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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11507 Posts
April 18 2019 18:07 GMT
#24801
That is incredibly stupid.

The best thing a government can do with low-rent flats which it owns is keep them. Selling them off is incredibly stupid, and has never been for the good of anyone but the people with the money to buy flats.

After they are sold, the locust investors try to squeeze as much money out of them as possible, raising rents. Then the flats gain more and more value, because they are property in a city. And after a few years, the flats that the government sold off are worth 10 times as much, and are no longer available for the low-rent people that they were originally thought for.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11822 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-18 19:19:54
April 18 2019 19:19 GMT
#24802
On April 19 2019 03:07 Simberto wrote:
That is incredibly stupid.

The best thing a government can do with low-rent flats which it owns is keep them. Selling them off is incredibly stupid, and has never been for the good of anyone but the people with the money to buy flats.

After they are sold, the locust investors try to squeeze as much money out of them as possible, raising rents. Then the flats gain more and more value, because they are property in a city. And after a few years, the flats that the government sold off are worth 10 times as much, and are no longer available for the low-rent people that they were originally thought for.


There is one major reason for selling them off. Financing building more of them. This assumes the city isn't pushing money in for new buildings while the holding company has to build new stuff. Any other reason is stupid though, I agree with that.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-18 23:20:35
April 18 2019 23:18 GMT
#24803
On April 19 2019 03:07 Simberto wrote:
That is incredibly stupid.

The best thing a government can do with low-rent flats which it owns is keep them. Selling them off is incredibly stupid, and has never been for the good of anyone but the people with the money to buy flats.

After they are sold, the locust investors try to squeeze as much money out of them as possible, raising rents. Then the flats gain more and more value, because they are property in a city. And after a few years, the flats that the government sold off are worth 10 times as much, and are no longer available for the low-rent people that they were originally thought for.


Well raising prices arbitrarily is only possible in a market that has no competition, which in many cities is owed to continued anti-construction efforts by the same groups who also complain about greedy landlords.

In Berlin for example the construction of several large apartment complexes was stopped by activists who wanted to preserve some old part of the berlin wall. This happens rather frequently whenever some old underused plot of land is up for possible reconstruction.

It's always pretty ironic when you see predominantly people from upper middle class backgrounds living in rent controlled appartments protest against construction because they want to protect some cultural artifact or their terrace view.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 19 2019 15:21 GMT
#24804
To German people:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


1) Is this an official European campaign poster from the AfD?
2) Is Eurabien a noun or an adjective? Does it read "So that Europe does not become Eurabia" or "Eurabian"?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10699 Posts
April 19 2019 15:54 GMT
#24805
1) not sure bit its entirely possible.
2) its a noun. I guess they call their majority muslim europe scarecrow like that.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
April 19 2019 15:59 GMT
#24806
Some quick google-fu suggests that it is an official poster

+ Show Spoiler +


Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9193 Posts
April 19 2019 16:02 GMT
#24807
Tip: if you want your image or tweet to be visible insde the spoiler, put a space between the [spoiler] and the thing you're placing inside.
You're now breathing manually
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11507 Posts
April 19 2019 16:23 GMT
#24808
Dunno if it is official, haven't seen one of those around here. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest though, totally fits typical AfD ads.

"Eurabien" would be a noun (It is not a "made-up" word though). The german word for "Arabia" is "Arabien", and thus it is a valid way of combining "Europa" and "Arabien"

Translation of the complete poster into english would be
top right, small: "This picture is part of the AfD picture-series "Learning from the history of europe""
Big, main slogan: "So that Europe doesn't become "Eurabia"!"
Bottom left: "Europeans vote for AfD!"
Bottom right: AfD logo, text: "Alternative for Germany state association for Berlin"
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 19 2019 16:30 GMT
#24809
On April 20 2019 00:54 Velr wrote:
1) not sure bit its entirely possible.
2) its a noun. I guess they call their majority muslim europe scarecrow like that.

On April 20 2019 00:59 Dan HH wrote:
Some quick google-fu suggests that it is an official poster

+ Show Spoiler +

https://twitter.com/AfDBerlin/status/1115572899115675649

On April 20 2019 01:23 Simberto wrote:
Dunno if it is official, haven't seen one of those around here. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest though, totally fits typical AfD ads.

