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On July 18 2014 01:54 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 01:51 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:48 ahswtini wrote:On July 18 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:45 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:42 Plansix wrote:On July 18 2014 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:37 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:35 ahswtini wrote:
Ukrainian rebels claim it was Ukrainian forces, they deny having such high-tech weaponry.
what a load of shit I'm sure you know exactly what happened because you were there... Can you remind me which of the two parties has been shooting down planes and helicopters for the last few months? Wait, your telling me the rebels don't have a functional airforce? Thats totally weird. I guess that explains why only one side has been shooting down flying stuff. More importantly it explains who shot down this plane. No it doesn't. Ok I guess it was a #conspiracy by Ukraine to shoot down the plane to blame it on the rebels, right? We just don't know, jumping to conclusions does not help. Saying that you know one side is to blame 5 min after the fact is silly. I guess the separatists boasting they had downed a "Ukranian AN-26" are now regretting it
And quickly deleting their posts...
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On July 18 2014 01:57 Antisocialmunky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 01:54 ahswtini wrote:On July 18 2014 01:51 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:48 ahswtini wrote:On July 18 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:45 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:42 Plansix wrote:On July 18 2014 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:37 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:35 ahswtini wrote:
Ukrainian rebels claim it was Ukrainian forces, they deny having such high-tech weaponry.
what a load of shit I'm sure you know exactly what happened because you were there... Can you remind me which of the two parties has been shooting down planes and helicopters for the last few months? Wait, your telling me the rebels don't have a functional airforce? Thats totally weird. I guess that explains why only one side has been shooting down flying stuff. More importantly it explains who shot down this plane. No it doesn't. Ok I guess it was a #conspiracy by Ukraine to shoot down the plane to blame it on the rebels, right? We just don't know, jumping to conclusions does not help. Saying that you know one side is to blame 5 min after the fact is silly. I guess the separatists boasting they had downed a "Ukranian AN-26" are now regretting it And quickly deleting their posts...
To bad people have already recorded them to assure everyone knows. Silly rebels, not understanding the internet.
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On July 18 2014 01:51 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:45 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:42 Plansix wrote:On July 18 2014 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:37 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:35 ahswtini wrote:
Ukrainian rebels claim it was Ukrainian forces, they deny having such high-tech weaponry.
what a load of shit I'm sure you know exactly what happened because you were there... Can you remind me which of the two parties has been shooting down planes and helicopters for the last few months? Wait, your telling me the rebels don't have a functional airforce? Thats totally weird. I guess that explains why only one side has been shooting down flying stuff. More importantly it explains who shot down this plane. No it doesn't. edit: the anti-government forces simply do not have the hardware capable of taking down a plane at that altitude. Didnt they boast having such capabilities? Plus they did report shooting down a plane. And the kiev has no interest shooting at any plane, which can only be their own or russian (which they really have no interest in shooting down).
You mean the same sources people in the last thread said were laughable propaganda?
The Kiev military just got routed and completely collapsed south of Donetsk yesterday. With the tides turning in their favor the last thing they need is a civilian plane being shot down.
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Another crash site image from that news site. Warning: graphic, don't look if you're a lightweight.
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btw BUK system is soviet/russian made so yeah..
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On July 18 2014 01:59 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 01:51 Roggay wrote:On July 18 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:45 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:42 Plansix wrote:On July 18 2014 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:37 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:35 ahswtini wrote:
Ukrainian rebels claim it was Ukrainian forces, they deny having such high-tech weaponry.
what a load of shit I'm sure you know exactly what happened because you were there... Can you remind me which of the two parties has been shooting down planes and helicopters for the last few months? Wait, your telling me the rebels don't have a functional airforce? Thats totally weird. I guess that explains why only one side has been shooting down flying stuff. More importantly it explains who shot down this plane. No it doesn't. edit: the anti-government forces simply do not have the hardware capable of taking down a plane at that altitude. Didnt they boast having such capabilities? Plus they did report shooting down a plane. And the kiev has no interest shooting at any plane, which can only be their own or russian (which they really have no interest in shooting down). You mean the same sources people in the last thread said were laughable propaganda? The Kiev military just got routed and completely collapsed south of Donetsk yesterday. With the tides turning in their favor the last thing they need is a civilian plane being shot down.
Which is likely why they deleted the social media posts soon after the news was released. One thing is for sure, the plane did not fall from the sky for no reason.
