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exalted
United States3612 Posts
On December 06 2006 09:09 ToT)Testie( wrote: pro knife Don't take his post too seriously, Testie is pro-knife more because he would rather his opponent have the bat. This is because he is not worried about bat swings to the head, since his hair provides +3 infantry armor against head-related attacks... | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On December 06 2006 09:09 ToT)Testie( wrote: Those who choose the knife think to dance around their opponent and take shots when necessary. Real fights may not work like that? They can, even for regular people. They are correct. You know who uses bats as a weapon other than poor people? Dumb people from the ghetto. If they all carried knives they'd be much more dangerous. The knife would win. You would simply have to temper how you move and not be a dumbass while you fight. If he makes a strike the odds of you being able to dodge are much higher than if you make a strike. You could throw your whole body into a quick lunge if one of his strikes miss, and bounce back rather easily. He cannot do the same unless he is using it to jab. Because he's weilding a cumbersome weapon. A man cannot charge you after a mistake in a fight with a bat. Go to your garage, pick up your bat and think of how you would fight with it. With a bat you're much slower unless you're a major leaguer. Which we aren't. I'd choose the knife. The bat could be used well, but the knife can go for the kill within 1 good shot, or 2-3 good ones. Despite the distance advantage, when you rush someone with a knife you can get in there within the bats range if he ever goes for a power swing, taking the brunt of it on your back while you are already in short range and can inflict multiple stab wounds, fast. You could either keep the close range distance, or retreat and wait until he bleeds to death. If someone wacks you hard with a bat, unless it is in the temple, you're probably not going down. Uh bats arent that heavy its not like you cant stop the momentum at all, I dont know how strong some of you are but i dont consider myself very strong but id murder someoen with a baseball bat with ease. And fi you get hit with a bat you are going to be on the floor unconcious if its anywhere in your head, not just your temple. And if you get hit with a bat ANd stab someone, you sure as fuck wont be running away, youll be dead before they are =[. No one in their right mind would rob someone with a knife if they have their bat already out in their hands | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
But as some said before, you can pretty much see how the guy will swing his bat on you...and if he just randomly swings all the time to change which side he starts swinging from then he will just tire himself out eventually and make him slower id guess. (its not REALLY hard to dodge someone swinging a bat even if he is going pretty offensive towards you) If he is standing ready to swing and waiting for you to make a move you can possibly just put your knife in the hand which he isnt going to swing on and try to "rush" ( :D ) him and take 1 hit (my guess is you will always take 1 hit ... maybe hard maybe not very hard from the bat onless you make a perfect dodge when he does a big swing in which the bat guy is dead anyways) but then try to go in for a vital stab, because my guess is that if you invest all your power in the swing to try to disable your opponent with a as hard as possible swing then you possibly wont be able to dodge his stab attempt when he gets close ;O So basically if it was a life and death fight and i have the knife i will try to make him think im a leftie and try to jump around him alittle and when he least expect it change hands with the knife and rush him and pull my left hand up to protect my head aaaand try to stab him in the stommac i guess. If i was the batguy and it was life and death id try to make sure nomatter if i miss or not with my batswing ill not let him get in range to get a full bodypower stab on me, if he goes very offensive with the knife ill maybe try running alittle and if he goes offguard turn around and smack him in the rib/belly area (aiming higher would make dodging too easy i guess) on his knifeside I think basically if it was a real life and death situation you would never go down unless you prettymuch faint from a batswing and yes breaking your arm would probably make you more than distracted but adrenaline pumping would possibly save your life then ;o but yea i dont really know how much agility you can actually have with a bat, but ye i do get the feeling that if a knife guy rushes you for real and you choose to swing at him and lets say you break his arm then you pretty much have to ditch the bat cause i seriously doubt you can use it again in that closecombat in which it will be broken arm + knife against 2 arms ;p and if he misses his stab in any way i doubt he can recover in any way cause 2 hands can pretty easily disarm a knifeguy with just holding and using your strength | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On December 06 2006 07:09 lykk wrote: ok knife vs bat... there's no need to imagine what happens in this mu, it has happend countless number of times throughout history. in the STONEAGE ppl used wooden clubs (sometimes with a stone head attached making it a mace) as the main weapon, but when the art of bronze making was discovered, ppl were able to make short bronze swords of approx 1 feet long. all over the world, new armies equipped with the swords dominated armies with the old weapons, and won battle after battle. soon enough every army used swords, and human kind entered the BRONZEAGE. (note: although called swords, these early bronze weapons were really just long knives, also bronze is quite soft and bends easily, it's far inferior than morden iron/steel/alloy knives.) so there... no more arguing pls, bat is a much less effective weapon. hitting an moving opponent critically is similar to hitting a sweet shot, imagine your first time playing baseball, was it easy even to hit the ball? and you only get one chance, if you miss it's gg. too many ppl here are influenced by american culture, iconizing the bat as a badass weapon, no one i know in china would choose the bat thats the dumbest arguement ever, of course a fucking sword is better than a club lol, its basically just a sharp club. A LITTLE ASS KNIFE vs a Bat though youd be retarded to try to fight. Lol no one in china would choose a baseball bat? Are you retarded? I guarantee you no average punk is robbing me if its just him with a knife and me with my bat already out. Hed die and id get arrested on murder charges. And contrary to popular belief, not many people even like baseball in america anymore so this has absolutely nothing to do with that, it has to do with common sense. No one in their right mind tries to attack someone who has a baseball bat unless they are some 10 lb skinny geek who cant swing at all. Id take Putter or My wedge vs a knife too, yodu be fucking dead if you got hit with that moreso than a bat  | ||
