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MrEd
Profile Joined March 2003
Australia357 Posts
December 06 2006 11:24 GMT
#361
Bat for sure, stabbing someone in a fight doesn't really stop them, might slow em down but with all the adrenaline, doesn't really come to affect them until after (unless you stab the in the eye or something...) but a bat, it will knock the shit out of you and break you bones no matter how pumped you are.
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Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
December 06 2006 11:33 GMT
#362
This argument is highly flawed.

-Major league players put their entire bodies into swing. Pick up a fucking bat and play with it and say you couldn't compromise a person your same size who is trying to get close enough to deliver a debilitating stab.

-How the hell does he get so close? Swing and move, its easy. Doesn't require super knife sliding upslashing bruce lee shit.

-Consider how getting hit with a 10lb medicine ball sets off your balance. Now consider the leverage you get from this bat combined with snappy swing.

-Why does it matter how many times you can swing compared to a stab? This point is moot.



REMEMBER WHAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE FIRST POST, ASSUME YOUR OPPONENT IS YOURSELF.



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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
December 06 2006 11:36 GMT
#363
Yea I don't get this "Dodge the bat swing and then rush with the knife" mentality. I think "Block the bat" is equally wrong. Getting hit anywhere with a bat is going to fuck you up. Basically, as I said 15 pages ago, bat guy would win most likely without taking a hit.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7225 Posts
December 06 2006 11:40 GMT
#364
On December 06 2006 20:23 ToT)Testie( wrote:
Jackie chan would win with just a scarf, after all.

You can't take someone down with one swing with a bat unless it connects to their head. It's blunt. You can shatter a bone. But where are you planning on hitting them? It's life or death situation, no ones just gonna curl up because extreme pain wacked them somewhere on the body. Guys in the major leagues have recovery time after they've swung a bat, after all. And their forearms are like tree trunks and they're built to run the second they swing. But you still see them follow through. And it's not about having strength to stop the weight of the bat. It's about having strength to stop the momentum, efficiently and in time.

And once a guy is between your arms, the hell are you going to do with a bat? Hit him on the back of the head at an awkward angle with 1 arm?

The guy with the knife would leave injured, but once you're stabbed twice or more you're very likely going to be a lot worse off from a guy who can then bide his time and retreat until your wounds are too much. Any guy with a knife can be quick and agile. Even a straight and quick lunge with the body is easier & faster to bounce back than with the momentum of swinging a heavy object.

And regardless of how strong you are, do you think you can swing a bat twice by the time someone stabs 3 times?

Kick? As Richard Pryor said, people in life stab awkwardly. You'd probably get your leg cut as he avoids a clumsy kick because you just swung a fucking bat and are already off balance.

Edit: Those that say bat are bad strategically at bw. I'm calling it.




Ok since obviously we cant have medical attention you will die from a broken arm too i guess

and if you really think you wont fall over from getting hit in your arm you are retarded. I bet if it was a hockey stick you would say its better than a knife
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
December 06 2006 11:43 GMT
#365
If I assume my opponent is myself, then the knife would win because I'm a martial artist. I'm quick, agile, and have fast reflexes (on top of above-average strength). If you had some training in fighting, you would pick knife. I can simulate the scenario in my head, and the knife wins. Do you know how strong attacks are in Tae Kwon Do? My punches can break 3 one inch boards and my side kick can break 4 one inch boards. And martial artists block that or take the hit without suffering too much damage.
So my answer? Depends on the person.
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Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-06 11:47:23
December 06 2006 11:44 GMT
#366
Okay, here is a summary, starting with things that seem to be agreed on by all participants.

Side Knife:

-The knife can deliver a fatal stab to the chest/gut or slash a throat.

-The knife is lighter and faster.

Side Bat:

-The bat has superior range, allowing you to pre-empt the knife user.


Now, the arguments that seem to be disputed.

Side Knife:

-Bat blows are not fatal, if parried or 'toughed out' you can deliver a fatal attack during bat recoil.

-The knife user can easily approach the bat wielder for he will be rendered clumbsy by the bat.

Side Bat:

-Bats are easy to swing and move with.

-A bat blow is sufficient to cause a person to lose balance.


I'm trying to be as unbiased a possibly, but the knife's theory seems dubious at best.
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lykk
Profile Joined December 2006
China38 Posts
December 06 2006 11:45 GMT
#367
so Sadist am i sensing you've given up on the "bronze sword is totally better than knife" argument
NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
December 06 2006 11:45 GMT
#368
On December 06 2006 20:23 ToT)Testie( wrote:
Edit: Those that say bat are bad strategically at bw. I'm calling it.
Those who are strategically good at starcraft have no athleticism. Someone find that clip of boxer throwing a baseball pitch.
I went to the chippy last night and only orderd chips because I knew I could get fish from her bushy plate.
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
December 06 2006 11:49 GMT
#369
On November 26 2006 09:39 exalted wrote:
I saw this posted on another forum, started discussing with friends, and wanted to post it here to see TL's thoughts:

The conditions are as follows:

-Both fighters have the same body type, same skill set, nobody has a clear advantage over the other.
-You cannot use any outside weapons, bite, or do anything other than use the weapons you have.
-You can use the weapons in any way you'd like.
-It is a fight to the death.

