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Sadist
United States7225 Posts
On December 06 2006 20:45 lykk wrote: so Sadist am i sensing you've given up on the "bronze sword is totally better than knife" argument  a butterfly knife isnt better than a bat if it was 2 people who werent skilled fighters But ya a sword is better than a bat obviously you dipshit | ||
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lykk
China38 Posts
knife ftfw!! | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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Sadist
United States7225 Posts
Again this is you vs yoruself and id beat myselfs ass with a baseball bat because I used to play baseball and have great hand eye coordination. if the bat was on the offensive first then it can be an arguement, but if the bat is defensive its over. People get knocked out by fists, imagine what a 4lb piece of wood will do. | ||
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Sadist
United States7225 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:17 lykk wrote: it's useless trying to argue the bat is just as deadly as the knife, the whole point of the argument is range vs damage, what's the point if you say the bat can dish out as much dmg as the knive with ease and it's longer. yeah bat might have POTENTIAL to dish out the same or even more dmg, but it require much more skill and effort and luck, in a fight to the death, you'll not be hitting a stationary object, and you can't time everything correctly, have you ever been in a fist fight against someone of your own level? heck it's not even easy to land a solid punch, most fights end up to a grappling affair and that's were the knife owns. knife ftfw!! the whole punching arguement has to do with reach and such, a bat gives you HUGE reach over someone, and youd be able to hit someone hard enough quiet easily to knock them off balance, the only chance they would have is to somehow block your arm before you get the bat going but that shit isnt happening. | ||
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lykk
China38 Posts
knife ftfw!! | ||
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
I think the main point here is not if a clean blow to the head by a bat hurts. It obviously will be a knockout. But rather how difficult would it be to land a clean blow. If it was me vs. myself, I think I'd have a hard time landing a clean knockout hit with the bat without leaving myself completely exposed in case I miss. There is just too high a probability that the blow is a glancing blow that will surely hurt but won't be the knockout that the batman will need. Now, I was very immobile, then I'd go for the bat, because I'd have a harder time dodging the bat's range. But I consider myself an average guy and me vs myself,, I'd pick the knife. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:20 Sadist wrote: the whole punching arguement has to do with reach and such, a bat gives you HUGE reach over someone, and youd be able to hit someone hard enough quiet easily to knock them off balance, the only chance they would have is to somehow block your arm before you get the bat going but that shit isnt happening. Actually, all you have to do is grab the hand that's holding the bat. That would be an instinctive reaction too. And if the person holding the bat tries to minimize the swing to prevent that from happening, the swing lacks power. The problem with the bat lies in it's dependence on requiring lots of time to strike. There's too much action required. It really comes down to whether or not the two people were trained for combat. | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
you control the fight's initiative if your opponent has no attack. zugzwang! people's arguments are becoming too self reliant. We can't argue about someone else's mind. When a christian claims to have heard god speaking to him there is nothing you can say to refute him but 'you're insane.' This is what its become. Now, I say we consider this. if we were to boil this argument down to the most possible man, I believe any person who operates through logic, and not insanity, most conceed the bat is superior. The average person is strong enough to swing a bat, quick enough to wield a knife. But, the bat's superior range causes the pernicious threat of the knife to be irrelevant. the counter argument to this is 'the bat doesn't stop the knife wielders attack.' so terribly false. thought and reality says that our man will atleast fall down. Now, what I've said in a few lines: We can't argue when someone claims they've heard god or would kick their own ass with a knife. Inorder for this to be a debate it has to be an external example that can be reasoned with. Therefore I proposed the most average man. In this situation I feel the bat is superior. Simply through ease of use and initiative. edit: I just want to add that i hate lykk without creating a new post. its not because he chooses the knife's side either. edit: I hate this thread so much yet I can't leave it alone. Gargh. | ||
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lykk
China38 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:16 Sadist wrote: a butterfly knife isnt better than a bat if it was 2 people who werent skilled fighters But ya a sword is better than a bat obviously you dipshit oh i see there "swords" are much better than the knife, in fact they are so much better they can cut off your super strong penis where the knife can't ![[image loading]](http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8495/bronzeswordsrl3.jpg) .... Again this is you vs yoruself and id beat myselfs ass with a baseball bat because I used to play baseball and have great hand eye coordination... we are not talking about you and your great hand eye coordination  we are talking about some one with average coordination | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
anyways, I'm off to sleep. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
Edit: well if two people had training in weapons combat they are no longer the average person, now are they? | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
A better question... I understand the spurt of posts when this thread was first conceived.. But after serious consideration, who is really able to debate this topic? There isn't even enough information to answer the question. Here's a BW analogy to instantly fall in love with: "Are DT-rushes instant win PvT if both players are equal skill?" - let's assume both players are 1-month-been-playing noobs. A DT-rush is just a BO, it's quite easy to execute, whereas defending against a DT-rush (micro, turret placement, scan timing) is arguably harder. The ease of DT-rush execution tips favor to the P player, even at equal skills. - now let's assume both players are face-stomping Korean gosu. A DT-rush can be easily out-micro'd, tipping the favor to the T player. So this means you have to consider "how much skill does effective bat-weilding require", "ditto for butterfly knife", "what is the skill level of the combatants (high or low)." This stratifies the results: eg, both combatants have poor aim; bat wins. eg2, both combatants know how to throw butterfly effectively, and do so regularly and are considered professional butterfly-knife-throwers; knife wins. | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:35 infinity21 wrote: Wysp. If you had some training in weapons combat, you would know that a knife is superior to a bat. And the original question did not ask for the average man, just two men of equal skill level. To which I responded that it depends on their skill level. The knife will win out of the better trained two and the bat will win out of the lesser trained two. anyways, I'm off to sleep. HENCE THE ARGUMENT CANNOT BE RESOLVED. It requires a change in resolution! btw I'd be glad to fight you. Just let me find my bat... edit: this is my last post here. I can no longer bear the medium this argument is in. aching with empty srength and throttled rage | ||
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lykk
China38 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:37 We Are Here wrote: oh but swords "are" much better than knives because of their range... i'm talking about these "swords", they are bronze age swords and not much longer than the knife, these "swords" donimated clubs during the the trasition from stone age to bronze age. | ||
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lykk
China38 Posts
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
Doing a jumpmotion to one of the sides following the motion of the stab might get you enough time to avoid the first stad perhaps, i dont know...but you still wont have time or balance for another swing anyways and he'll just keep comming..broken arm or not ;p But yea i guess the question is if the batguy will be able to get in more than 1 swing or not, if he is unable to dodge after a powerful hit then he will be dead...because i doubt you'll ever be able to hit the head with the bat, not only to mention how easy it is to dodge a batswing towards the head. Also as the bat guy you would probably want to hit from maxrange, hence you will most probably swing when you think you will hit from maxrange or else your swing will come too late if he chooses to randomly charge you then or? and dodging a batswing from max range if you lure your opponent to swing cant be that hard, hence the next batswing will become less powerful and even then you can lure your opponent to do a 2nd swing to make him loose even more balance etc :< i think you get my point. Donno is it possible for the batguy to aim for the legs? haha :p That would definatly make the knifeguy not able to stab, but i guess it would be too hard to do that :< But basically just imagining in my head a guy going full speed towards me with a knife and i basically have 1 swing to make him unstable enough for me to be able to manouver myself out of range of his 1st 2nd and 3rd stab attempt seems very hard to me | ||
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
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RyanTuosto
United States17 Posts
anybody think of throwing the bat? that shit would hurt :-P | ||
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