"Eurabien" would be a noun (It is not a "made-up" word though). The german word for "Arabia" is "Arabien", and thus it is a valid way of combining "Europa" and "Arabien"

Translation of the complete poster into english would be
top right, small: "This picture is part of the AfD picture-series "Learning from the history of europe""
Big, main slogan: "So that Europe doesn't become "Eurabia"!"
Bottom left: "Europeans vote for AfD!"
Bottom right: AfD logo, text: "Alternative for Germany state association for Berlin"

Thanks to you people!
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
April 23 2019 08:03 GMT
#24810
On April 20 2019 00:21 TheDwf wrote:
To German people:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


1) Is this an official European campaign poster from the AfD?
2) Is Eurabien a noun or an adjective? Does it read "So that Europe does not become Eurabia" or "Eurabian"?

This is normal in mainland Europe to show naked breasts on a billboard?

Suicides amongst French police double from the same period in 2018.
https://www.euronews.com/2019/04/19/french-police-demand-better-working-conditions-after-spike-in-suicides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17982 Posts
April 23 2019 08:19 GMT
#24811
On April 23 2019 17:03 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2019 00:21 TheDwf wrote:
To German people:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


1) Is this an official European campaign poster from the AfD?
2) Is Eurabien a noun or an adjective? Does it read "So that Europe does not become Eurabia" or "Eurabian"?

This is normal in mainland Europe to show naked breasts on a billboard?

Suicides amongst French police double from the same period in 2018.
https://www.euronews.com/2019/04/19/french-police-demand-better-working-conditions-after-spike-in-suicides

That's a 19th century painting... I find it quite interesting that what gets your attention is the fact that there's a boob visible rather than the idea that "Eurabia" would have 19th century slave markets as one of its prominent features.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9193 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-23 08:27:14
April 23 2019 08:24 GMT
#24812
It's normal if it's an art piece. Not normal (and illegal) if real photos are used. Drawn porn is also not normal and illegal.

Hey, the fact that they chose to use a piece with naked breasts was my first thought too. AfD should consider asking their new friends in the europarliament to teach them some subtlety.
You're now breathing manually
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
April 23 2019 08:35 GMT
#24813
but actual men don't do diplomacy ...
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10699 Posts
April 23 2019 08:36 GMT
#24814
On April 23 2019 17:03 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2019 00:21 TheDwf wrote:
To German people:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


1) Is this an official European campaign poster from the AfD?
2) Is Eurabien a noun or an adjective? Does it read "So that Europe does not become Eurabia" or "Eurabian"?

This is normal in mainland Europe to show naked breasts on a billboard?

Suicides amongst French police double from the same period in 2018.
https://www.euronews.com/2019/04/19/french-police-demand-better-working-conditions-after-spike-in-suicides


It didn't even catch my eye when looking at it. I think its not allowed to show breasts in a sexual context, but like it is done in the above is no problem.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
April 23 2019 09:01 GMT
#24815
Ukraine leapt into the unknown Monday after comedian Volodymyr Zelensky was elected president on promises of change but with just a vague blueprint of what he might do as leader.

Zelensky, whose previous political experience was playing the president on a TV show, crushed incumbent Petro Poroshenko in a stinging rebuke to the establishment fuelled by voters' anger over war with separatists and social injustice.

Ukrainians looked to the future with hope and anxiety after the performer took 73 percent of the vote on Sunday, according to nearly complete official results.

Zelensky at 41 will become Ukraine's youngest ever president when he is sworn into office by early June.
so that happened. many eyes are on him trying to gauge a direction/heading while others say he'll not last even a year.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4764 Posts
April 23 2019 10:11 GMT
#24816
So it seems like not only the US and a few others have been fed up with the classical way of politics.
This can be seen as a global trend now?

Also, what do we call this? Societal suicide? Societal existentialism? It clearly shows that politicians have failed the citizens they supposedly have to help with change and whatever and this might seem like the reaction to it. OR, people have become so disenfranchized with what politics is (especially the administratory body of work) that they can no longer see through the smoke blowing.
Taxes are for Terrans
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
April 23 2019 10:28 GMT
#24817
On April 23 2019 19:11 Uldridge wrote:
So it seems like not only the US and a few others have been fed up with the classical way of politics.
This can be seen as a global trend now?

Also, what do we call this? Societal suicide? Societal existentialism? It clearly shows that politicians have failed the citizens they supposedly have to help with change and whatever and this might seem like the reaction to it. OR, people have become so disenfranchized with what politics is (especially the administratory body of work) that they can no longer see through the smoke blowing.

My opinion is it signifies the end of an era.
The debts accumulated by nations are too large to repay.The same is true for personal debts of people living in them.

