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In order to maintain some kind of respectable thread quality and to show some respect for those who lost friends in this tragedy, we're forced to enact a hard line policy for this thread. Any posts holding an opinion on who is responsible or making an accusation that is not held by neutral media will be banned. Policy is in effect from page 27 onwards.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 21:40:25
July 17 2014 21:39 GMT
#421
I'm surprised the Dutch Ambassador hasn't raised hell over Russian TV airing photos of dead Dutch citizens and even showing their passport photos.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
July 17 2014 21:40 GMT
#422
On July 18 2014 06:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


Bringing spies huh? 300 of them? Good christ what are these people thinking.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 17 2014 21:41 GMT
#423
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
July 17 2014 21:43 GMT
#424
I normally fucking hate social media, but it seems to come in really handy for finding incriminating evidence when stupid people do stupid things.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 21:44:52
July 17 2014 21:44 GMT
#425
CNN now saying its looking like there weren't any americans on the flight, "breathing a cautious sigh of relief" after officials have taken a glance at the flight passenger list. This may change though.
"Who hired this awful fountain gunner? He can't hit shit." - Yiss
Hazzyboy
Profile Joined January 2012
Estonia555 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 21:47:18
July 17 2014 21:44 GMT
#426
On July 18 2014 06:38 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 06:29 Hazzyboy wrote:
On July 18 2014 06:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Radar and Satellite images could easily detect that I imagine.

Yep NATO has tons of radars and satellites in Eastern Ukraine at the moment and if they keep silent - intelligent people know what happened and they know anyway. All air companies starting to withdraw from using Ukrainian air space.
Can't expect anything less from a president who gave an order to start a civil war...

Factually incorrect. They are still flying through Ukraine, just not anywhere near separatist controlled areas.

Used to avoid Eastern Ukraine air space before TODAY, now Lufthansa, Aeroflot, Transair, Turkish Airlines, Air France has announced they will avoid all of Ukrainian air space from today when flying destination is not Ukraine off-course. Correct decision!
Ljas
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland725 Posts
July 17 2014 21:44 GMT
#427
The seps owning Buks isn't exactly news. They've been scrambling to remove all evidence of it, but they were quite vocal about owning the things a couple of weeks ago.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NF6E5FCKFNEJ:https://twitter.com/dnrpress/status/483248037629018112 &cd=13&hl=uk&ct=clnk&gl=ua
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 17 2014 21:45 GMT
#428
On July 18 2014 06:43 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I normally fucking hate social media, but it seems to come in really handy for finding incriminating evidence when stupid people do stupid things.

It's also a good source of runaway speculation.
You can convince yourself of any opinion if you look at the right sources such as, say, only SBU videos.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 17 2014 21:46 GMT
#429
CNN: US concludes plane was shot down.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Hazzyboy
Profile Joined January 2012
Estonia555 Posts
July 17 2014 21:46 GMT
#430
On July 18 2014 06:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/evromdn/status/489820988730003456

Undeniable evidence - you can even see that this Buk is operated by Putin himself.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
July 17 2014 21:47 GMT
#431
On July 18 2014 06:45 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 06:43 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I normally fucking hate social media, but it seems to come in really handy for finding incriminating evidence when stupid people do stupid things.

It's also a good source of runaway speculation.
You can convince yourself of any opinion if you look at the right sources such as, say, only SBU videos.

Except most sources are pointing at the separatists being involved, with the occasional report that the plane was followed by fighter jets, or that Putin's plane flew that same path earlier (which was denied by the Kremlin)
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 17 2014 21:47 GMT
#432
Even more reports of looters especially of belongings from bodies
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
July 17 2014 21:49 GMT
#433
The looters are disgusting.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
July 17 2014 21:49 GMT
#434
On July 18 2014 06:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Even more reports of looters especially of belongings from bodies


Haven't read about that yet, but that's fucking disgusting. Pisses me off so much..
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
July 17 2014 21:49 GMT
#435
On July 18 2014 06:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Even more reports of looters especially of belongings from bodies


Should be shot on sight imo. Despicable.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
July 17 2014 21:49 GMT
#436
On July 18 2014 06:45 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 06:43 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I normally fucking hate social media, but it seems to come in really handy for finding incriminating evidence when stupid people do stupid things.

It's also a good source of runaway speculation.
You can convince yourself of any opinion if you look at the right sources such as, say, only SBU videos.


They don't mean anything really, just two guys talking in Russian. If the people they are accused to be came out on live television and spoke you could compare but obviously not gonna happen. I'm sure the NSA/CIA have audio recordings of some of these guys to see if there's a match but what would the point be of releasing that information if there was? People who are convinced Russia and the separatists are right will just say it's a fabrication and nothing will change. Radar and satellite data and analysis of the wreckage - if a real analysis is allowed to happen - will solve the mystery if it can be solved. Eastern Ukraine is one of the most heavily satellite-spied-on areas of the earth right now the US and Russia both are surely running a huge amount of images through a computer program to see if anything comes up.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
July 17 2014 21:49 GMT
#437
Dutch embassy in Kiev, apparently.

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"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
July 17 2014 21:49 GMT
#438
On July 18 2014 06:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Even more reports of looters especially of belongings from bodies

When you live in a poor country, I think it's normal to expect looting from the rich. Heck even in Western society, people loot...
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
July 17 2014 21:50 GMT
#439
On July 18 2014 06:45 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 06:43 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I normally fucking hate social media, but it seems to come in really handy for finding incriminating evidence when stupid people do stupid things.

It's also a good source of runaway speculation.
You can convince yourself of any opinion if you look at the right sources such as, say, only SBU videos.



Yeah, I'm avoiding speculating at all. I think its fairly obvious what happened, but throwing shit out there without evidence is a good way to lose credibility and create confusion. If only religions subscribed to this way of thinking, the other headlines about Israel/Iraq wouldn't exist. But that's another story.

Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
July 17 2014 21:52 GMT
#440
On July 18 2014 06:49 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 06:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Even more reports of looters especially of belongings from bodies

When you live in a poor country, I think it's normal to expect looting from the rich. Heck even in Western society, people loot...


It's one thing to loot from a store in the middle of a mob it's another thing to loot from the murdered dead. It's not a poor/rich thing anyway it's war soldiers have always looted from the dead in war and always will. Even in Western countries where their militaries make a real effort to stop it it still happens a lot.
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