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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On July 18 2014 01:42 Plansix wrote: Wait, your telling me the rebels don't have a functional airforce? Thats totally weird. I guess that explains why only one side has been shooting down flying stuff. More importantly it explains who shot down this plane. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On July 18 2014 01:39 Pandemona wrote: And WW3 confirmed. Holy shite, wtf you do that for Ukraine, thats justs totally stupid. Shooting down a plane thinking its Russian basically That tweet is not Ukraine admitting it did it.... The rebels have no functioning air force as far as is known. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On July 18 2014 01:45 Nyxisto wrote: More importantly it explains who shot down this plane. No it doesn't. edit: the anti-government forces simply do not have the hardware capable of taking down a plane at that altitude. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Apparently Strelkov took credit for downing a ``cargo plane'' today. What did they use? | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
Ok I guess it was a #conspiracy by Ukraine to shoot down the plane to blame it on the rebels, right? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45937 Posts
 My thoughts go out to everyone who's died or lost someone. This is almost certainly going to get worse before it gets better x.x | ||
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
![[image loading]](https://pp.vk.me/c616525/v616525687/17daf/SFYAkmqz14c.jpg) RIP. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
Only rebels have shot down planes. Ukraine army haven't. Why? Becoz rebels don't have airforces. How then suddenly ukraine shoots big plane down from 10km height when it flew long time in ukraine airspace? (Plane came from west ukraine) | ||
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Grettin
42400 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 18 2014 01:46 zeo wrote: No it doesn't. edit: the anti-government forces simply do not have the hardware capable of taking down a plane at that altitude. So what about the cargo plane they claim they shot down earlier today? Or was that a different plane? Also, its not out of the question that they "acquired" weapons that are capable of shooting down a plane at that altitude. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Whichever side shot it down will simply deny it. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
Bodies and wreckage found near Grabovo Dozens of bodies and broken pieces of wing with MH17 colors have been found near the town of Grabovo, according to a Reuters correspondent. Dozens of bodies were scattered around the smouldering wreckage of a passenger jet that crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, a Reuters reporter said. An emergency services rescue worker said at least 100 bodies had so far been found at the scene, near the village of Grabovo, and that debris from the wreckage was scattered across an area up to about 15km (nine miles) in diameter. Broken pieces of the wings were marked with blue and red paint – the same colours as the emblem of the Malaysian airline which lost track of a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was carrying almost 300 people. https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/489813136862887936/photo/1 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-crashes-ukraine-live | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On July 18 2014 01:48 ahswtini wrote: Ok I guess it was a #conspiracy by Ukraine to shoot down the plane to blame it on the rebels, right? We just don't know, jumping to conclusions does not help. Saying that you know one side is to blame 5 min after the fact is silly. | ||
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sc2isnotdying
United States200 Posts
On July 18 2014 01:04 Steveling wrote: I don't trust their propaganda. I'll wait for Putin to say something. Because you trust Putin's propaganda? He has a dog in this fight too. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On July 18 2014 01:46 zeo wrote: No it doesn't. edit: the anti-government forces simply do not have the hardware capable of taking down a plane at that altitude. Didnt they boast having such capabilities? Plus they did report shooting down a plane. And the kiev has no interest shooting at any plane, which can only be their own or russian (which they really have no interest in shooting down). | ||
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DarkEnergy
Netherlands542 Posts
On July 18 2014 01:35 fixed_point wrote: It's probably a no-fly zone at lower altitudes, pretty sure no one expects a commercial airliner to get hit 10km in the air. Most likely it was the rebels with the captured SAM system from Ukraine military forces. In order to operate a SA-11 you need special training. Beside that its very likely it had radar support for target acquisition and tracking. Somebody shouted orders into a telephone to make this happen. If only these people checked the aircraft IFF (Identification friend or foe) they could have known. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On July 18 2014 01:51 zeo wrote: We just don't know, jumping to conclusions does not help. Saying that you know one side is to blame 5 min after the fact is silly. I guess the separatists boasting they had downed a "Ukranian AN-26" are now regretting it | ||
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hitthat
Poland2341 Posts
On July 18 2014 01:46 zeo wrote: No it doesn't. edit: the anti-government forces simply do not have the hardware capable of taking down a plane at that altitude. Buks are more than capable of shooting planes at altitude 14000 m, to range of 30 km. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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