the eastern Mediterranean, highlighting Turkish revisionism.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 11 2022 15:53 GMT
#27464
So the Turkish and Greek standoff continues, surprised the EU hasn't stepped in to try and back Greece up.

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday warned Greece to demilitarize islands in the Aegean Sea, saying he was “not joking” and posting tweets in Greek and English, in a marked harshening of rhetoric against Turkey’s neighbor and historic regional rival.

Turkey says Greece has been building a military presence in violation of treaties that guarantee the unarmed status of the Aegean islands. It argues the islands were ceded to Greece on the condition they remained demilitarized.

Athens counters that the islands, which have been garrisoned for decades and lie within close striking distance of a large Turkish landing fleet, can’t be left undefended.

“We invite Greece to stop arming the islands that have non-military status and to act in accordance with international agreements,“ Erdogan said on the final day of military exercises taking place near Izmir, on Turkey’s Aegean coast. “I’m not joking, I’m speaking seriously. This nation is determined.”

Greece and Turkey are NATO allies, but have a history of disputes over a range of issues, including mineral exploration in the eastern Mediterranean and rival claims in the Aegean Sea.

The two countries came close to war three times in the past half century, the last being in 1996 over ownership of an uninhabited eastern Aegean islet. But Ankara has recently been questioning Greece’s sovereignty over large, inhabited Greek islands — Rhodes, Kos and Lesbos, for example, would meet the description of “militarized” islands.

“We warn Greece to stay away from dreams, statements and actions that will lead to regret, as it did a century ago, and to return to its senses,” the Turkish leader said. A hundred years ago, Turkey defeated Greece after a three-year war that saw Greek armies invade western Turkey.

Greece maintains Turkey has deliberately misinterpreted the treaties and says it has legal grounds to defend itself following hostile actions by Ankara, including a long-standing threat of war if Greece extended its territorial waters.

Later Thursday, Erdogan made the rare move of tweeting in Greek and English, saying: “As Turkey will not resign its rights in the Aegean, it will not hesitate either to make use of its rights arising from international treaties on the issue of the islands’ demilitarization.”

Greek government spokesman Giannis Oikonomou commented that Erdogan’s choice of Greek was “notable.”

“Greek is known as the language of reason, freedom and justice,” he said. “The tactics Turkey has chosen do not fall under any of these categories.”

Earlier, Oikonomou said Greece was dealing with Turkish “provocations” with “calm and determination.”

“It is clear to everyone that our country has upgraded its geostrategic and geopolitical footprint as well as its deterrent capacity to be able at any time to defend its national sovereignty and sovereign rights,” he said.

Meanwhile, Erdogan also reiterated Turkey’s determination to launch a new cross-border offensive in Syria with the goal of pushing back Syrian Kurdish militia and creating a 30-kilometer (19-mile) buffer zone. Turkey regards the militia as an extension of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK.

“We will never allow the establishment of terror corridors along our country’s borders, and we will definitely complete the missing parts of our security zone,” the Turkish leader said.

Erdogan continued: “We hope that none of our real allies and friends will oppose our legitimate security concerns.”

Erdogan has said that Turkey’s new offensive in Syria would target the towns of Tall Rifat and Manbij, which lie west of the Euphrates River and from where the Syrian Kurdish fighters launch attacks on Turkish targets.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden695 Posts
June 19 2022 18:41 GMT
#27465
Seems like Macron will loose his majority in the parliament.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/macron-faces-tough-battle-control-parliament-france-votes-2022-06-19/

"PARIS, June 19 (Reuters) - President Emmanuel Macron is on course to lose his absolute majority in the National Assembly and control of his reform agenda after the first projections by four pollsters showed Sunday's election delivering a hung parliament."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12154 Posts
June 19 2022 18:49 GMT
#27466
This is a way above average result, I was not expecting this to turn out this well. I was wrong.

A better world is possible.
No will to live, no wish to die
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 19 2022 20:01 GMT
#27467
So Macron will no longer be head of state?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42539 Posts
June 19 2022 20:04 GMT
#27468
On June 20 2022 05:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Macron will no longer be head of state?

