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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
December 06 2006 10:03 GMT
#341
bat>gun
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Smurg
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3818 Posts
December 06 2006 10:04 GMT
#342
On December 06 2006 19:03 fusionsdf wrote:
bat>gun

Wow, after 18 pages it's finally been solved!

But what if the gun was > the bat? Shit..a new dilemma.
lykk
Profile Joined December 2006
China38 Posts
December 06 2006 10:15 GMT
#343
On December 06 2006 19:03 fusionsdf wrote:
bat>gun


haha that's right 1on1 bat>rine, we are talking about average micro, no sick boxer micro pls
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
December 06 2006 10:15 GMT
#344
if a swing of the bat is like a hook shot, then just weave around it :D
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-06 10:24:09
December 06 2006 10:22 GMT
#345
We'll if I had a clone, I'd hold the knife and my clone would hold the bat.
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok, it's a fight to the death. I (original) throw the knife directly in between my clone's eyes. However, being my clone, it throws the bat in the knife's path. The two collide mightily in mid-air and the bat splits in half. Both the knife and the bat fall to the ground. It is time for hand-to-hand combat! I close in, as does my clone. We stare each other in the eyes, as the sun sets. The moon rises. We are still staring at each other. Although there is no movement, we are battling in our minds, constantly trying to overpower each other. There is no physical opening. As the moon rises up above our heads, my clone strikes! I do a jumping reverse roundhouse kick to his face. Seeing this, my clone stops abruptly and does a back flip while rotating in mid-air and kicks at my face. But I am just as good. I block quickly with my left palm and then kick his right foot in mid air. My clone loses his balance momentarily. However, he manages to balance by doing a one-hand handstand. I sweep to take him down. My clone utilizes my sweeping leg's momentum to stand up-right again. The fight is dead even. We both launch an attack at the same time. Who's going to win?

+ Show Spoiler +
But seriously, I believe I (knife) would win because I have more maneuverability.
If the bat is swung too hard, the motion would be obvious and easy to dodge/block. However, if the bat is swung with as little motion as possible, then it wouldn't have enough strength to do sufficient damage. Since I am agile and have quick reflexes, a knife would suit me better.

On December 06 2006 19:15 lykk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2006 19:03 fusionsdf wrote:
bat>gun


haha that's right 1on1 bat>rine, we are talking about average micro, no sick boxer micro pls

Wait, what if both the bat and the rine had a DROPSHIP!?!
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-06 10:23:59
December 06 2006 10:23 GMT
#346
Official Entusman #21
Dexxus
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States329 Posts
December 06 2006 10:25 GMT
#347
Ok after being on the fence I have now been fully converted to bat after testing one in my garage... Anyone who knows what they're doing with a bat could dish out serious one sided ownage to a butterfly knife user.
I need a signature so I'm using this one.
NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
December 06 2006 10:33 GMT
#348
On December 06 2006 19:25 Dexxus wrote:
Ok after being on the fence I have now been fully converted to bat after testing one in my garage... Anyone who knows what they're doing with a bat could dish out serious one sided ownage to a butterfly knife user.
Yes, thats the problem. Everyone here saying knife, even the ones challenging us to pick up a bat and try it, havent even picked up a bat themselves. Theyre just assuming they know how weak it's going to be. My company has a softball team and I posed this question to a couple of them, having a bat readily available they each took hold of it and in about 2 seconds said "the bat, definitely the bat". I could go on and list all the examples they gave, ones much more realistic than here, about how the bat is superior, but it would fall on deaf ears because the anti-bat users have never even picked up a bat, and are so convinced they are right, they never will.
I went to the chippy last night and only orderd chips because I knew I could get fish from her bushy plate.
lykk
Profile Joined December 2006
China38 Posts
December 06 2006 10:33 GMT
#349
On December 06 2006 19:25 Dexxus wrote:
Ok after being on the fence I have now been fully converted to bat after testing one in my garage... Anyone who knows what they're doing with a bat could dish out serious one sided ownage to a butterfly knife user.


what did you hit in your garage? something moving? we are not talking about some zombie as your opponent. and yes bat is better vs zombie as proven in shaun of the dead and diablo2 (50% more damage)
lykk
Profile Joined December 2006
China38 Posts
December 06 2006 10:38 GMT
#350
let's put it this way, if i was unarmed i would not panic if i faced someone with a bat, but i'd lose my nerve if someone had a knife
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
December 06 2006 10:44 GMT
#351
On December 06 2006 18:51 lykk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2006 10:08 Sadist wrote:
On December 06 2006 07:09 lykk wrote:
ok knife vs bat...

there's no need to imagine what happens in this mu, it has happend countless number of times throughout history.

in the STONEAGE ppl used wooden clubs (sometimes with a stone head attached making it a mace) as the main weapon, but when the art of bronze making was discovered, ppl were able to make short bronze swords of approx 1 feet long. all over the world, new armies equipped with the swords dominated armies with the old weapons, and won battle after battle. soon enough every army used swords, and human kind entered the BRONZEAGE.

