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Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
http://uk.businessinsider.com/arms-sales-by-the-us-and-russia-2014-8?r=US is that better? | ||
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phil.ipp
Austria1067 Posts
On April 29 2015 02:52 oneofthem wrote: uh where has the nsa violated american law in this particular case? i dont think it did, in this particular case. but does that make my statement wrong about the NSA? i am talking about intelligence agencys in general and the problem i have with them, not only NSA, many others as well. though when i answer you, i talk about NSA cause that is YOUR intelligence agency, and i think you can relate better to it. all what you are hearing is, anti americanism. but on this topic you shouldnt be american and i am not an european, we both should be two concerned citizens that criticizing the lacking control and oversight over their intelligence agencys. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On April 29 2015 03:12 oneofthem wrote: the u.s. has maintained(so far anyway) its research and technology edge by a confluence of factors, mainly by providing the best environment for research and technology related business. yes, there has been some foreign assistance or brain drain, but these are either voluntary (as far as british technology exchange during ww2) or not involving government action. I do not deny that. The US invest more and do more for R&D than any european country - I've pointed out in previous posts. But don't tell me that that is all. You know full well there must be ties between economic giants and the government, between intelligence services and firms. Just to give you a perspective, a friend who happens to be a teacher in sociology got the website of his institute hacked or something and the DGSE came to talk with him. Don't tell me that a small good for nothing teacher can have direct contact with secret services, and not a multinational that has trouble acquiring a certain technology. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On April 29 2015 03:18 WhiteDog wrote: I do not deny that. The US invest more and do more for R&D than any european country - I've pointed out in previous posts. But don't tell me that that is all. You know full well there must be ties between economic giants and the government, between intelligence services and firms. Just to give you a perspective, a friend who happens to be a teacher in sociology got the website of his institute hacked or something and the DGSE came to talk with him. Don't tell me that a small good for nothing teacher can have direct contact with secret services, and not a multinational that has trouble acquiring a certain technology. well yea if the u.s. needs a particular piece of security technology they'll go and get it if the gains outweigh the cost. but given the current power landscape that has not been very necessary. it is in the u..s interest to advocate for a neutral position of fairness which would preserve its advantages. there is substantial interest for the u.s. to give moral legitimacy to this position and not much to gain by violating it. to be sure, i can understand and to some extent tolerate some forms of economic espionage by weaker nations. but the whole reaction by europeans seems to be that the u.s. has been the aggressor in this economic espionage stuff. the reality is most definitely the opposite and europe does rely on american technology 'diffusion'. On April 29 2015 03:18 Noizhende wrote: us-companies have sold nearly a billion dollars worth of arms to saudia arabia in 2013 http://uk.businessinsider.com/arms-sales-by-the-us-and-russia-2014-8?r=US is that better? argument was never the u.s. is acting out of humanitarian interest etc, but that it was taking action for security related reason rather than economic espionage. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6277 Posts
On April 29 2015 01:46 oneofthem wrote: the eurocopter dealings with china is pretty extensively documented. time period also fits with the alleged nsa activities. as for dsge spying plenty of public sources on it. as far as 'pretending to know everything' about this incident, i did not. only pointing out that from what the media has reported, it seems like a narrow activity concerning EADS and eurocopter, and this is likely a security related move. Sorry I asked for a source for the French government teaching Airbus to spy. Not for an intelligence agency spying since that seems kind of the point. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On April 29 2015 03:46 RvB wrote: Sorry I asked for a source for the French government teaching Airbus to spy. Not for an intelligence agency spying since that seems kind of the point. http://www.datapacrat.com/True/INTEL/CSIS/COM32E.HTM details the intimate interactino between airbus and dsge. http://articles.philly.com/1993-04-25/business/25981615_1_tilt-rotor-aircraft-french-firms-french-embassy-spokesman is the smoking gun public leak. french politician and intelligence offiicals have also admitted to this. pierre marion was literally both director of the dsge and airbus. this is standard french state-mercantilism. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On April 29 2015 03:22 oneofthem wrote: well yea if the u.s. needs a particular piece of security technology they'll go and get it if the gains outweigh the cost. but given the current power landscape that has not been very necessary. it is in the u..s interest to advocate for a neutral position of fairness which would preserve its advantages. there is substantial interest for the u.s. to give moral legitimacy to this position and not much to gain by violating it. to be sure, i can understand and to some extent tolerate some forms of economic espionage by weaker nations. but the whole reaction by europeans seems to be that the u.s. has been the aggressor in this economic espionage stuff. the reality is most definitely the opposite and europe does rely on american technology 'diffusion'. argument was never the u.s. is acting out of humanitarian interest etc, but that it was taking action for security related reason rather than economic espionage. Well it's no secret that the US' economic environment is much more enterpreneur-friendly than Europe's. Things like pay negotiations are practically nonexistent in many sectors since pay has been determined in advance by negotiations between unions and employers' organisations. The upside of this system is that it is much harder to fire people than in the US, which grants more job security. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6277 Posts