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Dexxus
United States329 Posts
On December 06 2006 09:07 AmirOssanloo wrote: Wow you sure think people stab in slowmotion? With the speed that the bats comes towards you, there is no way you would grab it (especially (as i say please try to think abit) you hold the knife in your MAIN HAND...right)? Most likely you will either try to parray with your main hand, or if you had some training you would use your secondary hand to AVOID it, but no...not grab it.. Even if you grab a bat with one hand I can with my both hand and the power from my bat make you out of balance and force you to let go, or i could just while you hold it take my left hand... put it at the bottom of the bat, with my right hands force swing it towards your face...now this does not even take a split second, and since you are consentrated on the bat during this time, dont tell my "I WOULD STABB YOU"!!! also, if you grabb my bat, i could just make a kick towards your groin  or a puschkick in the stomach....If you were to put any amount of power into a swing a smart knife fighter would be able to catch you on the back swing by rushing in. By that time your bat would be near ready again, and the knife fighter would stop the swing by blocking your hands on the bat and stabbing you. Since your in mid swing it would be unlikely that you would be able to retaliate with a kick or punch. If you went for the fast attack approach it would be very possible for the knife guy to grab the bat (NOT remove the bat) and slow your response time enough to get in close and stab you if not land a kick on you. AAARGH this is difficult because both fighters are equal skill... Bat has range and power advantage, and is defensive in nature. Knife has speed and deadliness advantage, and is aggressive in nature. I have a hard time deciding even though I'm leaning towards knife. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On December 06 2006 08:40 AmirOssanloo wrote: Why do you think you all have to use a bat like how they use it in the sport? First of all you dont SWING with a bat in a fight, what are you stupid?!? You use it like a spear...Fast hits like a snake attack. You go for the throath, the nose, the knees. If you now decide to do something else then going for snake attacks. As far as thoes bats I held in my hands, you have a very good grip on the top of the bat, as well as the bottom of it. Just turn it around! Light side towards enemy = a fast weapon. 1, 2, 3 medium light hits, turn it around, and swing it...Geez, Now I practise and compete in martial arts, bat is the choise... The End~~ LOL @ Bat like a spear Bats are like 32+ inches long, a spear? Are you retarded? And yOU DO swing a bat, its like 3-4 lbs at most, its not like you cant stop your swing. Maybe if you havent played baseball you wouldnt choose the bat, but if you have played baseball at all or arent a 10lb skinny nerd youd choose a bat. And switching the bat between hands and trying tos wing one handed is dumb, Then you could die, you wouldnt hit someone even close to hard enough with one hand to bring them down, maybe if you used your dominant hand you could hit them sort of hard but theyd probably still be standing. Anyone who has a baseball bat try going outside and swinging it for a second with 2 hands vs 1 and then take a knife outside and try to wield it, youd get raped by a bat. and If say i do swing, and i hit you but its not a flush hit and you rush in, im going to kick the shit out of you with a big foot in yoru chest to get you away, it probably wont hurt you but you wont be getting in close on me | ||
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Sun
United States551 Posts
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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ToT)Testie(
Canada723 Posts
On December 06 2006 09:52 exalted wrote: Don't take his post too seriously, Testie is pro-knife more because he would rather his opponent have the bat. This is because he is not worried about bat swings to the head, since his hair provides +3 infantry armor against head-related attacks... lol art :D | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
You are facing eachother and i frankly dont see any way you would ever hit with the bat unless he goes in for an "attack" | ||
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NewbSaibot
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
On December 06 2006 10:26 NewbSaibot wrote: sweet, now we can argue about which is better, gun or knife. I cant wait to see the retards take that one up. na was just trying to say that in that episode i saw how fast you can actually rush towards someone to engage closecombat...;p I just remembered it now :< | ||
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iOi
Canada1255 Posts
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BalloonFight
United States2007 Posts
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
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alphablend
647 Posts
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
Lets put it this way, If the guy with the knife tries to attack me its over, if i try to attack him he could potentially do some harm, but if he lunges at me hes dead. | ||
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
IMO, the Knife wins. | ||
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lykk
China38 Posts
On December 06 2006 10:08 Sadist wrote: thats the dumbest arguement ever, of course a fucking sword is better than a club lol, its basically just a sharp club. A LITTLE ASS KNIFE vs a Bat though youd be retarded to try to fight. Lol no one in china would choose a baseball bat? Are you retarded? I guarantee you no average punk is robbing me if its just him with a knife and me with my bat already out. Hed die and id get arrested on murder charges. And contrary to popular belief, not many people even like baseball in america anymore so this has absolutely nothing to do with that, it has to do with common sense. No one in their right mind tries to attack someone who has a baseball bat unless they are some 10 lb skinny geek who cant swing at all. Id take Putter or My wedge vs a knife too, yodu be fucking dead if you got hit with that moreso than a bat lmao a bronze sword is a sharp club?? do you know why iron age comes after bronze age? because iron is a much better material than bronze. bronze swords are SHORT because any longer they'll bend and break, plus it's edge is not very sharp, it's not very easy to pierce hides with it, still the bronze sword wielding armies raped bigger club wielding ones ALL OVER THE WORLD. you are just imagining what would happen in the mu, it's all trash talk, the experiment has already been carried out. and yes, it was a fight to the death. | ||
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