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On December 03 2017 13:58 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2017 13:26 Paljas wrote:On December 03 2017 07:45 Nyxisto wrote:"reserved status quo" seems to be the popular mood at the moment, those tribes seem plausible. Hopefully the econ recovery strengthens the will for deeper reform a little. It would also help if we had a government obviously On December 03 2017 04:15 TheDwf wrote:
Go Austerity Rebels! I hope the irony that this again mirrors the sentiment of the right-wing 'eu-rejecters' is at least noticed. It's either the EU or barbarism, stop strengthening your worst political enemy. ye, cause the effects austerity arent barbaric at all "xyz or barbarism" is rich coming from an agenda 2010 social democrat like you the effects of austerity, which are bad in many cases are nothing to the full blown resurgence of nationalism or even golden dawn like fascism. Austerity has in cases like Greece caused considerable decline in living standards and despair, that's true. But it's nothing like a return to pre-democratic illiberal governments that many countries of Europe did experience well into the 70s. If the left wants to play "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" go ahead, but it's not going to end well.
The Tory government's austerity in the UK has led to the UN criticizing it for a wealth of 'grave' violations of disabled people's rights.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37899305
Austerity can be really, really bad.
Its just not bad for the people who control the news media or make the decisions.
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On December 03 2017 20:44 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2017 13:58 Nyxisto wrote:On December 03 2017 13:26 Paljas wrote:On December 03 2017 07:45 Nyxisto wrote:"reserved status quo" seems to be the popular mood at the moment, those tribes seem plausible. Hopefully the econ recovery strengthens the will for deeper reform a little. It would also help if we had a government obviously On December 03 2017 04:15 TheDwf wrote:
Go Austerity Rebels! I hope the irony that this again mirrors the sentiment of the right-wing 'eu-rejecters' is at least noticed. It's either the EU or barbarism, stop strengthening your worst political enemy. ye, cause the effects austerity arent barbaric at all "xyz or barbarism" is rich coming from an agenda 2010 social democrat like you the effects of austerity, which are bad in many cases are nothing to the full blown resurgence of nationalism or even golden dawn like fascism. Austerity has in cases like Greece caused considerable decline in living standards and despair, that's true. But it's nothing like a return to pre-democratic illiberal governments that many countries of Europe did experience well into the 70s. If the left wants to play "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" go ahead, but it's not going to end well. The Tory government's austerity in the UK has led to the UN criticizing it for a wealth of 'grave' violations of disabled people's rights. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37899305Austerity can be really, really bad. Its just not bad for the people who control the news media or make the decisions.
It's going to be bad for them. The question is just which side you are going to be taking. The one that keeps holding on power and keeps on saying that everything is fine against the experience of the vast majority and is dragging them down, or the ones that are going to punish those eventually violently, because there is not going to be any other option once conservative/neoliberal fascists have cluttered the legal systems with capital protection rights that are impractical to change lawfully in a period of just a few years, even when you have a democratic majority.
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Georgian ex-president Mikheil Saakashvili freed after dramatic rooftop arrest in Ukraine
Former Georgia president Mikheil Saakashvili has been freed by protesters after a dramatic arrest on the rooftop of his Kiev flat amid a feud with Ukraine's president.
The authorities had seized the firebrand politician, who served as governor of Ukraine's Odessa region between 2015-16, on accusations of trying to overthrow the government of his former ally Petro Poroshenko. But the botched arrest only galvanised support for Mr Saakashvili and led to ongoing demonstrations in the capital.
Mr Saakashvili had climbed onto the roof of his eight-storey building in downtown Kiev and reportedly threatened to jump when heavily armed security forces stormed his flat on Tuesday morning.
“Poroshenko is a thief! Poroshenko is a traitor to Ukraine!” he yelled to supporters below before the troopers seized him and put him in a van.
But protesters blocked the vehicle with other cars and makeshift barricades as the police attempted to quell the unrest with tear gas.
After an hours-long impasse, the crowd broke open a door and freed Mr Saakashvili. With handcuffs still hanging off one wrist, he called a protest on the central square where demonstrations brought a pro-Western government to power in 2014.
“I call on everyone to go to Maidan right now, to call all Ukraine to join in the idea and start the peaceful process of removing Poroshenko and his whole gang!” he said.
He led hundreds onto Maidan but then continued on to the parliament building, where he addressed the crowd with a Ukrainian flag tied around his neck.
Meanwhile, prosecutor general Yury Lutsenko told journalists that the security services had foiled “Moscow's plan for a Russian winter in Kiev” and accused Mr Saakashvili of working with a “criminal gang” led by former president Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia amid the 2014 protests. Russia then annexed Crimea and backed a simmering conflict with separatists in eastern Ukraine.
Mr Lutsenko said Mr Saakashvili had received $500,000 from the Yanukovych gang and played what he said was a recording of him agreeing to send a representative to Yanukovych associate Sergei Kurchenko. The prosecutor promised further arrests of prominent politicians.
The security service said Mr Saakashivili would face charges of aiding a criminal organisation, but he denied the allegations and told RFERL he had never spoken with Kurchenko.