On April 29 2015 04:04 oneofthem wrote: http://www.datapacrat.com/True/INTEL/CSIS/COM32E.HTM details the intimate interactino between airbus and dsge. http://articles.philly.com/1993-04-25/business/25981615_1_tilt-rotor-aircraft-french-firms-french-embassy-spokesman is the smoking gun public leak. french politician and intelligence offiicals have also admitted to this. pierre marion was literally both director of the dsge and airbus. this is standard french state-mercantilism. Intimate interactions yes but no evidence that they actually got trained by the French government which is what you claimed. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On April 29 2015 05:02 WhiteDog wrote: mercantilism ? What the hell are you talking about. It's just standard economy, the french does it, but not more than the US. Please. mercantilism is pretty loosely meaning the state taking an active hand in securing strategic resources (including technology) for their economic players. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10842-007-0024-8 | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6277 Posts
Greece has to come up with about 4 billion euros ($4.5 billion) by the end of May for debt payments. Then there’s the 1.5 billion-euro monthly tab for salaries and pensions. As Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras’s government in Athens haggles over the details of its reforms and leans on its banks to keep buying Treasury bills, the question inevitably looms: what happens if the cash runs out? Not all creditors are created equal. For example, the International Monetary Fund is more equal than others, first in the repayment queue. Here are some of the questions you may have, starting right at the very beginning: Q: What is a default? A: Investopedia.com defines default as “the failure to promptly pay interest or principal when due. Default occurs when a debtor is unable to meet the legal obligation of debt repayment.” Q: How much debt does Greece have? A: The Greek government has about 313 billion euros of debt outstanding, most due after 2021. Add companies and banks and the total is closer to half a trillion. Given that Greek banks are likely to refinance most of the maturing Treasury bills without protest -- with pension funds and local governments making up the shortfall -- the important near-term deadlines are May 6 and May 12, when the IMF is due to receive almost 1 billion euros in total. The real crunch comes midyear, when almost 7 billion euros of bonds held by the European Central Bank mature in July and August. source Q&A on Bloomberg about a Greek default. It answers questions about things like what happens to banks and capital controls. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On April 29 2015 05:04 oneofthem wrote: they are literally the french govt. isnt that better? mercantilism is pretty loosely meaning the state taking an active hand in securing strategic resources (including technology) for their economic players. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10842-007-0024-8 Yeah, my old economic foundation badly interpret the word. To me, mercantilism is mostly an old practice and theory that is aimed at the accumulation of monetary reserve through a positive balance of trade. On May 06 2015 04:08 Faust852 wrote: So France just became a police state heh? We have a retard at the head of our state, what do you think he would do ? | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On May 06 2015 04:15 WhiteDog wrote: We have a retard at the head of our state, what do you think he would do ? I thought he was against this law right ? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6277 Posts
(Reuters) - French lawmakers approved a bill on Tuesday to let intelligence services deploy fly-on-the-wall spying devices more easily against suspected terrorists after Islamist militant attacks killed 17 people in January. The bill, opposed by civil rights groups, some leftists and some members of President Francois Hollande's ruling Socialists, waives the need for judicial warrants to deploy phone taps, hidden microphones, cameras and other devices such as keypad communications readers. Despite vocal opposition from critics who fear it will lead to mass-scale surveillance, the bill was approved by the lower house of parliament by a wide margin, with 438 votes in favour and 86 against. Under the new law, instead of requiring a judge's approval, security officials can order surveillance after advice by a newly created supervisory body specifically dedicated to this. In exceptional cases, surveillance agencies will be able to use so-called "IMSI Catcher" spy devices that record all types of phone, internet or text messaging conversation in an area. Prime Minister Manuel Valls has defended the law as vital to counter-terrorism activities and denied it was a French variant of the U.S. Patriot Act passed in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. Nor was it similar, he said, to the widespread intelligence gathering exposed by former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, sparking an international outcry. "This bill, which provides a framework to the work of intelligence services, gives them more powers to be more efficient in the fight against terrorism and serious crime," he told reporters. One of the leading worries for critics is a clause requiring web providers to automatically track suspicious behaviour, relying on metadata rather than the content of communications. Government agencies could then demand access to personal web information in cases of particular suspicion. "Some of us are really worried about a piece of legislation that is unbalanced, gives too much power to the executive branch ... and has the potential to organise a mass espionage of the entire population through modern means," conservative UMP lawmaker Pierre Lellouche told reporters. Most Socialist and opposition conservative lawmakers voted in favour of the text, while the Greens party voted against and centre-right UDI lawmakers were split. The upper house of parliament will vote on the bill in June. source For the people who don't know what you're talking about  Looks like you're right Nyxisto. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
Jeronim Capaldo is argueing that TTIP would actually contradict the main goal of the Eu, namely european integration, because increasing exports/imports with the US would decrease trade between the Eu countries. He calls it "european disintegration".(here's the paper about it and other links: http://ase.tufts.edu/gdae/policy_research/ttip_simulations.html ) Moreover the studies mostly cited to argue in favor of TTIP only show a GDP increase in the Eu of 0,5% within 15 years and are all based on the same economic model, which he claims to be wrongly applied, since it doesn't consider the detrimental effects of unemployment and increasing inequality. Also, he projects that GDP would actually go down in the Eu and unemployment would increase in his own study using a different economic model. edit: bad link, nobody interested in this topic any more? | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8085 Posts
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/the-mis-selling-of-tpp/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Body | ||
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