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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On July 18 2014 06:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Even more reports of looters especially of belongings from bodies  I wish we could send some intervention force there to secure the site. But probably too much of a risk | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 18 2014 06:44 Ljas wrote: The seps owning Buks isn't exactly news. They've been scrambling to remove all evidence of it, but they were quite vocal about owning the things a couple of weeks ago. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NF6E5FCKFNEJ:https://twitter.com/dnrpress/status/483248037629018112 &cd=13&hl=uk&ct=clnk&gl=ua Its already been discussed in this thread, Kiev officials confirmed that the BUK systems taken by anti-government forces are not operational. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On July 18 2014 06:54 zeo wrote: Its already been discussed in this thread, Kiev officials confirmed that the BUK systems taken by anti-government forces are not operational. And who knows what parts for what equipment they've gotten in those convoys from Russia? Who knows anything really some of the separatists are armed from Russia some from captured Ukrainian armories some with the weapons they've had for years as part of paramilitaries in Chechnya and elsewhere in Russia. The separatists aren't going to be convicted or absolved via this road. | ||
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Nisyax
Netherlands756 Posts
On July 18 2014 06:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: http://youtu.be/j1XSvxCfIuo Those kids passports, damn damn damn......... | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 18 2014 06:21 Random() wrote: Putin's statement: "There is no doubt that the state within the borders of which this has happened is responsible for this horrible tragedy. This would not have happened if there was peace in that region, and if there was not a renewed military operation taking place. I am asking the Russian government to use the resources of its civilian agencies to thoroughly investigate this event. We must do everything possible to produce an unbiased reconstruction of the events and make it available to our people, to the people of Ukraine and the world. Such things are totally unacceptable and everyone must make conclusions, and the objective information must be made available." + Show Spoiler [Source (in Russian)] + http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2014/07/18/n_6319525.shtml That was an audacious spin move. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
At least six British nationals were on board Malaysian flight MH17, which was shot down on Thursday with the expected loss of all 295 passengers and crew on board. The number was revealed by the chief executive of Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport, Jos Nijuis, who said that six British nationals were known to be among the 295 people on board the Boeing 777-200 - although the nationalities of more than 90 people have yet to identified. Philip Hammond, the recently-promoted foreign secretary, said that he believed Britons on board but he did not have detailed information as to who they were or the exact number. Source | ||
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Hazzyboy
Estonia555 Posts
On July 18 2014 06:57 DeepElemBlues wrote: And who knows what parts for what equipment they've gotten in those convoys from Russia? Who knows anything really some of the separatists are armed from Russia some from captured Ukrainian armories some with the weapons they've had for years as part of paramilitaries in Chechnya and elsewhere in Russia. The separatists aren't going to be convicted or absolved via this road. Exactly so why do you speculate? I know for sure that Ukrainian army is far better equipped to take down a plane flying 10 km above the ground. Why? To blame on the civilians they fight against. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:02 Hazzyboy wrote: Exactly so why do you speculate? I know for sure that Ukrainian army is far better equipped to take down a plane flying 10 km above the ground. Why? To blame on the civilians they fight against. Why do you speculate he asks as he speculates. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 18 2014 06:57 DeepElemBlues wrote: And who knows what parts for what equipment they've gotten in those convoys from Russia? Who knows anything really some of the separatists are armed from Russia some from captured Ukrainian armories some with the weapons they've had for years as part of paramilitaries in Chechnya and elsewhere in Russia. The separatists aren't going to be convicted or absolved via this road. Half a billion dollars worth of sophisticated equipment cannot be just repaired like that on the roadside. Its not that simple, you need serious equipment and facilities to get it back to operational. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:02 Hazzyboy wrote: Exactly so why do you speculate? I know for sure that Ukrainian army is far better equipped to take down a plane flying 10 km above the ground. Why? To blame on the civilians they fight against. Good spin, except for the fact that the separatists are the only ones with a recent history of taking down planes. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:06 zeo wrote: Half a billion dollars worth of sophisticated equipment cannot be just repaired like that on the roadside. Its not that simple, you need serious equipment and facilities to get it back to operational. You are literally talking out of your ass. Prove any one of the things you just said. 1. That the equipment used was from the same batch of equipment that the SBU said was disabled 2. That the equipment could not have been repaired in separatist territory 3. That the equipment could not have been repaired in the two and a half week time frame since the rebels acquired it. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:07 Jormundr wrote: Good spin, except for the fact that the separatists are the only ones with a recent history of taking down planes. So why does Kiev have such a large amount of sophisticated anti-air missiles in the area? Where are these rebel planes? | ||
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Hazzyboy
Estonia555 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:07 Jormundr wrote: Good spin, except for the fact that the separatists are the only ones with a recent history of taking down planes. Shot down at an altitude of 11,000 meters "- a formulation that already fell into tops international news. Year 2001 - during the exercise with the peninsula of Crimea Ukrainian military shot down airliner airline" Siberia. "66 passengers and 12 crew members followed from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk. all died. The footage videorekonstruktsii - Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile S-200. Tu-154 is overtaken in the sky over the Black Sea. Plane ripped into several pieces, fragments scattered on the water basin. In such a rocket your, company, handwriting: striking effect of the blast wave is enhanced by small fractions. Fact is Ukraine shot down Russian airline 'Siberia' plane 13 years ago! No one in this thread mentioned this but one of first post was mentioning USSR shutting down Korean plane - pathetic. | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
Because your comment isnt as Despicable.. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:11 zeo wrote: In Russia. So why does Kiev have such a large amount of sophisticated anti-air missiles in the area? Where are these rebel planes? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:11 zeo wrote: So why does Kiev have such a large amount of sophisticated anti-air missiles in the area? Where are these rebel planes? It has anti air weaponry because its in a state of emergency and had the Russian military on the border recently, would be stupid not to have some defences ready just in case the worst happens. | ||
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Tarias
Netherlands480 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:14 Zaros wrote: It has anti air weaponry because its in a state of emergency and had the Russian military on the border recently, would be stupid not to have some defences ready just in case the worst happens. Exactly. There was a time very recently when we thought Russia might invade Ukraine. Those air defenses would have come in quite handy in that situation. | ||
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Hazzyboy
Estonia555 Posts
On July 18 2014 07:11 zeo wrote: So why does Kiev have such a large amount of sophisticated anti-air missiles in the area? Where are these rebel planes? You need only one anti-air vehicle to shoot down a civilian plane. You believe 'nobody' who reported that plane was shot down from the ground? Yet no name of source was mentioned, all they say is 'official' and that means 'nobody'. Ukrainian army doesn't have anti-air system near Russian border - are you kidding me? | ||
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