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On July 18 2014 01:59 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 01:51 Roggay wrote:On July 18 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:45 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:42 Plansix wrote:On July 18 2014 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:37 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:35 ahswtini wrote:
Ukrainian rebels claim it was Ukrainian forces, they deny having such high-tech weaponry.
what a load of shit I'm sure you know exactly what happened because you were there... Can you remind me which of the two parties has been shooting down planes and helicopters for the last few months? Wait, your telling me the rebels don't have a functional airforce? Thats totally weird. I guess that explains why only one side has been shooting down flying stuff. More importantly it explains who shot down this plane. No it doesn't. edit: the anti-government forces simply do not have the hardware capable of taking down a plane at that altitude. Didnt they boast having such capabilities? Plus they did report shooting down a plane. And the kiev has no interest shooting at any plane, which can only be their own or russian (which they really have no interest in shooting down). You mean the same sources people in the last thread said were laughable propaganda? The Kiev military just got routed and completely collapsed south of Donetsk yesterday. With the tides turning in their favor the last thing they need is a civilian plane being shot down.
Well, who thinks rebels wanted to shot down civilian plane? Rebels though it was ukrainian military plane..
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On July 18 2014 02:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 01:59 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:51 Roggay wrote:On July 18 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:45 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:42 Plansix wrote:On July 18 2014 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:37 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:35 ahswtini wrote:
Ukrainian rebels claim it was Ukrainian forces, they deny having such high-tech weaponry.
what a load of shit I'm sure you know exactly what happened because you were there... Can you remind me which of the two parties has been shooting down planes and helicopters for the last few months? Wait, your telling me the rebels don't have a functional airforce? Thats totally weird. I guess that explains why only one side has been shooting down flying stuff. More importantly it explains who shot down this plane. No it doesn't. edit: the anti-government forces simply do not have the hardware capable of taking down a plane at that altitude. Didnt they boast having such capabilities? Plus they did report shooting down a plane. And the kiev has no interest shooting at any plane, which can only be their own or russian (which they really have no interest in shooting down). You mean the same sources people in the last thread said were laughable propaganda? The Kiev military just got routed and completely collapsed south of Donetsk yesterday. With the tides turning in their favor the last thing they need is a civilian plane being shot down. Which is likely why they deleted the social media posts soon after the news was released. One thing is for sure, the plane did not fall from the sky for no reason.
Exactly, I'm sure there will be an investigation (of course) and people can find out just what hit it, how, etc.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
This is a sensitive topic. Any claims not sufficiently backed by facts (sources) will be moderated. Any post attacking someone else - be it Ukraine, Russia or another user - will be moderated. Let's keep this thread civil.
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On July 18 2014 01:59 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 01:51 Roggay wrote:On July 18 2014 01:46 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:45 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:42 Plansix wrote:On July 18 2014 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:On July 18 2014 01:37 zeo wrote:On July 18 2014 01:35 ahswtini wrote:
Ukrainian rebels claim it was Ukrainian forces, they deny having such high-tech weaponry.
what a load of shit I'm sure you know exactly what happened because you were there... Can you remind me which of the two parties has been shooting down planes and helicopters for the last few months? Wait, your telling me the rebels don't have a functional airforce? Thats totally weird. I guess that explains why only one side has been shooting down flying stuff. More importantly it explains who shot down this plane. No it doesn't. edit: the anti-government forces simply do not have the hardware capable of taking down a plane at that altitude. Didnt they boast having such capabilities? Plus they did report shooting down a plane. And the kiev has no interest shooting at any plane, which can only be their own or russian (which they really have no interest in shooting down). You mean the same sources people in the last thread said were laughable propaganda? The Kiev military just got routed and completely collapsed south of Donetsk yesterday. With the tides turning in their favor the last thing they need is a civilian plane being shot down.
Yea ofc. No one shoots at a civilian airplane volountarily, but they could have mistaken it for an ukrainian plane. After all, they did boast about shooting down a cargo plane.
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oh my god... what a tragedy...
omg those poor people...
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On July 18 2014 02:04 Zealously wrote:
This is a sensitive topic. Any claims not sufficiently backed by facts (sources) will be moderated. Any post attacking someone else - be it Ukraine, Russia or another user - will be moderated. Let's keep this thread civil.
One thing to ask. Ukraine thread is forbidden? No talking about anything other than the plane? What is the mod stance?
Whatever it is put it at the top of the thread (it should be more clear).
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Is there a video of the actual shootdown? Someone PM me it if its too sensitive for this thread
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of course moscow will give us the truth!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 18 2014 02:06 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 02:04 Zealously wrote:
This is a sensitive topic. Any claims not sufficiently backed by facts (sources) will be moderated. Any post attacking someone else - be it Ukraine, Russia or another user - will be moderated. Let's keep this thread civil. One thing to ask. Ukraine thread is forbidden? No talking about anything other than the plane? What is the mod stance? Whatever it is put it at the top of the thread (it should be more clear).
The Ukraine thread was ultimately locked because the discussion could not remain civil no matter how much we tried to steer it in the right direction. Unfortunately, the same rules have to apply here.
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Sounds like a good way to shut a discussion down by being not civil.
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
This is probably the end of Malaysian airlines too
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On July 18 2014 02:12 ahswtini wrote:
This is probably the end of Malaysian airlines too
And why would you think that?
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