Since he forced his way across the Polish-Ukrainian border with supporters in September, the Georgian politician has been holding protests calling for the impeachment of his old university acquaintance Mr Poroshenko, most recently marching through the capital on Sunday.
Mr Saakashvili came to power in Georgia in the 2003 Rose Revolution, promising pro-Western reforms, but lost territory in a disastrous war with Russia in 2008.
He was charged with abuse of office after he left in 2013. He was tapped to head the region of Odessa in 2015, but had a falling out with Mr Poroshenko over the torpid tempo of reforms and accused the president of corruption.
Having stripped him of the citizenship he was previously granted, the Ukrainian authorities denied his application for asylum this autumn and said he is in the country illegally.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/05/georgian-ex-president-saakashvili-arrested-ukraine-amid-protests/
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“I want a new constitutional treaty to establish the United States of Europe. A Europe that is no threat to its member states, but a beneficial addition,” he said.
“A convention shall draft this treaty in close cooperation with the civil society and the people. Its results will then be submitted to all member states. Any state that won’t ratify this treaty will automatically leave the EU.”
An excellent idea!
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Super idea, Brexit will be a small issue then. You'll have several countries which will leave.
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That's the plan. Isn't it brilliant?
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He's a total europhile. The only thing surprising about this is that he has the balls to push it with a deadline.
and he's not ruling, so its just riling up his troops
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He's not stupid, he knows it's not a realistic deadline but said it to let his "tribe" hear what it wants to hear. It's like a federalist equivalent of "build the wall".
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On December 08 2017 05:02 sc-darkness wrote:
Super idea, Brexit will be a small issue then. You'll have several countries which will leave.
It's about time that eurofederalists go out of the wood and play openly their cards. If they want to found the United States of Europe, then yes, ask the people. After the inevitable victory of the "no" pretty much everywhere, we'll get to think about something less coercitive and more sensible than the current EU.
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I think it's a good way to distinguish the SPD from the CDU because domestically there's not much room after Merkel's Borg like embrace of well.. everything.
On this issue Conservatives and the centre/left clearly have different opinions. I also don't think it's completely outlandish over the next one or two decades. The current form of the EU is unsatisfactory for everybody, I think we'll see a radical change in any possible direction
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Hint: when your sources are as shady as that one, try to find some other sources...
And no, at no point did the BGH judge that there is no measles virus.
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Hey, look who’s back! With new sources showing basic biology is fake!
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On December 08 2017 06:26 Nyxisto wrote:
I think it's a good way to distinguish the SPD from the CDU because domestically there's not much room after Merkel's Borg like embrace of well.. everything.
On this issue Conservatives and the centre/left clearly have different opinions. I also don't think it's completely outlandish over the next one or two decades. The current form of the EU is unsatisfactory for everybody, I think we'll see a radical change in any possible direction
If Europe becomes United States of Europe in the next 10-20 years, you could expect a lot of conflicts. A lot. Realistically, this process will take a lot of decades to happen, and I'm not sure it's a good idea at the moment. Eastern and Western Europe have a lot of common principles but there are many things that divide us. Also, the beauty of Europe is different cultures. Why become one boring entity?
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On December 08 2017 07:20 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2017 06:26 Nyxisto wrote:
I think it's a good way to distinguish the SPD from the CDU because domestically there's not much room after Merkel's Borg like embrace of well.. everything.
On this issue Conservatives and the centre/left clearly have different opinions. I also don't think it's completely outlandish over the next one or two decades. The current form of the EU is unsatisfactory for everybody, I think we'll see a radical change in any possible direction If Europe becomes United States of Europe in the next 10-20 years, you could expect a lot of conflicts. A lot. Realistically, this process will take a lot of decades to happen, and I'm not sure it's a good idea at the moment. Eastern and Western Europe have a lot of common principles but there are many things that divide us. Also, the beauty of Europe is different cultures. Why become one boring entity?
I wasn't aware Schulz was calling for cultural assimilation.
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On December 08 2017 07:20 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2017 06:26 Nyxisto wrote:
I think it's a good way to distinguish the SPD from the CDU because domestically there's not much room after Merkel's Borg like embrace of well.. everything.
On this issue Conservatives and the centre/left clearly have different opinions. I also don't think it's completely outlandish over the next one or two decades. The current form of the EU is unsatisfactory for everybody, I think we'll see a radical change in any possible direction If Europe becomes United States of Europe in the next 10-20 years, you could expect a lot of conflicts. A lot. Realistically, this process will take a lot of decades to happen, and I'm not sure it's a good idea at the moment. Eastern and Western Europe have a lot of common principles but there are many things that divide us. Also, the beauty of Europe is different cultures. Why become one boring entity?
And why would those cultures not continue to exist in a federation?
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How can i know that source is shady? And who decides what source is shady?
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On December 08 2017 07:30 Foxxan wrote:
How can i know that source is shady? And who decides what source is shady?
In this case, the BGH judgement is public. It ain't hard to find some news sites, even in english, who explain what was actually judged there.
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