(note: although called swords, these early bronze weapons were really just long knives, also bronze is quite soft and bends easily, it's far inferior than morden iron/steel/alloy knives.)

so there... no more arguing pls, bat is a much less effective weapon. hitting an moving opponent critically is similar to hitting a sweet shot, imagine your first time playing baseball, was it easy even to hit the ball? and you only get one chance, if you miss it's gg. too many ppl here are influenced by american culture, iconizing the bat as a badass weapon, no one i know in china would choose the bat


thats the dumbest arguement ever, of course a fucking sword is better than a club lol, its basically just a sharp club.

A LITTLE ASS KNIFE vs a Bat though youd be retarded to try to fight. Lol no one in china would choose a baseball bat? Are you retarded? I guarantee you no average punk is robbing me if its just him with a knife and me with my bat already out. Hed die and id get arrested on murder
charges. And contrary to popular belief, not many people even like baseball in america anymore so this has absolutely nothing to do with that, it has to do with common sense. No one in their right mind tries to attack someone who has a baseball bat unless they are some 10 lb skinny geek who cant swing at all. Id take Putter or My wedge vs a knife too, yodu be fucking dead if you got hit with that moreso than a bat


lmao a bronze sword is a sharp club?? do you know why iron age comes after bronze age? because iron is a much better material than bronze. bronze swords are SHORT because any longer they'll bend and break, plus it's edge is not very sharp, it's not very easy to pierce hides with it, still the bronze sword wielding armies raped bigger club wielding ones ALL OVER THE WORLD. you are just imagining what would happen in the mu, it's all trash talk, the experiment has already been carried out. and yes, it was a fight to the death.


you are a fucking moron if you think that some bronze age swords apply to a butterfly knife vs a baseball bat at all.

First of all i dont know how their clubs were but a bat ahs a smaller handle and is top heavy so you get more force when you swing it.

Either you A)are an amazing knife user
B) are collosus
or C) A little skinny nerd with no coordination at all, because if you have ever played baseball and didnts wing like a girl youd be able to kill someoen with a baseball bat
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
December 06 2006 10:44 GMT
#352
seriously tho the reach of the bat is too much of an advantage and if they can close the gap you can kick them
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
_PulSe_
Profile Joined August 2006
United States541 Posts
December 06 2006 10:46 GMT
#353
I dont feel like bringing physics into it but basicly with the amount of force that bad gets it can easily DESTROY a persons skull. It could DESTROY a persons forearm. It could SHATTER an entire hand in one swiing. now lets see what a butterfly knife can do. Hm........ stab you? thats about it. I take the large blunt object anyday.
Its not that Im lazy. Its that I just dont care.
lykk
Profile Joined December 2006
China38 Posts
December 06 2006 10:52 GMT
#354
On December 06 2006 19:44 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2006 18:51 lykk wrote:
On December 06 2006 10:08 Sadist wrote:
On December 06 2006 07:09 lykk wrote:
ok knife vs bat...

there's no need to imagine what happens in this mu, it has happend countless number of times throughout history.

in the STONEAGE ppl used wooden clubs (sometimes with a stone head attached making it a mace) as the main weapon, but when the art of bronze making was discovered, ppl were able to make short bronze swords of approx 1 feet long. all over the world, new armies equipped with the swords dominated armies with the old weapons, and won battle after battle. soon enough every army used swords, and human kind entered the BRONZEAGE.

(note: although called swords, these early bronze weapons were really just long knives, also bronze is quite soft and bends easily, it's far inferior than morden iron/steel/alloy knives.)

so there... no more arguing pls, bat is a much less effective weapon. hitting an moving opponent critically is similar to hitting a sweet shot, imagine your first time playing baseball, was it easy even to hit the ball? and you only get one chance, if you miss it's gg. too many ppl here are influenced by american culture, iconizing the bat as a badass weapon, no one i know in china would choose the bat


thats the dumbest arguement ever, of course a fucking sword is better than a club lol, its basically just a sharp club.

