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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On July 18 2014 04:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: lol mate, Putin? That's about as bad propaganda. Well, between 2 evils... xD Plus I think the russians/rebels are right in this whole conflict but that's offtopic. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On July 18 2014 04:52 Enzymatic wrote: Russia is calling the separatists their own separate entity, and saying that they aren't supporting, motivating, or promoting their actions in Ukraine. Send some "peacekeepers"/military into Ukraine to eradicate the separatists (whatever nation(s)), Russia shouldn't have any problem with that considering they have nothing to do with it, right? You can't send (UN) peacekeepers into Ukraine , because Russia has Veto power on the UN Security Council | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On July 18 2014 04:42 skaffaNL wrote: Who cares, you guys are rich as hell. These bastards need to get some punishment. I disagree with that very much. Finnish economy is going deeper and deeper into crisis all the time. Russia situation is not helping it at all. | ||
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 18 2014 04:55 Kennigit wrote: You can't send (UN) peacekeepers into Ukraine , because Russia has Veto power on the UN Security Council Which goes back to what Enzymatic said - why would Russia veto if they aren't supporting the separatists? N.B. - I know very little about the conflict as a whole. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On July 18 2014 04:53 Steveling wrote: Well, between 2 evils... xD Plus I think the russians/rebels are right in this whole conflict but that's offtopic. Nah, they're both wrong, violent, unbelievably inane, and full of themselves, with meanwhile the US mostly failing at slapping its "allies" in Europe with its dick to justify our century-long goal to hurt Russia at any opportunity. On July 18 2014 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote: Which goes back to what Enzymatic said - why would Russia veto if they aren't supporting the separatists? N.B. - I know very little about the conflict as a whole. Why does the US directly back Islamic terrorists and support Islamic monarchical dictatorships to the hilt? Same reason. There's something called political and strategic interests. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
- 2 previous Ukrainian planes shot down in the same region in the last week, which the RRs have taken credit for. This proves they have the weaponry to pull something like this off, AND are actively trying to do it in general. - The plane was flying from the West to the East. Therefore it makes sense that the RRs would think it was a Ukrainian plane. It makes no sense for Ukraine to shoot down a plane that has already flown over 80% of their country up to that point.. - The social media postings from RRs in this thread, which were all taken down after the fact ofc, are damning. - CNN reported that her "source" was telling her that American intelligence picked up discussions between RRs that they had shot down a plane followed by concern that it may have been a passenger plane. There goes the optics, or at least what were left of them, for Russia and the separatists. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i mean, korea could have been what ukraine is, speaking japanese and shit. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 18 2014 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote: Enzmatic was being sarcastic. Russia is supporting, arming and providing volunteers for the terrorists. Which goes back to what Enzymatic said - why would Russia veto if they aren't supporting the separatists? N.B. - I know very little about the conflict as a whole. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On July 18 2014 05:01 Kennigit wrote: Question: Do you think the SBU is good enough to intercept Russian radio traffic by themselves, or do you think they had help (Western). Give me your uninformed gut feelings and lets talk about it friends. Who's sbu? The rebels? | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On July 18 2014 05:01 Kennigit wrote: Question: Do you think the SBU is good enough to intercept Russian radio traffic by themselves, or do you think they had help (Western). Give me your uninformed gut feelings and lets talk about it friends. No. I think they have had Western help for a while. | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
Ukraine Secret Service | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 18 2014 05:01 Kennigit wrote: Question: Do you think the SBU is good enough to intercept Russian radio traffic by themselves, or do you think they had help (Western). Give me your uninformed gut feelings and lets talk about it friends. If I was a Western intelligence agency I wouldnt trust the SBU, its infiltrated with Russians and has been over-staffed with personnel loyal to Yanukovich personally | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 18 2014 05:03 Sub40APM wrote: Enzmatic was being sarcastic. Russia is supporting, arming and providing volunteers for the terrorists. I know he was being sarcastic - Russia has claimed not to be supporting them. Which, if that were true, they wouldn't care if the separatists were dealt with from outside sources. But, as Kennigit said, Russia would veto, suggesting they do have vested interest. It was more of a "I don't know much about the situation, is there a reason that Russia would veto other than the (fairly obvious) fact that they are supporting the separatists?" | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On July 18 2014 05:00 jinorazi wrote: isnt russia/rebel been wrong since the soviet times when they "converted" ukraine (along with other nations in the area)? i mean, korea could have been what ukraine is, speaking japanese and shit. I don't precisely understand what you're trying to say, but there always was a Ukraine. It was just part of the Soviet Union as Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (that goes for the other ex-Soviet republics as well). It's just that there's also been a large Russian-speaking minority in Ukraine. As for why people are talking about Russians being the insurgents (I assume this is part of what you're asking), some (but nothing close to all and some would fantastically claim) of the insurgents are Russian good-for-nothings, Chechens, and apparently even wanted criminals, actually from Russia who literally have nothing better to do than go to Ukraine and make matters worse. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 18 2014 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote: Which goes back to what Enzymatic said - why would Russia veto if they aren't supporting the separatists? N.B. - I know very little about the conflict as a whole. Because they are saying they don't support the separatists publicly, while totally supporting the separatists. People don't end up with that many identical assault rifles without a little help. | ||
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