Now which weapon would you take: A single butterfly knife
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or a standard Louisville slugger.
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Each weapon is to be used against the other weapon.

Please explain your answers.

edit: I don't know how to make a poll


Butterfly knife FTW.

The bat will NOT kill anybody quickly enough. The knife, on the other hand, will dominate. If you get at least a couple of swipes in, the guy bleeds, gets weak, and you stab him at a weak point.

GG -_-;;;
^-^
ToT)Testie(
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada723 Posts
December 06 2006 11:52 GMT
#370
There's only one way to settle this.
We have to find two crazies who are roughly the same size to settle it.

We should get the guys from jackass to figure this out. That or we should sign a bill that really, really crazy people are allowed to be used as test subjects for extremely important arguments such as this on television. Nation asks:
"What vs what" then they have to have a poll to see if people agree 50/50.

It's got a George Carlin-esque feel to it. Yeah, we should prisoners too.
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-06 11:53:30
December 06 2006 11:53 GMT
#371
thanks for not reading anything but the first post. You make me want to smash my skull into my monitor. atleast comment on some of the content currently on the table goshdarnit.

edit:not you testie, the guy above you.
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
December 06 2006 11:55 GMT
#372
On December 06 2006 20:45 NewbSaibot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2006 20:23 ToT)Testie( wrote:
Edit: Those that say bat are bad strategically at bw. I'm calling it.
Those who are strategically good at starcraft have no athleticism. Someone find that clip of boxer throwing a baseball pitch.

Athleticism has little to do with pitching skills. Pitching skills is mostly proper form and practice. Clearly, Boxer has never played much baseball in his life due to soccer and SC.
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ToT)Testie(
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada723 Posts
December 06 2006 11:57 GMT
#373
btw aluminum bat doesn't count Wysp ;p. If you started using an aluminum bat, we get a longer knife.

Like a chef's knife.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
December 06 2006 11:57 GMT
#374
On December 06 2006 20:52 ToT)Testie( wrote:
There's only one way to settle this.
We have to find two crazies who are roughly the same size to settle it.

We should get the guys from jackass to figure this out. That or we should sign a bill that really, really crazy people are allowed to be used as test subjects for extremely important arguments such as this on television. Nation asks:
"What vs what" then they have to have a poll to see if people agree 50/50.

It's got a George Carlin-esque feel to it. Yeah, we should prisoners too.

That's an awesome idea~ Who knows where we can get two test subjects? It's a scientific experiment after all. I'm sure lots of people would gladly do this.
Official Entusman #21
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
December 06 2006 12:00 GMT
#375
On December 06 2006 20:57 ToT)Testie( wrote:
btw aluminum bat doesn't count Wysp ;p. If you started using an aluminum bat, we get a longer knife.

Like a chef's knife.


i'm just trying to get something to click. wood hurts. a lot.
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ToT)Testie(
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada723 Posts
December 06 2006 12:02 GMT
#376
On December 06 2006 21:00 Wysp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2006 20:57 ToT)Testie( wrote:
btw aluminum bat doesn't count Wysp ;p. If you started using an aluminum bat, we get a longer knife.

Like a chef's knife.


i'm just trying to get something to click. wood hurts. a lot.


Ok, well if I had a bat. And I had a knife. I'd kick my bat weilding selfs ass.

If Sammy Sosa had a bat, and Sammy Sosa had a knife... that might be more interesting.
I think the average joe, and still even most athletes would rather have a knife. ;p
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
December 06 2006 12:06 GMT
#377
People, if you had some sort of martial arts / combat training, you'd easily block/parry the bat's attacks. To a trained eye, the bat is SLOW.
But if it was two really fat people fighting, then I'd pick the bat too. That would be disgusting, actually...
Official Entusman #21
ToT)Testie(
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada723 Posts
December 06 2006 12:07 GMT
#378
That's why Americans love the bat.
They're sit sat so fat cat in the hat I just x17'd this thread.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-06 12:13:29
December 06 2006 12:13 GMT
#379
On December 06 2006 21:07 ToT)Testie( wrote:
That's why Americans love the bat.
They're sit sat so fat cat in the hat I just x17'd this thread.

rofl basically
bat:
  • fat, untrained people
  • slow people

knife:
  • trained people
  • agile people
Official Entusman #21
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
December 06 2006 12:15 GMT
#380
"to see what is in front one's nose needs constant struggle."

"all our reasoning ends in surrender to feeling."


i hate this thread, I hope it dies.


if only I could speak to you if only I could speak to you.
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