President is not prime minister.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 19 2022 21:57 GMT
#27469
On June 20 2022 05:04 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2022 05:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Macron will no longer be head of state?

President is not prime minister.


But can't they now force an election, isn't that what happened to Chirac?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12154 Posts
June 19 2022 22:16 GMT
#27470
I don't know what you're refering to, would be interested to read about it.

Either way even if they could it would be a bad idea. Macron got the most votes in the presidential and in the legislative, it wouldn't make a ton of sense and chances are he would simply be reelected. No group has enough power to take his place without making an alliance that shouldn't be made.
No will to live, no wish to die
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6204 Posts
June 20 2022 05:43 GMT
#27471
On June 20 2022 06:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2022 05:04 KwarK wrote:
On June 20 2022 05:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Macron will no longer be head of state?

President is not prime minister.


But can't they now force an election, isn't that what happened to Chirac?

No, Chirac finished his two terms.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 28 2022 18:12 GMT
#27472
Nicola Sturgeon has laid out a plan for a Scotland independence referendum next year. Hell yeah Scotland, cheers from America

SCOTLAND will vote in an independence referendum on October 19, 2023, the First Minister has announced as she unveiled preparations for a legal battle with Westminster over indyref2.

In a major update on Scotland’s route to indyref 2, Nicola Sturgeon told MSPs on Tuesday that the Scottish Government will ask the same question as in 2014 and that the referendum will be “consultative”.

Speaking in Holyrood, Sturgeon announced the Scottish Government had published a referendum bill today.

The Lord Advocate Dorothy Bain has referred the bill to the Supreme Court, Sturgeon added, gearing up the Scottish Government for a legal challenge to Westminster.

The First Minister said that if the bill was rejected at that level, it would prove the Union between England and Scotland was not a “voluntary partnership”.

The devolution, first independence and Brexit referendums were all “consultative” referendums, said the First Minister, saying this would mean in the event of a Yes vote, legislation would need to be passed by both Westminster and Holyrood to complete the separation of Scotland and the UK.


https://www.thenational.scot/news/20241027.scottish-independence-nicola-sturgeon-gives-indyref2-date-major-announcement/

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9612 Posts
June 28 2022 18:18 GMT
#27473
On June 29 2022 03:12 plasmidghost wrote:
Nicola Sturgeon has laid out a plan for a Scotland independence referendum next year. Hell yeah Scotland, cheers from America

Show nested quote +
SCOTLAND will vote in an independence referendum on October 19, 2023, the First Minister has announced as she unveiled preparations for a legal battle with Westminster over indyref2.

In a major update on Scotland’s route to indyref 2, Nicola Sturgeon told MSPs on Tuesday that the Scottish Government will ask the same question as in 2014 and that the referendum will be “consultative”.

Speaking in Holyrood, Sturgeon announced the Scottish Government had published a referendum bill today.

The Lord Advocate Dorothy Bain has referred the bill to the Supreme Court, Sturgeon added, gearing up the Scottish Government for a legal challenge to Westminster.

The First Minister said that if the bill was rejected at that level, it would prove the Union between England and Scotland was not a “voluntary partnership”.

The devolution, first independence and Brexit referendums were all “consultative” referendums, said the First Minister, saying this would mean in the event of a Yes vote, legislation would need to be passed by both Westminster and Holyrood to complete the separation of Scotland and the UK.


https://www.thenational.scot/news/20241027.scottish-independence-nicola-sturgeon-gives-indyref2-date-major-announcement/

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1541777894686474243


As much as they deserve it after Brexit, it'll never happen.
RIP Meatloaf <3
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25033 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-28 18:27:25
June 28 2022 18:26 GMT
#27474
Has enough changed in the interim to make this one likely to have a different result?

I suppose we’re a while out yet, to me it feels a little premature and potentially swallowed up with the alteration to normal business that COVID and now Ukraine have caused.

I mean I’d quite like the land of my forefathers untethered from the seemingly now perpetual Tory rule, same with my own land but I’m not sure if they’ll be able to get it over the line this time and that could set things back quite a bit.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11484 Posts
June 28 2022 18:37 GMT
#27475
On June 29 2022 03:26 WombaT wrote:
Has enough changed in the interim to make this one likely to have a different result?

