EPTEdit: Kharkiv has held out, many buildings damaged.
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Edit: Kharkiv has held out, many buildings damaged. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On February 27 2022 08:04 Simberto wrote: I must say that your posts are horribly scary. I, as a person who has lived a secure life so far, can not even imagine what that would feel like. And you were in the same position just a week ago. It seems unreal even to me from a distance. I wish for you to be save. During the first night/day we've been shocked by the events, was surral and full of stress. I also lived a normal life, feels like ages ago. Right now I'm not sure we have enough cortisol secretion to be afraid. My friend is a psychietrists who works with soldiers with PTSD/other mental deseases, she argued that our body adapts to low frequency sounds which results less stress. Maybe all at once. 3 days ago I could not even imagine I'll be able to distinguish the sounds of heavy artillery/aircrafts, but here we are. Life is so unpredictable, but we'll get through these mess hopefully Thank you for supporting! Every word matters a lot! | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On February 27 2022 08:28 plasmidghost wrote: No way. Russia's economy is going to collapse in a matter of days now https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/1497707103347220482 Which is why I find it scary to think what the madman Putin will resort to if not stopped by Russians (politicians). I'm obviously in favor of everything that helps the Ukraine tho. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21650 Posts
On February 27 2022 08:32 HolydaKing wrote: If he goes crazy over this he was going to go crazy anyway is my reasoning. Which is why I find it scary to think what the madman Putin will resort to if not stopped by Russians (politicians). I'm obviously in favor of everything that helps the Ukraine tho. If it happens it happens, and there isn't a whole lot 'we' could have done to prevent it. Giving in to Russia is not an option. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On February 27 2022 08:44 Gorsameth wrote: If he goes crazy over this he was going to go crazy anyway is my reasoning. If it happens it happens, and there isn't a whole lot 'we' could have done to prevent it. Giving in to Russia is not an option. Right, that's the correct way to see it. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
edit: Cooler heads have got to fucking prevail here. Someone has got to convince Putin to order units to go back to their corners. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On February 27 2022 08:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Won't happen. That is an automatic starter for, again, WW3. Never mind that there isn't an EU military force. yet. Let alone a command structure. https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1497596244105076736 edit: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1497701484003213317 Cooler heads have got to fucking prevail here. Someone has got to convince Putin to order units to go back to their corners. Hopefully he couldn't convince everyone in his staff that Zelenskyy is a nazi and the other trash things he said. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17975 Posts
On February 27 2022 08:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Won't happen. That is an automatic starter for, again, WW3. Never mind that there isn't an EU military force. yet. Let alone a command structure. https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1497596244105076736 edit: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1497701484003213317 Cooler heads have got to fucking prevail here. Someone has got to convince Putin to order units to go back to their corners. Poland introducing this bill is purely symbolic. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
Part of me has to think if Putin will get deposed as losses get worse | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21650 Posts
That feels very very ambitious. city fights are a nightmare. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
On February 27 2022 08:32 HolydaKing wrote: Which is why I find it scary to think what the madman Putin will resort to if not stopped by Russians (politicians). I'm obviously in favor of everything that helps the Ukraine tho. Well, if that was to happen, my hope is Putin would follow fate of almost every dictator.. So I hope there is some sane Russian soldier who says "we can't let that happen" | ||
KwarK
United States42566 Posts
On February 27 2022 07:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote: No fly zone means nuclear war, no question. Do you want nuclear armageddon between the US and Russia? Idiot. You think Putin would prefer his death and the death of all Russians to fighting Ukraine on the ground/not fighting Ukraine? I think perhaps you might be the idiot. Nukes are a weapon of last resort when your back is against the wall. Not winning in Ukraine wouldn't put Russia's back against the wall. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On February 27 2022 09:48 KwarK wrote: You think Putin would prefer his death and the death of all Russians to fighting Ukraine on the ground/not fighting Ukraine? I think perhaps you might be the idiot. Nukes are a weapon of last resort when your back is against the wall. Not winning in Ukraine wouldn't put Russia's back against the wall. If you think Putin is an entirely rational actor after his absolutely bizarre Monty Python like TV appearances of the last week I think you're a little bit too optimistic. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On February 27 2022 09:30 SC-Shield wrote: Well, if that was to happen, my hope is Putin would follow fate of almost every dictator.. So I hope there is some sane Russian soldier who says "we can't let that happen" There's the scary part. Who the hell is advising him? Putin is a well known techaverse. He doesn't use phones etc. Especially after the NSA leaks etc. He has been isolated for two years, and is a germaphobe. It seems very few have access to him in any shape or form. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
On February 27 2022 09:51 Nyxisto wrote: If you think Putin is an entirely rational actor after his absolutely bizarre Monty Python like TV appearances of the last week I think you're a little bit too optimistic. He is crazy, but I think he is rational enough still. Not completely crazy in other words. Are you sure you don't fall victim to the Madman theory? Good thing from being a dictator since 1999 is that we have past actions to draw conclusions from. If NATO attempts to attack Russians on their soil, we may see nukes but not if Putin loses to Ukrainian forces or if damages there are too high. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On February 27 2022 09:29 Gorsameth wrote: Taking a city like Kyiv from a determined defender in less then a day? That feels very very ambitious. city fights are a nightmare. Doesn't he have the munitions to simply flatten it through continuous bombardement ? | ||
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Vivax
21971 Posts
Why would you sell your resources to someone who declares the money they gave you invalid on a whim? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On February 27 2022 10:26 Vivax wrote: The only viable option was to stay out of it. Do you really think that China and maybe even India will participate in sanctions? They abstained in the security council for a reason and will likely establish their own payment system with Russia while the ‚west‘ is not invited and goes up in an inflationary fireball of its own making. Why would you sell your resources to someone who declares the money they gave you invalid on a whim? Yeah until said 3 countries realize they are the only ones in this new said system. China, and India especially rely on Trade with the West otherwise their economy is dead in the water. Hell India relies on the West for most of it's foreign policy muscle. So when push comes to shove they can bring in heavy hitters, such as France, or even the US, and UK. That and less than a year ago there was a major border skirmish that claimed lives on both sides. So doubt the public in India would approve of cozying up to China. | ||
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