A LITTLE ASS KNIFE vs a Bat though youd be retarded to try to fight. Lol no one in china would choose a baseball bat? Are you retarded? I guarantee you no average punk is robbing me if its just him with a knife and me with my bat already out. Hed die and id get arrested on murder
charges. And contrary to popular belief, not many people even like baseball in america anymore so this has absolutely nothing to do with that, it has to do with common sense. No one in their right mind tries to attack someone who has a baseball bat unless they are some 10 lb skinny geek who cant swing at all. Id take Putter or My wedge vs a knife too, yodu be fucking dead if you got hit with that moreso than a bat


lmao a bronze sword is a sharp club?? do you know why iron age comes after bronze age? because iron is a much better material than bronze. bronze swords are SHORT because any longer they'll bend and break, plus it's edge is not very sharp, it's not very easy to pierce hides with it, still the bronze sword wielding armies raped bigger club wielding ones ALL OVER THE WORLD. you are just imagining what would happen in the mu, it's all trash talk, the experiment has already been carried out. and yes, it was a fight to the death.


you are a fucking moron if you think that some bronze age swords apply to a butterfly knife vs a baseball bat at all.

First of all i dont know how their clubs were but a bat ahs a smaller handle and is top heavy so you get more force when you swing it.

Either you A)are an amazing knife user
B) are collosus
or C) A little skinny nerd with no coordination at all, because if you have ever played baseball and didnts wing like a girl youd be able to kill someoen with a baseball bat


the only moron is the one who gets upset and start calling other morons, and pls don't try so hard explaining how a baseball bat is made and what it looks like. so you think the stonage club was a stick and the bronze sword a katana... fine i'll just knife your guts to shit then
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
December 06 2006 10:54 GMT
#355
a sword and a knife isnt the same thing, and if you think bronze knives/sword apply to a butterfly knife discussion you are retarded.

GO take your jackie chan shit somewhere else
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
December 06 2006 10:57 GMT
#356
On December 06 2006 19:54 Sadist wrote:
a sword and a knife isnt the same thing, and if you think bronze knives/sword apply to a butterfly knife discussion you are retarded.

GO take your jackie chan shit somewhere else

WHOA man. Don't insult Jackie Chan. O_o;
Official Entusman #21
lykk
Profile Joined December 2006
China38 Posts
December 06 2006 11:10 GMT
#357
just so that you know this is what bronze swords looks like
lykk
Profile Joined December 2006
China38 Posts
December 06 2006 11:12 GMT
#358
lol jacky chan didn't live in the stone age... and i'm talking about bronze swords not just any sword -_-!

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Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-06 11:20:27
December 06 2006 11:16 GMT
#359
The people in this thread supporting bat seem to be the people who's posts I tend to read in the forum.

Weird.



NewbSabiot is saying what me and few others have been saying this entire thread and perhaps made better examples. Pick up well built wooden bat and think how you'd ever get near a guy your size wielding it. Seriously. Go to a goddamned sports shop. Even try a aluminum bat, its just as light and stronger.

i hate this thread.
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
ToT)Testie(
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada723 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-06 11:27:35
December 06 2006 11:23 GMT
#360
Jackie chan would win with just a scarf, after all.

You can't take someone down with one swing with a bat unless it connects to their head. It's blunt. You can shatter a bone. But where are you planning on hitting them? It's life or death situation, no ones just gonna curl up because extreme pain wacked them somewhere on the body. Guys in the major leagues have recovery time after they've swung a bat, after all. And their forearms are like tree trunks and they're built to run the second they swing. But you still see them follow through. And it's not about having strength to stop the weight of the bat. It's about having strength to stop the momentum, efficiently and in time.

And once a guy is between your arms, the hell are you going to do with a bat? Hit him on the back of the head at an awkward angle with 1 arm?

The guy with the knife would leave injured, but once you're stabbed twice or more you're very likely going to be a lot worse off from a guy who can then bide his time and retreat until your wounds are too much. Any guy with a knife can be quick and agile. Even a straight and quick lunge with the body is easier & faster to bounce back than with the momentum of swinging a heavy object.

And regardless of how strong you are, do you think you can swing a bat twice by the time someone stabs 3 times?

Kick? As Richard Pryor said, people in life stab awkwardly. You'd probably get your leg cut as he avoids a clumsy kick because you just swung a fucking bat and are already off balance.

Edit: Those that say bat are bad strategically at bw. I'm calling it.
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