I suppose we’re a while out yet, to me it feels a little premature and potentially swallowed up with the alteration to normal business that COVID and now Ukraine have caused.

I mean I’d quite like the land of my forefathers untethered from the seemingly now perpetual Tory rule, same with my own land but I’m not sure if they’ll be able to get it over the line this time and that could set things back quite a bit.


Since the last referendum, Brexit happened. IIRC one of the major reasons for a lot of scots to vote to stay in the UK was that leaving the UK would lead to leaving the EU, too. That reason is gone now, which may change opinions. In fact, it may even be possible for Scotland to join the EU without England.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 28 2022 19:07 GMT
#27476
On June 29 2022 03:26 WombaT wrote:
Has enough changed in the interim to make this one likely to have a different result?

I suppose we’re a while out yet, to me it feels a little premature and potentially swallowed up with the alteration to normal business that COVID and now Ukraine have caused.

I mean I’d quite like the land of my forefathers untethered from the seemingly now perpetual Tory rule, same with my own land but I’m not sure if they’ll be able to get it over the line this time and that could set things back quite a bit.

Going through Scottish Twitter, many people believe that with the new protest law in England being enacted and the general state of the country itself, England is becoming a fascist police state and they want no part of that
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6204 Posts
June 28 2022 19:08 GMT
#27477
Leaving the UK will be even worse for Scotland than Brexit is for the UK. England is by far their largest trading partner and they get large subsidies from England to finance their budget deficit. It'd be a disaster.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9612 Posts
June 28 2022 19:16 GMT
#27478
On June 29 2022 04:07 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2022 03:26 WombaT wrote:
Has enough changed in the interim to make this one likely to have a different result?

I suppose we’re a while out yet, to me it feels a little premature and potentially swallowed up with the alteration to normal business that COVID and now Ukraine have caused.

I mean I’d quite like the land of my forefathers untethered from the seemingly now perpetual Tory rule, same with my own land but I’m not sure if they’ll be able to get it over the line this time and that could set things back quite a bit.

Going through Scottish Twitter, many people believe that with the new protest law in England being enacted and the general state of the country itself, England is becoming a fascist police state and they want no part of that

The thing about fascist police states is that they don't like large chunks of the country to become independent.
There was a law passed today that basically makes the traveller community illegal. Mind you, they have always been easy targets for fascists.
RIP Meatloaf <3
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 28 2022 19:18 GMT
#27479
On June 29 2022 04:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2022 04:07 plasmidghost wrote:
On June 29 2022 03:26 WombaT wrote:
Has enough changed in the interim to make this one likely to have a different result?

I suppose we’re a while out yet, to me it feels a little premature and potentially swallowed up with the alteration to normal business that COVID and now Ukraine have caused.

I mean I’d quite like the land of my forefathers untethered from the seemingly now perpetual Tory rule, same with my own land but I’m not sure if they’ll be able to get it over the line this time and that could set things back quite a bit.

Going through Scottish Twitter, many people believe that with the new protest law in England being enacted and the general state of the country itself, England is becoming a fascist police state and they want no part of that

The thing about fascist police states is that they don't like large chunks of the country to become independent.
There was a law passed today that basically makes the traveller community illegal. Mind you, they have always been easy targets for fascists.

I read about that law too. Fucking bleak. I'm hoping that Scotland's decision can actually come to fruition, but I don't know what the UK is going to look like next year. From a purely outsider's perspective, it doesn't look good
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25033 Posts
June 28 2022 19:54 GMT
#27480
On June 29 2022 04:08 RvB wrote:
Leaving the UK will be even worse for Scotland than Brexit is for the UK. England is by far their largest trading partner and they get large subsidies from England to finance their budget deficit. It'd be a disaster.

Why can’t they continue to trade?

As with a mooted unification of Ireland, there are problems, some big, they’re not insurmountable. The economy is only as important as it affects people’s lives. Be it in times of feast or famine people have been shafted by many a Tory policy at the end of the day.

The alternative is remaining tethered to an increasingly myopic English nationalism that simultaneously doesn’t give a fuck about your country, but ‘cares’ about the Union.

Much can and no doubt will change in the interim, it’s still a fair while off
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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