Trump for example only got US gdp over 3% with unsustainable tax cuts.The budget deficit is a mess, US govt debt is 22 trillion.

Then we have disruptive technology like robots, AI, 5G technology allows surgeons to operate remotely thats how good the latency is. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/02/28/business/tech/doctor-performs-first-5g-surgery/

So you combine the debt loads and the disruptive techs, for the average person the economy is not good.They will keep voting for non mainstream parties.It is the beginning of the end of the current system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17982 Posts
April 23 2019 11:03 GMT
#24818
On April 23 2019 19:28 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2019 19:11 Uldridge wrote:
So it seems like not only the US and a few others have been fed up with the classical way of politics.
This can be seen as a global trend now?

Also, what do we call this? Societal suicide? Societal existentialism? It clearly shows that politicians have failed the citizens they supposedly have to help with change and whatever and this might seem like the reaction to it. OR, people have become so disenfranchized with what politics is (especially the administratory body of work) that they can no longer see through the smoke blowing.

My opinion is it signifies the end of an era.
The debts accumulated by nations are too large to repay.The same is true for personal debts of people living in them.

Trump for example only got US gdp over 3% with unsustainable tax cuts.The budget deficit is a mess, US govt debt is 22 trillion.

Then we have disruptive technology like robots, AI, 5G technology allows surgeons to operate remotely thats how good the latency is. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/02/28/business/tech/doctor-performs-first-5g-surgery/

So you combine the debt loads and the disruptive techs, for the average person the economy is not good.They will keep voting for non mainstream parties.It is the beginning of the end of the current system.

Wut? In general people don't give a rats ass about national debt until it blows up (a la Greece).

It's definitely not the reason the Ukrainians elected a comedian.

Disruptive techs are also a future bogeyman. They aren't displacing jobs right now, they are a specter of potential job loss in the future. And thus are not actually affecting what people are voting for at all.

Not that I have any idea what drives people to vote for some clueless noob in politics, but seeing the "career politicians" line their pockets without addressing what people on the street see as the "actual issues" is probably a big factor. The problem is that nobody can actually agree on what the actual issues are. Immigration is played up as a big one, but the direct impact of immigration on actual day-to-day life is minuscule. Presumably the fact that the Ukraine is (still) embroiled in a civil war plays a huge part in politics there, but I don't actually know how electing a comedian solves it. Is he going to get the Crimea back by making Russia laugh?
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-23 11:22:21
April 23 2019 11:14 GMT
#24819
Macron will hold Thursday the first press conference of his mandate to present his plan following the "grand debate". The street will answer him 2 days after during the act 24, the 24th Saturday of protest from the yellow vests...

Last Saturday, between 28 000 (Interior) and 100 000 (Yellow Number) people demonstrated. During this act 23, journalists were deliberately targeted by cops, at least 2 were arrested for arbitrary pretexts + Show Spoiler +
to realize how low France has fallen: one of them got hold like 48 hours in custody because he gave a cop the middle finger after he was pushed... and he is now forbidden from going back to Paris until October
(which vaguely triggered a controversy, quite an achievement given the almost total lack of democratic standards in the French mainstream press), it seems that one protestor lost an eye again, thousands of demonstrators got trapped during several hours in the place of arrival of the demonstration, where they faced cop brutality without any possibility to go out... But pretty much all of this got erased because some of the demonstrators shouted "Suicide yourselves!" to cops after being mistreated for hours. So mainstream medias were like, look how those people are savage beasts full of hate, etc.

Against all evidence, the government keeps denying any cop violence ever happened.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-23 12:57:30
April 23 2019 12:56 GMT
#24820
On April 23 2019 17:19 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2019 17:03 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On April 20 2019 00:21 TheDwf wrote:
To German people:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


1) Is this an official European campaign poster from the AfD?
2) Is Eurabien a noun or an adjective? Does it read "So that Europe does not become Eurabia" or "Eurabian"?

This is normal in mainland Europe to show naked breasts on a billboard?

Suicides amongst French police double from the same period in 2018.
https://www.euronews.com/2019/04/19/french-police-demand-better-working-conditions-after-spike-in-suicides

That's a 19th century painting... I find it quite interesting that what gets your attention is the fact that there's a boob visible rather than the idea that "Eurabia" would have 19th century slave markets as one of its prominent features.

It's really funny, because the original painting used Xenophobia to justify presenting the viewers bared boobs.

Which is exactly what the AfD poster is about. Showcasing that they've either learned the moral corruption from history, or nothing at all.
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